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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:48 AM
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CSPAN Tuesday AM — Grover Norquist
I am for limited government and limited spending.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:49 AM
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1. I'm for limited
Grover.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:51 AM
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2. I'm for limited Bullshit!
Gag Him! Before he gags us all! :puke: He'd puff one the Clydesdales couldn't pull for a dollar!
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:55 AM
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3. Read more about this truly scary
behind-the-scenes player:

Sowing the Seeds of GOP Domination
Conservative Norquist Cultivates Grass Roots Beyond the Beltway
Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A8423-2004Jan11¬Found=true

Grover Norquist: 'Field Marshal' of the Bush Plan
The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20010514&s=dreyfuss

Grover Norquist: At It Again?
American Politics Journal
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20021209Koop.html
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:09 AM
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8. him and one of his buddies
tried a major scam here,as far as i know it didn`t work. the federal government said no. if i remember grover`s bullshit didn`t go over very well with alot of republicans in il. hell, my state rep said he was a democrat but he knew he couldn`t get elected as one so he became a republican...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:24 AM
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14. Mother Jones covers him too!....
"The Soul of The New Machine"

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_402.html

<snip>

<Norquist calls it the "Leave-Us-Alone Coalition," a grouping of gun owners, the Christian right, homeschoolers, libertarians, and business leaders that he has almost single-handedly managed to unite. The common vision: an America in which the rich will be taxed at the same rates as the poor, where capital is freed from government constraints, where government services are turned over to the free market, where the minimum wage is repealed, unions are made irrelevant, and law-abiding citizens can pack handguns in every state and town. "My ideal citizen is the self-employed, homeschooling, IRA-owning guy with a concealed-carry permit," says Norquist. "Because that person doesn't need the goddamn government for anything."

Few in American politics are as blunt about their plans. "If the American people really want to know what George W. Bush is up to, the best place to look is the candor of Grover Norquist," says Ralph G. Neas, president of People for the American Way. Norquist is not above equating tax collection with a street mugging, or suggesting that arguments for higher taxes on rich people echo the ones Nazis used to justify their targeting of Jews. "Bipartisanship is another name for date rape," he told a reporter in May, borrowing a phrase from former House Majority Leader Dick Armey. He likes to say he wants to shrink the size of government in half over the next 25 years "to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.">

OMG this man creeps me out!







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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:01 AM
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4. THAT'S Grover Norquist?
That guy is a weenie!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:06 AM
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5. He's a very influential weenie
Karl Rove lives in fear of offending Grover and his many powerful anti-tax pledge taking constituents.


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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:06 AM
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6. The guy is a friggin anarchist
He wants to make government small enough so he can drown it in a bath tub? What kind of society will we have once these maniacs trash all of our institutions?
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:21 AM
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19. No he is not an anarchist
He's a crunchy libertarian willing to cede democratic power, the express will of the people, to brute force.

Where the law of the majority ceases to be acknowledged, there government ends; the law of the strongest takes its place, and life and property are his who can take them.
---Thomas Jefferson to Annapolis Citizens, 1809



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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:08 AM
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7. WTF is up with GN tie?
why is he fixated on this question?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:12 AM
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9. Somebody complimented
the host on his tie and Grover is jealous. I think it's his lame attempt at humor.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:13 AM
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10. A caller commented that they liked the moderator's tie
:shrug:
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:15 AM
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11. So, if we have to get rid of unions because of some abuses...
...we have to get rid of capitalism because of Enron.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:21 AM
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12. I "loved" his spinning on that question
Don't ever try to apply logic to their talking points.

Employees are VICTIMS of their unions. :eyes: I would much rather trust my fate to a union than to corporate exploiters.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:23 AM
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13. Why isn't this guy in jail?
Aren't there proven ties between him and terrorist groups?
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:25 AM
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15. Good question
Why don't you call him and ask?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:00 AM
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16. "Field Marshall of the Bush Plan", enabler of Wahabbis in the US.
is how the Nation magazine labeled him.




Sure enough, there is a connection TO BUSH AND THE WHITE HOUSE.

Wahhabis in the Old Dominion
What the federal raids in Northern Virginia uncovered.

Weekly Standard
by Stephen Schwartz
04/08/2002, Volume 007, Issue 29
<snip>
......Reaction to the raids suggests the Feds inflicted serious injury on the Wahhabi lobby, the Saudi-backed extremist network that largely controls Islam in America. Officials of the targeted groups as well as their non-Muslim apologists--notably GOP operative Grover Norquist, the chief enabler of Islamic extremists seeking access to the White House--have condemned the raids as civil rights violations. ..........

The keystone of the Saudi-sponsored Northern Virginia network is the Saar Foundation, created by Suleiman Abdul Al-Aziz al-Rajhi, a scion of one of the richest Saudi families. The Saar Foundation is connected to Al-Taqwa, a shell company formerly based in Switzerland, where its leading figures included a notorious neo-Nazi and Islamist, Ahmed Huber. Subsequently moved to the United States, Al-Taqwa was shut down after September 11 and its assets frozen by U.S. presidential order. But operations continued, as the Wahhabi lobby shifted to its backup institutions here.
Saar has also been linked to Khalid bin Mahfouz, former lead financial adviser to the Saudi royal family and ex-head of the National Commercial Bank of Saudi Arabia. Mahfouz has been named by French intelligence as a backer of Osama bin Laden; Mahfouz endowed the Muwafaq Foundation, which U.S. authorities confirm was an arm of bin Laden's terror organization. Muwafaq's former chief, Yassin al-Qadi, oversaw the financial penetration of Bosnia-Herzegovina and Albania by Wahhabi terrorists in the late 1990s.


more: <http://terrorism.reallybites.com/article16.htm>
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:09 AM
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17. yes
He has gotten terrorist leaders in to the White House to see Shrub... not sure if it was Hamas or not. I'd have to dig it up, but Grover bragged that the Islamic vote won Shrub the election last time around.

(Gee, and people got upset over Linda Bloodworth Thomason at the Clinton White House...)
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:14 AM
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18. Please dig that up
and post it. We need even more ammunition against this guy.
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