Et tu, Peggy Noonan?

[CatWoman]

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha.

I come to bury *, not praise him.

Gotta love it.

Right Wingers in meltdown!

Peggy Noonan tells us why Chimpy isn't good at "interviews".

First it was McLaughlin. Et tu, Peggy? :D

-snip-

President Bush's interview on "Meet the Press" seems to me so much a big-story-in-the-making that I wanted to weigh in with some thoughts. I am one of those who feel his performance was not impressive.

-snip-
The president seemed tired, unsure and often bumbling. His answers were repetitive, and when he tried to clarify them he tended to make them worse. He did not seem prepared. He seemed in some way disconnected from the event. When he was thrown the semisoftball question on his National Guard experience--he's been thrown this question for 10 years now--he spoke in a way that seemed detached. "It's politics." Well yes, we know that. Tell us more.

-snip-

So Mr. Bush will have a few bad days of bad reviews ahead of him.

-snip-

If I worked for President Bush I'd say spend the next nine months giving speeches, and limit interviews.


http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/

[lancdem]

1. Wow

If you're a Repuke prez and don't have Peggy Noonan in your corner, you're in deep sh**.

[Fridays Child]

2. When slavering bushbot Noonan says she's not impressed...

...there is trouble in paradise! Yahooey!!!!!!!!

[blm]

3. No kidding. But, maybe she's looking to protect her own credibility....

well...whatever credibility she THINKS she has.

His performance really was THAT bad.

[Fridays Child]

4. And, of course, she had to...ahem..."touch herself" for Reagan...

...before she was finished.

If Reagan pinched off a giant, steaming turd on her front porch, Peggy Noonan would write love poetry about it.

[Qanisqineq]

7. She was talking about * the other night

and I thought she'd get on her knees and, um,.... (I'll keep it clean) if he was in front of her.

[truhavoc]

13. I'm somewhat new on here obviously

Can you share with me the evolution of why some people denote dubya as "*"??

[charlie]

14. His [s]election

His presidency will footnoted (*) in history books for the voting irregularities and the fact that he lost the popular vote.

[Fridays Child]

19. The Doonesbury cartoon portrays him as an asterisk.

I think it's Doonesbury. Someone correct me, if I'm wrong.

Welcome to DU, truhavoc! :hi:

[CatWoman]

23. a sample

[calimary]

25. Welcome to DU!

[Zomby Woof]

36. get the real dirt here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/06/29_asterisk.html

[CatWoman]

37. Zomby!!!

you've been MIA!!!!!

:hi:

:loveya:

Good to see your grumpy ass posting. :D

[Zomby Woof]

48. hehehe

Been busy busy busy fixing tax returns.

But 99% of my DU activity the past few weeks has been in GD2004, where I am All-Grumpy, All The Time! :D

Only show up in the Lounge once in a while. Getting too repetitious and dull over there lately. :evilgrin:

[CatWoman]

49. Understood

just want you to know that you're missed, and that I'm overjoyed to see you

:hi:

:loveya:

[Zomby Woof]

50. Thanks little sister!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad to see you too! :bounce: When tax season is over, I will be all over the place as usual, brightening everyone's day! ;-)

:hi: :loveya: :D :hug:

[calimary]

24. Peggy Noonan is Reagan's "Monica."

She's also seemed that way with bush 1 and bush 2. She ordinarily embroiders them a love pillow no matter what they do. That she isn't writing another rhapsody to little georgie-poo is telling. Even Peggy thought it stunk. Even Peggy couldn't find a way to whitewash it.

[PaDUer]

43. Was she wearing

a blue dress? Bet she has it in her closet, what's pickles going to think?!

[nostamj]

33. and then she would eat it

and write a column about the exquisite shittiness of it all

[fizzana]

5. I have the feeling that Bush* has figured out that being

President is too much like hard work and deep down, he'd just as soon be hanging out at Crawford doing little else but clearing away brush and playing golf.

[SammyWinstonJack]

8. Clearing away brush?

Puh leez! That is only something he does for a photo op, kinda like every other "common man" thing he does.

[CatWoman]

9. Exactly

as if that lazy POS doesn't hire gardners and landscapers to do that type stuff.

[kskiska]

52. Why would he need gardeners and landscapers

when he's got his aides and the White House Press Corps to do the work? They love it, and afterwards, he treats them all to MilkBones. Woof!
:hi:

[fizzana]

10. Picky, picky - ok cut out the clearing brush and leave in the golf

but I think my point that he really doesn't want to be doing this anymore might be valid.

[PaDUer]

44. Clearing away brush?

Oh ya, with that chain saw..lol...I read somewhere that texans clear away brush with bulldozers..bet he couldn't rent one of those!

[flamingyouth]

6. He should skip speeches too, Peggy

He also sucks at that. :eyes:

[calimary]

26. NO, let him keep giving the speeches - like that wildly popular

and successful SOTU. We need more like that one, Peggy.

[CatWoman]

28. LOL

BRING IT ON!!!!

:D

[grasswire]

11. wheeee!

This means their polling numbers are disastrous. It means their focus groups that watched the speech with those little dials were not favorable to W.

She's out there to spread the soft bigotry of low expectations.

C. Boyden Gray was out there today, too. That means trouble.

Next, Bar and Poppy.

[colonel odis]

12. last night on hardball she was saying the stupidest

things yet about bush.

chris matthews eventually laughed in her face. (pot calling the kettle black, i'm afraid.) but it was funny to see her odes to the bushes not be taken seriously.

why does she even get invited on those shows anymore? she just looks like a right-wing fool.

[diamond14]

15. shrub and his minions are in BIG trouble...war criminals all of them

their own words are now their downfall...

the scariest part is what these criminals will do as their own demise becomes more apparent to them....


WE THE PEOPLE must stand strong....do not give up....keep up the pressure...

the rats are all jumping off a sinking ship....total panic now, as they hear the screams from the children they ordered KILLED...thousands of voices screaming....while they cannot get the blood off their hands...

[PaDUer]

45. Speaking of jumping off a sinking ship...

Wonder how Ari feels now since he had to lie daily!

[enough]

16. This Noonan piece is really weird.

She talks about Bush as if she is writing an evaluation of a child, a problem child.

snip>

Mr. Bush is less facile with language, as we all know, less able to march out his facts to fight for him.

snip>

But I am thinking there are two kinds of minds in politics. There are those who absorb and repeat their arguments and evidence--their talking points--with vigor, engagement and certainty. And there are those who cannot remember their talking points.

snip>

George W. Bush is not good at talking points. You can see when he's pressed on a question. Mr. Russert asks, why don't you remove George Tenet? And Mr. Bush blinks, and I think I know what is happening in his mind. He's thinking: Go through history of intelligence failures. No, start with endorsement of George so I don't forget it and cause a big story. No, point out intelligence didn't work under Clinton. Mention that part of the Kay report that I keep waiting for people to mention.

He knows he has to hit every point smoothly, but self-consciousness keep him from smoothness. In real life, in the office, Mr. Bush is not self-conscious.

snip>

And then the strangest of all:

"What we are looking at here is not quality of mind--Mr. Bush is as bright as John Kerry."

She must be absolutely deluded.

It gets even weirder as it goes on, but I think I have used up my snips.

This is a very strange mind at work.

[kskiska]

53. And he gets a D- in "Uses time to good advantage"

and an F in"Gets along well with his peers"

[librechik]

17. On Capitol Gang yesterday, they were all talking about

how much better it would have been if McCain had won the RNC primaries back in 2000.

Chimpy is a dead monkey.

[ngGale]

18. GW can not verbally communicate unless...

it's in jest. He's good in bars and down on the ranch. I live to see him debate any Dem candidate.

[PaDUer]

46. Debate any dem? Hell,

someone should contact these candidates about that earpiece he wears..I'd like to know which thug is at the other end! How in hell is he getting away with all this?! However, don't be surprised if there isn't a debate..or, even an election..Watch he doesn't follow suit as Russia, his pal Pooty!!

[RememberTheCoup]

20. I disagree, CatWoman.

I think she is actually defending Bush in a sneaky way. She's basically saying that Democrats are good at repeating talking points, and Republicans are good at making speeches. That speeches are about philosophy, and talking points are about policy. And that philosophy is better and deeper and nobler, and policy is for losers.

(And also that Bush is as smart as Kerry. Oh, and also that the media just has it in for Bush anyway.)

One quote: "Democrats have minds that do it through talking points, and Republicans have minds that do speeches....Republican candidates often don't. Democrats, because they admire government and seek to be part of it, are inclined to think the truth of life is in policy. How could they not then be engaged by policy talk, and its talking points?"

Get it? Bush, like most Republicans is just too deep a thinker to do well in interviews!

:silly:

I guess it makes sense if you're Peggy Noonan...

[demgrrrll]

22. That man has never had a deep thought in his life! Noonan is

completely disassociated from reality.

[CatWoman]

27. at this point, I'll take anything that I can get

:D

She's defending him because he's stupid.

And this is a desperate defense at best.

And Dems ARE good at talking points :D

[belle]

30. It was the best spin she could think to put on it, which says something...

right there.

Funny thing: if his friends are making gestures toward the door, I don't think Bush sees it. If he loses, I thoroughly expect it to be in good part because the Republicans decide he's just too much of a liability (and promptly start sharpening the knives for the next battle). But watching the light slooooowly dawn on him that he's been given the Judas kiss by his supposed "buddies" would be a glorious thing. It'll take him actually losing for that to happen, I think, which will be glorious enough in itself...

[Beetwasher]

21. We've Turned A Corner, Truly. This is DEVASTATING

Holy shit, I don't believe it, but I can come to no other conclusion. They're going to have to pull something out of their ass.

Peggy is still pretty delusional though:

"But it will be a big political story in terms of the punditocracy and of news producers, who in general don't like Mr. Bush anyway."

Well, they sure seem to be on their knees alot for a man they don't like.

[jansu]

35. I worry that * will do something terrible

like a wounded animal, be careful! I expect he will have the October surprise...bin laden pops up out of a cave, but most people expect this, so they will have to do something else. I worry about another "attack" on America. Then we will go to Red Alert which is 24 hour curfew, no one allowed out of their houses. Pretty hard to get to the voting places then. Or N. Korea. Tell me that I am just paranoid, okay!

[mike1963]

29. Well, this moves her up from "despicable" to "mediocre" in my ratings...

:eyes:

[CatWoman]

31. speaking of despicable, check out MoDo

pretty good this week:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=33708

[kskiska]

54. And did you catch Faux's Morton Kondracke last Thursday?

He melted down on the subject of the missing WMDs, saying his whole premise for supporting the war was the imminent threat of WMDs. He stubbornly sat there with his face in a pout and his arms crossed while Brit Hume and Fred Barnes furiously pounded on him for being such a turncoat.

[K8-EEE]

32. YEOW!!!! THAT IS HUGE!

She is SUCH a Bush appologists....can even THEY be jumping ship now? EXCELLENT!

[9215]

34. Hee, hee, heeee. Bush can't even get and "edited" interview

to look good. What's he going to do live?????

Bwaaaaaaaahaaaaa!

[shivaji]

38. How did Gore ever manage to lose to this pathetic debator?

As bad as * is in live debate, Gore should have chewed him up
and spit him out. With the economy going gang busters, nation
at peace, and a strong debator like Al, I am dumb founded we
lost in 2000. Atleast Tennessee should have been in Gore's
column.

Is Kerry a better debator than Gore? If not, we should be
nominating Edwards, otherwise I will live through another
depressing night on nov 2nd.

[CatWoman]

41. Gore DID win

all of the debates.

But the press chose to tell the public a different story --- unfortunately the public bought it.

[John_H]

39. She could have saved a few hundred words and just said what she thinks

D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R

[PaDUer]

40. I thought the comments

that were posted on her site from obviously rightwingers, were great..they're PO'd at her...LOL

The responses--
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/responses.html?article_id=110004665

[CatWoman]

42. what's her website?

is it peggynoonan.com, or net, or org?

[PaDUer]

47. Here it is...

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/

[Wapsie B]

51. Part of me

wants to believe that the rats are deserting this sinking ship. I'll believe that chimpy can be defeated on Inauguration Day in 1/05 when the next Democratic POTUS takes office and not one second before.

[Julien Sorel]

55. I don't know what the big deal is here.

She keeps comparing him to Reagan, a comparison that he obviously desperately craves. This is far more flattering than Bush deserves, and simply serves to lower the bar: "Sure he sucks in interviews, but it's only because he can't remember his talking points, like a true politician does. He's too much of a standup, regular guy for that sort of thing." And the nonsense about Bush being a good speaker? It's absurd. I've seen several of his speeches now, and he is somewhere below mediocre. He stumbles, mispronounces words, gets overly excited in the wrong parts, and all too often comes across as nervous and un-presidential.

[CatWoman]

56. *ahem*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1099918