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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:36 PM
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WP: DOD is requesting Bush's Records from CO Nat. Guard
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26843-2004Feb9.html

Defense Dept. Seeks Bush's Guard File

By Lois Romano
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 10, 2004; Page A07

The Defense Department has requested that President Bush's payroll records from his service in the National Guard be sent to Washington from a DOD archive in Colorado, to ascertain whether they can be released to news organizations and public interest groups that have formally requested them in recent days, according to DOD officials.
<snip>
Officials said yesterday that the DOD in Washington would review the master copy of Bush's payroll records, which have been storied on microfiche for 30 years at the Defense Finance and Accounting Service in Denver.
<snip>

Nice... It's finally getting real attention!


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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:37 PM
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1. Appears that somebody over at the DOD has a grudge....
...good....
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:38 PM
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2. A little scrub here and a little scrub there...
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:38 PM
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3. ... afterwards have been ascertained to be released.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 04:41 AM
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15. song stuck in my head
I keep hearing a song from the Wizard of Oz....

"...scrub scrub here...scrub scrub there...and a couple of lah-dee-dahs..that's how we pass the time away in the merry old land of bush*..."

meanwhile...pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, and if you do, then I'll get you my pretty
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:43 PM
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4. Ooops!
We're sorry...Mr. Bush's records were accidentally destroyed by fire.

Where's his DD214 (or whatever it is)? Tonight on Hardball, one of the guests (Max Cleland, I think) stated that every veteran discharged gets one of these. It details everything in terms of service, disciplinary actions, etc. Is that true about the form?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:53 PM
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8. Yes the DD 214 is a summary of the service
record, at least the high points, including commendations, campaign ribbons and major events in a career.

It also states the type of discharge.

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Torgo4 Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:05 AM
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19. DD 214--For ACTIVE Duty
Max was full time active duty, so he doesn't know the peculiarities of National Guard docs.

All service members receive a DD 214 for their initial Basic and Advanced Training, probably because that's usually on Uncle Sam's dime.
Bush should have one for when he was discharged enlisted and got comissioned (which Daddy bought for him)!

I doubt he wold have gotten one for his Officer time since it wasn't Federally Active service (e.g. Vietnam, Desert Storm).

Still, good to see the hellfire that was curiously missing 4 years ago!!


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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:44 PM
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5. Wouldn't you think someone would have come forth and said "I was with him"
during the time in question, if it was true?....It seems very strange to me that NOBODY has claimed to have been serving with him at that time....:shrug:
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:45 PM
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6. Not the originals, I hope!
Because, doncha know, there's a black hole in Washington that sucks in any information that might be slightly unflattering to bush*
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PeanutOne Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:46 AM
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12.  "...the DOD in Washington would review the master copy ..."
After all, what good would it do for them to alter or destroy a copy?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:51 PM
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7. Well, well
the statue of limitations is non existent and technically the boy IS in the army again... as the CiC, not that JAG would press charges, but those veterans and active duty will know what them words mean
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:02 AM
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10. I am sure that
the WH has some major forgers on their payroll. We know they have hitmen.
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Torgo4 Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:06 AM
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20. Ahhh...But What about his Microfiche?
At National Personnel Records Center?

No way to scrub that! Only copies are distributed.
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freestatevet Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:31 AM
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16. Technically he's NOT in the army
or the military, as I'm sure you meant to say. He's a civilian.
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theorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:00 AM
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9. YES! Finally!
And to think that J. H. Hatfield was killed (i.e. "suicided") over the cocaine charges. This has been a long time coming, and I don't think it has anything to do with grudges. It has everything to do with the DOD wanting to determine if there is any evidence that may bring credence to Bush's story. (They do work for him, you know.) The fact of the matter is that there is no such evidence.

If they find something, say paperwork reprimanding the good private lieutenant for absenses, they will be forced to release it to the press!
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:29 AM
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11. I won't hold my breath
waiting for anything that will discredit Bush.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:48 AM
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13. kick
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:58 AM
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14. wheeeeeeeeeeeeee !
:D
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:50 AM
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17. I thought...
.... that the very fact he had been assigned to the CO unit was proof of a problem. My understanding is that that unit was solely for placing officers who were disciplinary problems.

Does anyone have more info about that?
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freestatevet Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:58 AM
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18. It's still all muddy, but become clearer
BTW, the ARF is not for "solely...officers who were disciplinary problems." It was for Guard members who did not meet their Guard requirements (among others) who were now placed in a segment of the Reserves (ARF) who were more likely to be called up for active duty.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:40 PM
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21. Its like a dead letter box.

:)

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