Is gay marrage going to sink us?

[PSR40004]

I was out and about today and couldn't believe how many people are upset over Mass new gay marrage ruling, if this brings in alot of conservative voters that might spell doom in another close election. What to do the right thing or the popular thing and maybe lose?

[rumguy]

1. I've met no one who is upset over that ruling...

It is a wedge issue and a wedge issue only.

Gay marriage or civil unions are going to be reality, it's only a matter of time.

Think back to the civil rights struggles of the 60s.

This will blow up in their faces of that I'm sure...

[theoceansnerves]

2. hm

i seriously, seriously doubt the election will be decided on this issue.

[drdigi420]

3. this is the issue

that will let their base forgive him for letting them 'fuzzy lil foreigners' come in and take their jobs

they want to paint the democratic party to be the party of 'niggers and queers', thus pandering to the reactionary redneck bigots that comprise their base

abortion is losing its draw power, but the bush admin sees the 'god hates fags' crowd as what it needs to energize their base

nothing energizes the right like a good old fashioned object of hate

never underestimate the ability of the sheep to hate, they are like a weapon that just needs to be aimed.

this year they are aimed at homosexuals

[Unforgiven]

4. I Don't

know, but I've had similar thoughts about this myself. I'm sure it will affect some voters decisions, but how many?

I often wonder if this issue has been timed as well to influence voters.

[pinto]

5. Don't think it will be the issue. My pres vote won't be litmus tested.

Congress and the state legislatures are more key to gay issues than the presidency, imho.

[MasonJar]

6. How can anyone care what makes sense for someone else?

Why are these people so afraid? It does not affect them.

[Cleita]

7. What's going to sink us is the media propaganda machine.

Gay marriage is just one of the sound bytes that are going to echo over and over again, like the family values and partial birth abortion bullshit from the recent past.

[Democrats unite]

8. The only one's upset over that ruling

Are bigoted assholes!

[donco6]

9. I hope not.

But it's a pretty hot topic out here. But then, this is Colorado. We're not that far away from the "hate state" we used to be.

[wellstone_democrat]

10. then let us sink

if that can do it, we aren't worth the "saving"

[FDRrocks]

22. agreed

[Old and In the Way]

11. I really doubt it. With all the other real issues, why would this

even be a factor? If you don't want to be a gay married person, don't be one.

[Cleita]

14. The opposition will use the media to blow this out of proportion

like they did Clinton's penis, Chandra Levy's murder and now Janet Jackson's boob. Never mind that the charges against her brother, Michael, are very serious if they prove to be true, Janet has already has taken the spotlight far away from him.

[slor]

12. Only if we let them "frame" the debate...

it may have an effect. We MUST keep the fact that jobs are flying out of the country and that soldiers are dying for no good reason and that the Democrats have the APOLLO Plan that will get this country back on the right track!

[TexasMexican]

13. I dont support gay marrage.

but it isnt that much of an issue to me because I'm sure it wont be happening in Tejas any time soon.

[Terran]

25. Why don't you support gay marriage?

Just asking...

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[Forkboy]

16. If it does I'll be proud to sink with them

[meg]

17. While were at it, lets ditch all of our principles

Who cares about the rights of women or minorities - lets not fight for them. Who cares about workers - lets not fight for them. Who cares about the children - lets not fight for them. Who cares about the elderly - lets not fight for them. In fact, lets just care about ourselves and our own interests. Whoops! We just became Republicans!

[ulysses]

18. you forget, meg, that we live

in a time of value-free Democratic politics. Winning isn't the biggest thing, it's the only thing, and the politics of meaninglessness (as enumerated by the DLC) will help us avoid the pitfalls inherent in things like principles, which of course are for radical losers anyway.

</sarcasm>

[HereSince1628]

19. Yeah...like gun control sunk Gore

I really don't think that is true either.

Nonetheless conservatives like the protection of gun rights and favor heterosexual relationships.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

20. We need to get the swing voters

The future of the Democratic party isn't with the far left liberal activists, it's with the mainstream center of America.

[bleedingheart]

21. no

[demgrrrll]

23. No, I don't think so.

[Arugula Latte]

24. Long term vs. short term

Frankly, I don't know how this will affect the election. Somebody pointed out that all Kerry (let's admit he's the likely nominee) has to say is that "my position on the issue is the same as Dick Cheney's."

Now, in the long run, the anti-gay freaks are fighting a losing battle. The younger generations (and I include myself on the old end of that demographic!) have a hugely different take on it. I think about when I was a kid -- I didn't even know that gays existed until I was probably 10 or 11. Now, my all-American nuclear family (husband, wife, boy, girl) routinely socializes with several gay couples. Our kids will grow up knowing that people who are gay just are gay, just like people who are white just are white, and so on.

[arewethereyet]

26. no one issue will sink us

but would have been nice if the Mass SC had done all this stuff sometime other than in an election cycle. Oh well, spilt milk.

It forces Kerry into a tightrope walk where he has to be personally against it, not in favor of it being a national thing but being a state thing insted. Not sure how well he'll be able to manage this.

[Red Louisiana]

27. Yes

Yes, it will sink the Democratic Party as long as the Democrats push it.

Most Americans oppose Gay marriage, I'm one of them, for different reasons of course.


I oppose all marriage relative to the state. There ought not to be any sort of special treatment for married couples, either negative or positive. Marriage is a contract between two productive humans that should be recognized by the state only for record keeping purposes, nothing more.

[greatauntoftriplets]

28. If it does, then I have great fear about the Democratic party.

I am a straight woman, but I have gay friends who are committed to each other. They have been together longer than many married couples I know. If they choose to get married (and they do not live in a state that allows gay marriage) I would be damned proud to attend their wedding.

[leesa]

29. Doubtful. Let's work to make it the non-issue that it truly is.

The only ones that really care, outside of the whacked out Fundies, are the insurance carriers who don't want to provide family coverage for singles.