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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:36 PM
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Did you see the slick trick on Blitzer’s Late Edition this morning?
Wolf had Bernie Ward, left wing, and Armstrong Williams, right wing, radio talk show hosts talking about the WMD lies by the Bush war machine. Williams, an African American apologist for BushCo, was losing the argument to Bernie Ward, who was making Bush look like the liar he is leading us into war, when Wolf suddenly, out of the clear blue sky, asked Armstrong about a conversation he had with Michael Jackson, effectively cutting Bernie out of the conversation. Then he abruptly thanked both of them and went to a commercial.

This is what we are up against with the right wing propaganda press. It’s so subtle sometimes that you don’t always see it coming, but it is the juxtapositioning of unrelated topics so that they either distract or make them seem related. They made the war in Iraq seem related to 9-11 by doing this very thing over and over again. First they talk about 9-11 and Afghanistan and then suddenly bring up the WMD in Iraq and why we should invade Iraq (this was pre-war). They make them seem related even though they don’t actually say they are. This is why so many people thought that Saddam and Osama were in the plot together.

So I went to the CNN site looking for a transcript and couldn’t even access Wolfy’s website. I went to transcripts page and nothing was posted either so I would post a link if I could find one.

But we the people are going to have to do something about this propagandizing through the media. Nothing will change unless we do it and I don’t know how. The only thing I can suggest is to not watch or listen to or read any of these popular and accessible outlets until they die from lack of patronage. However, that doesn’t stop the apolitical person, who is home watching soap operas or at work away from any media input, from switching on Fox News when they are able to for maybe half an hour a day and believing everything they say. If CNN is nothing more than a right wing propaganda machine, how much more is Fox?
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:43 PM
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1. Write or call...
... and tell them what you think.

You are really preaching to the choir here, unless you want some of us to join your campaign... which is cool.

Also, write or call the sponsors of the program. If you can honestly say this, tell them that you were debating about buying several brands, but you just eliminated their product from consideration because they sponsor such a terrible program.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:45 PM
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2. I actually went to send an email about this to Wolfie and
as I said his website was down and I couldn't. The general email I am almost sure never gets read or filed anywhere for reference so it is us the choir that have to get their attention somehow.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:06 PM
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9. Send feedback to various CNN shows and hosts here.
Just click on the appropriate link.


http://www.cnn.com/feedback/cnntv/
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:49 PM
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3. I actually thought Blitzer let Bernie get in a lot of good points.
He was able to say that what Williams was saying was pure BS and made Williams look like he knew it himself. It had been reported that Armstrong Williams has been asked to talk to, and then for Jackson so I'm sure Blitzer did intend to ask him about that. I can't wait to see the transcript. I think Bernie said what we all want to say when we hear the rw nuts repeat the same old stuff over and over.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:51 PM
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4. There is no transcript.
You are right Bernie got a lot in there before they shut him up. This is why I don't think there will be a transcript. Wolfie got something said to him in his earpiece and he had to end the debate right then and there.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:51 PM
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5. I thought he did pretty good as well.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 03:59 PM
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6. Found the 'script
They probably didn't have it posted till recently. Here's the link, yo.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0402/09/nfcnn.08.html
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:04 PM
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7. Thanks.
:hi:
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:08 PM
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10. My Pleasure. Thank you for posting, Bernie did a great job.
:thumbsup:
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:06 PM
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8. Reading through it, I noticed they mentioned Colon Powell
*snort* Not Colin Powell, but Colon Powell.
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:10 PM
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14. Once again, the lie about inspectors
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 05:10 PM by DrBB
Did you catch it? Bush has said it twice, and it's been repeated by I can't remember which Puke senator last week, and here it is again:

They asked Saddam Hussein to cooperate with the inspectors. He kicked them out. He was boasting that he had weapons of mass destruction, as the president said with Tim Russert recently.

Bzzzzzt! Thank you for playing!

No, Mr Williams, it was your "president" who pulled 'em out, not Saddam.

I thought this was pretty funny, too:

WARD: Well, it's not true. In fact, if you go to the American Center for Progress, they'll give you an entire time line of the intelligence community constantly telling the administration that it wasn't what they said it was. Now you have Colon Powell saying they never had a smoking gun.

Oops. Hey, musta been the way he pronounced it or something.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:44 PM
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16. Thanks a bunch. This is a keeper.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:21 PM
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11. It's up to US to speak the Truth
This is an invitation to participate in the Whispering Campaign - an opportunity to become ACTIVELY involved in waking up the American public without drawing attention to yourself. This is a game of Political "Gossip" where the story of our Government's deception and betrayal gets passed from one villager to another until the jungle drums of discontent, rage and fury become a never-ending cacophony in the background that the media can't ignore. Anyone can play. The rules are simple: make ten copies of The Whispering Campaign post and leave it in a public place where someone else will find it and read it. Ideal locations for maximum exposure include book stores, copy shops, libraries and train stations. Buses, taxis, laundromats, and check-out lines at the grocery store. Hair salons, rest rooms, gas stations and convenience stores. Anywhere you happen to be will work just fine. Do this every week from now until November. Start the "buzz" that ends the Bush Administration......there's no excuse NOT to!

The Whispering Campaign




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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:25 PM
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12. Nikki Giovanni called Armstrong stupid on Booknotes last night...
It was a great interview with Giovanni. She called Clarence Williams a disgrace and Amstrong stupid. I loved it. :evilgrin:
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:57 PM
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13. I find it extra-orinary that...
the President chooses to reply to questions from a pundit on TV! I can't remember this happening before. I remember the President addressing congress or the people (via fireside chats etc.). I've been reading the discussions on the MTP threads but nobody brings-up this obvious fact.

Traditionally, I've thought of this choice of addressing congress as reflective of the responsability the President has to answer to the people by way of their chosen representatives. I thought he was supposed to execute the will of the people as demonstrated by laws passed by congress and the upholding of those laws as demonstrated by the judical?.

Just by appearing on MTP he seems to be making himself answerable to the mediacracy...as over and above congress. Is Russert supplanting the importance of congress (and by implication the rule of law etc.). The "form" of the whole discourse I find disturbing.

This has bothered me every since his appearance on MTP was announced and I wish someone would discuss this aspect of it. The discussions about the media seem to have to do with their worthiness and not their role??

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:36 PM
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15. Yes, and you are right.
What I'm bringing up is that the media has become the Republican Party's propaganda machine, much like it was in Germany during the Third Reich. Back then before WWII, the only way you could get the unvarnished truth was to acquire newspapers from outside the sphere of Hitler's influence.

Unfortunately, a few diplomats and foreign correspondents had access to these sources. The situation is similar today because busy people, who are apolitical haven't figured out yet that they are being brainwashed by sound bytes. They trust the media to bring them the truth and unfortunately too many don't think critically about what is being said.

The reason Bush is talking to Meet the Press instead of Meet the Congress is because it serves his ends better just like the radio served Hitler in Nazi Germany. After Hitler took power the Reichstag became impotent as a check on the President and Chancellor, much like Congress is impotent today.
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