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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:07 AM
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MTP Interview: Lies are Evident once you know *'s "device"
I worked as a bill collector for over eight years. This is mostly phone work, so you get so that you can detect nuances in people's voices, after a while, that alert you to the fact that they are lying. Because of this experience, I cannot tell if someone is lying to my face, but if I speak to them on the phone, and they tell me a whopper, I know it right off the bat. And, usually, when someone uses a particular ploy, to cover up their lie, like raising their voice, or stuttering, or changing the subject, when you get to a sensitive area, they use that particular device on a consistent basis, to divert attention from the lie.

The point of all of this is that I listened to our pResident, in a recording that was made of him explaining where he was on the morning of 911, and I detected his "device" for diverting attention from the sensitive area. Our pResident uses the device of changing the subject; and he does it pretty consistently.

I want to point out to you evidence of at least some of the lies in the transcript of the Meet the Press interview Tim Russert had with him yesterday. I will mark with asterisks the passages where he changes the subject:

Russert: Mr. President, this campaign is fully engaged. The chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Terence McAuliffe, said this last week: "I look forward to that debate when John Kerry, a war hero with a chest full of medals, is standing next to George Bush, a man who was AWOL in the Alabama National Guard. He didn't show up when he should have showed up."

pResident Bush: Yeah.

Russert: How do you respond?

pResident Bush: Political season is here. I was I served in the National Guard. I flew F 102 aircraft. I got an honorable discharge. I've heard this I've heard this ever since I started running for office. I I put in my time, proudly so.

***I would be careful to not denigrate the Guard. It's fine to go after me, which I expect the other side will do. I wouldn't denigrate service to the Guard, though, and the reason I wouldn't, is because there are a lot of really fine people who served in the National Guard and who are serving in the National Guard today in Iraq.***

>snip<

He is CHANGING THE SUBJECT from whether he actually served to "people denigrating National Guard service." Note that no one said a word about whether the National Guard was good enough or not, during the Vietnam era, but Bush brings it up, to divert attention from the question of whether he served or not.

>snip<

Russert: The Boston Globe and the Associated Press have gone through some of their records and said there’s no evidence that you reported to duty in Alabama during the summer and fall of 1972.

pResident Bush: Yeah, they re they're just wrong. There may be no evidence, but I did report; otherwise, I wouldn't have been honorably discharged. In other words, you don't just say "I did something" without there being verification. Military doesn't work that way. I got an honorable discharge, and I did show up in Alabama.

Russert: You did were allowed to leave eight months before your term expired. Was there a reason?

pResident Bush: Right. Well, I was going to Harvard Business School and worked it out with the military.

Russert: When allegations were made about John McCain or Wesley Clark on their military records, they opened up their entire files. Would you agree to do that?

pResident Bush: Yeah. Listen, these files I mean, people have been looking for these files for a long period of time, trust me, and starting in the 1994 campaign for governor. And I can assure you in the year 2000 people were looking for those files as well. *** Probably you were. *** And absolutely. I mean, I

>snip<

Here we go again--same tactic--Bush is changing the subject from whether he served or not to whether Meet the Press was looking for his records in 2000 or not.

>snip<

Russert: But would you allow pay stubs, tax records, anything to show that you were serving during that period?

pResident Bush: Yeah. If we still have them, but I you know, the records are kept in Colorado, as I understand, and they scoured the records.

And I'm just telling you, I did my duty, and it's politics, you know, to kind of ascribe all kinds of motives to me. But I have been through it before. I'm used to it. *** What I don't like is when people say serving in the Guard is is may not be a true service.***

>snip<

And again, Bush changes the subject, from whether he served or not to "people say serving in the Guard is not true service." And all the stuttering! Obvious lie.

>snip<

Russert: Would you authorize the release of everything to settle this?

pResident Bush: Yes, absolutely.

***We did so in 2000, by the way.***

Russert: Were you favor of the war in Vietnam?

pResident Bush: I supported my government. I did. And would have gone had my unit been called up, by the way.

Russert: But you didn't volunteer or enlist to go.

pResident Bush: No, I didn't. You're right. I served. I flew fighters and enjoyed it, and we provided a service to our country. ***In those days we had what was called "Air Defense Command," and it was part of the air defense command system.***

***The thing about the Vietnam War that troubles me as I look back was it was a political war. We had politicians making military decisions, and it is lessons that any president must learn, and that is to the set the goal and the objective and allow the military to come up with the plans to achieve that objective. And those are essential lessons to be learned from the Vietnam War.***

>snip<

This time, he changes the subject from his not volunteering for service in Vietnam to the Air Defense Command being part of the air defense command system (how inane) and from it being a political war and the "essential lessons" to be learned from the Vietnam War.

This man is not only a liar, he is a very BAD liar, as well.

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:29 AM
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1. Very Astute Melanie
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:33 AM
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2. Aside from the voice clues...
...there was also the constant head-shaking.

I'd also put good money on the idea he was looking at cue cards or a teleprompter.

Either that, or he was lusting after a crew member's shoes. Constantly.
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