Proof Saddam was not captured in December!

[Mobius]

Saddam COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CAPTURED DEC 15! The Arab community is laughing at the US!
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/printer_4125.shtml

"Iranians are laughing about it. In the orchard around Saddam's hideout, the dates are on the trees!. Everyone in Iran knows that dates are harvested in the hottest part of August. The dates on the trees and the color of the trees tell us the photos of Saddam's hideout were taken in summer. This is late autumn".
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ATW312A.html
The pictures distributed by the Americans about Saddam's hideout show a palm tree behind the soldier who uncovered the hole where Saddam was hiding. The palm tree carried a cluster of pre-ripened yellow dates, which might suggest that Saddam was arrested at least three months earlier, because dates ripen in the summer months when they turn into their natural black or brown color."

The byline of the photo is:
U.S. soldiers demonstrate access to the spider hole used by Saddam Hussein before he was captured last Saturday, on a farm near Tikrit. (AP), December 15, 2003

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_spiderhole.htm

If you have viewed the documentary we talked about in December (see The Whole Truth About the Iraq War <../archive/dec4/uncover.htm>), you already know that this Administration has lied to us over and over again in order to pursue its own agenda. Now here's proof positive that George Bush wants us to believe that they found that spider hole and captured Saddam Hussein on the 15th of December — when it's just absolutely not possible that it could have happened that way.

Also, it should be noted that two different wire service photographers shot these "dated" pictures... It's interesting to imagine what it must be like to work for the press in these times.

[Mobius]

1. Saddam was not captured in December hello????

No one cares, or what?

[drdigi420]

2. hmmmmmmmmm

[Mobius]

3. kicking my own thread, how sad

:kick:

[Catherine Vincent]

6. There were several threads on this already, so you're kinda

late with this. But if the media won't report on it, what are we to do?

[jean]

4. This should be amplified nationally sometime soon to help prep

the populace for an Osama in October event.

So much of what is mocked as being tin foil fodder is actually the truth.

Does anyone have ideas for getting this out to the average citizen? I know the pictures have been posted on various blogs and other sites, but how can we push the story onto that kitchen table where all our folks can look at it?

Another 30 second television ad would be effective - plus if adults don't see it their kids might - my kids have brought many issues up after seeing tv ads.

[Brotherjohn]

5. This should be easy to prove, or disprove, if any media were given...

... access to the property just after the Saddam capture was announced, and if they took their own pictures.

A comparison of the pictures should show if the vegetation is significantly different.

[Bandit]

7. Saddam who??

:shrug: You think anyone cares? Hey we got Hitler(Saddam) and that is all that matters. Now we are all safe again... oh what's that..Terror alert just raised to orange. :shrug: "Hey, hey, What's that sound, everyone look what's going down. There's a man with a gun over there..telling me I got to be aware."

[beyurslf]

8. Any pics of what the vegetation should look like now?

[HootieMcBoob]

9. yup

I've heard Randi Rhodes say similar stuff. You can't trust a damn thing these bastards say. I wouldn't put anything at all past them. Wonder if we'll have an October surprise. Maybe that's why * is so sure he'll be elected. Osama and the rigged voting machines. God help us all.

[alfredo]

10. I thought that, but some are saying that if date trees are not

cared for, the dates will stay on the trees much later and ripening will be delayed.

It is correct that harvest is in Aug and early September. We need to research this to see if the above story is true. The truth serves us better in the end.

We need to know the difference between tended and untended date trees, and what effect it has on ripening season.

[einniv]

11. Only harvested in the summer IF they are manual polinated

by the farmers.
There were many such trees in Iraq at the time.
I'm searching for my source for that and will edit this to post it if I find it.

[Brotherjohn]

12. I don't know, having looked at one of the links above, it's possible...

... that the dates just hadn't ripened due to lack of fertilization due to the war. It's included in one of the posts

As a biologist, I know that as conditions vary, these kinds of processes can also vary tremendously. This kind of "evidence" hardly amounts to "proof".

[ArkDem]

13. Outrage!

What does the General have to say about this?

[ArkDem]

14. Outrage!

What does the General have to say about this?

[Brotherjohn]

15. I don't know, having looked at one of the links above, it's possible...

...that the dates just hadn't ripened due to lack of fertilization due to the war. It's included in one of the links, and apparently, the dates would not have ripened if this (apparently intensive) process were not done.

As a biologist, I know that as conditions vary, these kinds of processes can also vary tremendously (even without human input). This kind of "evidence" hardly amounts to "proof".

[einniv]

18. Ah yes.

It is in one of the links he posted. Funny how he doesn't metion the dissenting view in his post.
Scratch what I said below no need to track it down it is in the link to "global research"

[Mobius]

19. I am a she

And that lack of pollination story really isnt relevant, the foliage on the trees is summer foliage as is the rest of the vegetation. Also in December, it is COLD in Iraq. That is not Decemer foliage.

[einniv]

21. What summer foilage?

The zoomed out shot and the shot with dates are showing fall foilage. Reds and browns.
Edit: and now that I look closly even the "tree line" shot (first pic) is showing the same fall foilage in the background ... behind the first row of trees.

[einniv]

16. They ripen in summer only if they are manually polinated

by the farmers.
There were many such trees in Iraq at the time.
I'm searching for my source for that and will edit this to post it if I find it.

[Brotherjohn]

17. I don't know, having looked at one of the links above, it's possible...

...that the dates just hadn't ripened due to lack of fertilization due to the war. It's included in one of the links, and apparently, the dates would not have ripened if this (apparently intensive) process were not done.

As a biologist, I know that as conditions vary, these kinds of processes can also vary tremendously (even without human input). This kind of "evidence" hardly amounts to "proof".

[Mobius]

20. Screw the dates, thats NOT summer foliage on any of the vegetation.

ugh