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carrowsboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:41 PM
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Crazy repug wrote to paper about me...AGAIN
...he is becoming obsessed with me, lol
Should I respond?

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10939075&BRD=2271&PAG=461&dept_id=462943&rfi=6

No one values life like Americans

To the editor:


Over the past month Mr. Brandon Harlow has criticized the United States for more things than there is space enough to recount here. This country seems to be able to do nothing right or good in Mr. Harlow's eyes.


Now comes perhaps the most regrettable of all.


On Jan. 24, Mr. Harlow had a letter printed that tried to make the argument that people who oppose abortion also have no problem with the murder of Afghan and Iraqi children as long as they could be considered "collateral damage." This is a direct connection to America's military involvement in these two countries.


After my revulsion subsided I had several thoughts. First, I would have thought a man who holds himself in such high intellectual esteem would realize that his basic premise is wrong from the get-go. I am sure there have been civilian deaths in both of these countries that everyone regrets. The problem is they were killed, not murdered. The difference is that murder is illegal; killing, in this case, is not. Mr. Harlow should know the difference, but more likely he wanted the United States to look as bad and as culpable as possible.


For some reason Mr. Harlow takes great pleasure in sharing his outrage against America for everything including his assertion of our not being concerned about innocent, human, collateral damage in our fight against terrorism. I find this disgusting.


Where was his outrage when the Twin Towers fell, taking 3,000 innocent Americans with them? Where was his outrage the first time the Twin Towers were bombed? Where was his outrage when our jets were blown out of the sky? Where was his outrage when our embassies were bombed? Where was his outrage when our ships were attacked? Apparently "collateral damage" is acceptable as long as it is American collateral damage.


The decent amongst us regret the loss of any life, but occasionally it may be necessary to take a hard, honest look at each situation. Most people, including the Afghans, believe they are much better off without the Taliban in control.


The fact is that even with the collateral damage, there are more Afghans alive today than there would have been without American intervention. The same is true in Iraq. This war has cost many lives (over 500 Americans) including some civilians. Now, I'm sure Mr. Harlow finds Saddam Hussein a fine, misunderstood gentleman, but the truth is, had we not intervened and shut down the torture rooms, the rape warehouses and the wholesale killing of his own people there would be fewer Iraqis alive today than had we not gone to Iraq and put an end to his regime, including unfortunately taking some civilian lives. These things have all been proven out as we have located the mass graves. Let's not forget that Hussein at least at one time, had weapons of mass destruction. He used them on his country's neighbors and on his own people. Even Bill Clinton agrees with this.


I took my two teenage children to see the movie "Tears In The Sun." I wanted them to see two things.


First, I wanted them to see how talented and well trained the group of Navy Seals in the movie were. Secondly, I wanted them to see how this group of Americans continued to try to do the "right thing" even as their company was being decimated by the enemy.


The movie was fiction, but I believe the attributes of this group of men aptly depict the skills and frame of mind of those in our military. We make mistakes. We have made some huge mistakes. But I think that is exactly what they are... mistakes.


I believe this country, more than any other that has ever existed, tries to do the right thing.


America has stood in the breach for countries all over the world. How many countries in the world can you name that have not received help from America? Whether we came to their aid militarily, economically or in the case of disaster, we always show up for the fight. And we are usually the first one there. Try to think of the last time we asked for help, but don't spend too much time on this; we give help, we don't ask for it.


To suggest that our military has no concerns for the civilian children in countries where we have fought is a slap in the face of every man and woman who has ever worn this country's uniform and it is a slap in the face of every family that has lost a loved one - over one million who have been killed in combat. From Lexington to Concord to Petersburg to the Argonne Forrest to Normandy and Midway to Pusan to Da Nang to Kuwait to Kabul and Baghdad. Our soldiers have fought valiantly and with honor... and with a set of rules. They are called the rules of engagement.


One of the priorities when engaging the enemy is what steps are necessary to protect civilians. No country takes this responsibility more seriously than the United States. During every conflict American lives are lost because of the importance attached to the protection of civilians. To suggest this country or any group within it have no concern for the lives of children, any group of children, is reprehensible and anyone who publicly offers such an opinion should be ashamed.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:44 PM
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1. Wow! You've picked up some well-known haters!
Ted Nugent hates you! What did you do to earn that?
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carrowsboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:49 PM
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2. murder = bad, killing = ok
Can someone explain this to me?
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:43 AM
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15. Sure I can explain...
I'm a misogynistic, egomaniac, loser, has-been , jerk with weapons; my name is Ted Nugent and I totally suck. I hate everything civilized and noble in humanity and embrace a Neanderthal-like kill or be killed mentality that would mean the end of all life on this planet if everyone thought like me. So Look at me! I'm Ted Nugent! A Has-Been, Loser JERK!
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:24 PM
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21. and not even a very good guitar player
ive worked with countless guitarists in the studio that play rings around redneck ted
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:52 PM
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3. Murder is illegal while killing is not
Ahhh the last I heard abortion was still legal.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:52 PM
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4. Either way, they are dead...


Killed by military action or murdered by military action, either way, they are dead. And dead at our hands.

Tell that to Mr. Nugent...

On the other hand, people who can split hairs so finely really are not going to understand that either.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:57 PM
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5. Call the cops and get it on record that he is "stalking" you
Who knows?? Maybe someday he and his buddies might "find" you.. The guy sounds like he is obsessed with you :(
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:59 PM
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6. Or.. go see the newspaper editor and see about getting a column
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 07:00 PM by SoCalDem
for the two of you ..

From the left..From the Right..

Make a job for yourself :).. You could pitch it this way..

Have the editor name the topic and you and your buddy could each write say 500 words and the paper could run it :) It sounds like you two are "regulars" anyway:)
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carrowsboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 07:00 PM
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7. defamation of character?
Could I sure him for SLANDER (how ironic!)?
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Jane Roe Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:09 PM
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19. Has he said anything untrue in his letter?
On a quick reading, this seems more like a (stark) difference of political policy opinions, rather than a situation where lies are being told about you. If there are lies about you in the letter, then what are the lies about you?

I have already spotted the lies regarding the US armed forces in the letter on my own, but that don't help your proposed slander suit.

Do you really have a problem with the US (and Canadian) military intervention (ie, war) in Afghanistan?

I don't, but I am open to be convinced otherwise.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 07:08 PM
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10. His career must be so over.. He seems to have a lot of time on his hands
:)
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 07:04 PM
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8. Ted Nugent is a Psycho Gun Nut
crazy, blood thirsty, Bambi killing, 3rd rate lameass ex rock has-been.


You are so lucky! I wish he hated me.

Blessings to you
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:12 PM
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12. And he is also a Chickenhawk n/t
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 07:05 PM
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9. Hell yes, you should respond! Some good lines for you...
"I find it so very amusing that Bush Loyalists, seeming following directives from their leadership, seem to cling to Bill Clitnon as an excuse for swallowing a lie because he swallowed the same one from the same people. I find it the ultimate vindication to see Bush Loyalists taking refuge behind Bill Cinton's shadow while reviling him out of the other sides of their mouths."

"Mr. Nugent seems to think reciting names of honored battlefields will somehow erase the shameful conduct of the Bush Administration and what they have done to our brave soldiers by sending them to war on a lie. It cannot. And reciting names cannot bring back the dead who died for a lie."

"It is not me but the Bush Adminitsration who had brought shame to this nation, who has squandered our credibility both at home and abroad, said one thing and done the exact opposite so many times that all we would need is the Gulags to finish morphing into the Soviet Union. After all we have the Party-Loyal Sub-Media and Pravda."

"Mr. Nugent has quite a nerve to ask me "where's the outrage" over the 9/11 deaths. Where is HIS outrage for the 531 dead soldiers and the thousands of wounded and maimed brave American soldiers who died for a lie?"

"Mr. Nugent should remember that the United States of America was born of dissent, and that if his "love it or leave it" attitude had prevailed among the Colonists, he would be speaking with a Cockney accent today."

"Thank God Mr. Nugent's narrow-minded shortsighted sentiments weren't shared by our Founding Fathers."

Now go kick this guy's ass and PM me when it gets printed!
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 09:59 PM
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11. Great stuff Tom
I love Thomas Paine.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:59 AM
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16. You write really well, Tom Paine....
But, I would leave Mr. Nugent out of the letter and just generally direct my letter to the ideas embodied in his.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:13 PM
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13. Um, I always thought that killing and murder
were the same thing?? What a cop out!

It reminds me of the scene in Monty Python's meaning of life when they were fighting the Zulu War, and Eric Idle, barely alive, says "If I kill someone one at home they throw me in prison, but I kill someone here and they give me an f**ing medal" (paraphrase). Really, what's the difference??

Justification, that's all. It depends on who is doing the justification.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:17 PM
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14. ah, so it is: killed corpses feel better than murdered ones.
intent over incident triumphs sentitment.
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Michael Harrington Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 04:00 AM
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17. Would've thought Nuge liked the Taliban.
Similar attitudes towards women and all...

Guess the dumb bastard didn't die after he attacked himself with the chainsaw, huh? Drat.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:12 AM
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18. He thinks taking his children to a Hollywood movie
is somehow educational about how the military operates. That's your problem right there - this guy thinks that movies are reality.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:21 PM
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20. "Where was his outrage when the Twin Towers fell..."?!?!
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 12:21 PM by skypilot
This guy is obviously a fan of Ann Coulter. There is a particularly nasty breed of rightwingnut that for some reason assumes that liberals let out a collective yawn on Sept.11. I didn't read his entire rant because I got to that part and just sort of tuned out. Life's too short.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:26 PM
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22. Oh yeah
You should reply. Make it clear that you support the troops. Go into the fact that Iraq was a war of choice and could've been done much better/safer were it not for the Bushistas.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:45 PM
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23. A Howard Zinn article that might give you some ideas...
In response to Robert Kagan's book OF PARADISE AND POWER, Howard Zinn made the following comments...

Kagan must think that his readers either know no history or have historical amnesia.
In the long history of U.S. national expansion, where is the dedication to "morality
and justice"? What of the long and savage set of wars against the Indians to move
into their lands? What of the act of aggression against the Mexicans to take half of
their territory? What of the Spanish-American War, in which the U.S. used the
excuse of regime change (ending Spanish tyranny) to establish its fifty-year control
of Cuba? What of the brutal conquest of the Philippines, in which perhaps 600,000
Filipinos were killed? What of the repeated military interventions in Central America
on behalf of United Fruit and other corporations, establishing not democracy but
dictatorship all over the Caribbean?

What of the overthrow of democratically-elected governments in Iran, Guatemala,
Chile, bringing military dictatorships to power and causing the deaths of hundreds of
thousands of people? Where was the "morality and justice" in our invasion of
Vietnam, the carpet-bombings, the napalm and cluster bombs, bringing about the
deaths of several million people? What of the invasion of Panama, again with the
excuse of "regime change" but really to establish U.S. control over the country and
the canal. Europe, Kagan laments, has a different perception of "threat" than the
U.S. For most of the book, one gets the impression that the Europeans simply don't
understand the threat, while the U.S. does. But at a certain point, Kagan
acknowledges that "Iraq and other rogue states…objectively had not posed the
same level of threat to Europeans as they have to the United States."

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=4955

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