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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:38 PM
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Jack Welch on CNN right now, saying Oops has potential
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 03:38 PM by buycitgo
EDIT....can't mention candidates


the host is praising Welch like crazy (former employee at NBC)

well, everybody here knows what a puddle of human excrement looks like.

check dictionary under Welch, Jack for picture

who linked that thread the other day about Welch and Russert, the one about fatso wearing a Bush pin under his lapel?

ring any bells?

My brother used to work for GE, and says that there wasn't ONE person who liked, respected Welch....they FEARED him.

when my brother quit, they had a big party for him, and more than a dozen people pretty much begged him to take them with to his new company.

he said it was very weird; that, while people were very happy for him, the air was quite funereal, cause things weren't looking so hot in the job market at the time, and everyone was worried when they'd be next to get the axe (25% staff cuts at the time in his division)
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:43 PM
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1. I heard Welch ditched his trophy girlfriend
for a younger model. In other words, the Harvard Business Review writer who caused his divorce is now history. There seems to be no end to the corporate and personal wreckage Welch leaves in his wake. If there's kharma, its going to be a tornado of fire for old Jackie.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:49 PM
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3. it's OK if you're a republican?
you live in Logan Square?

have friend who lives on Logan near California, I think
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:12 PM
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18. Yes, I'm near Sacramento
:-)
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:54 PM
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6. what a scumbum
It hasn't turned out to be quite the farewell Jack Welch had in mind. In his last year as CEO of General Electric (GE ), the legendary exec battled the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency over chemicals his predecessors had dumped in the Hudson River, and he fought with the European Union over GE's attempted Honeywell takeover. To top things off, his autobiography -- Jack: Straight from the Gut (co-written with BusinessWeek's John Byrne) -- hit shelves on September 11, only to be overshadowed by the other events of that day.

Still, Welch retired with his reputation as sparkling as ever, his book set to soar to the top of the best-seller list, and his hand-picked successor, Jeffrey Immelt, taking the reins of the GE juggernaut. Sparkling until this month, that is, when the revelation that Welch had had an affair with Harvard Business Review Editor-in-Chief Suzy Wetlaufer dragged him off his Olympian perch into three-inch tabloid boldface.

For Wetlaufer, who became involved with Welch while doing an interview with him for HBR, the liaison ended her tenure as editor -- though she remains on staff. And it could cost Welch as well. His wife, Jane, has filed for divorce, and because the couple's prenuptial agreement expired in 1999, she could stand to claim as much as half of Welch's estimated $900 million fortune.

JACK'S MONICA? The larger question, though, is whether money is all Welch stands to lose. Will the Wetlaufer affair footnote the Welch mystique forever? Will Suzy be to Jack what Monica Lewinsky was to Bill Clinton? Maybe not, if you believe management gurus at business schools across the country: By and large, leadership professors from top-name schools find the scandal irrelevant for a variety of what might be called technical reasons.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/mar2002/nf20020328_4906.htm
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 04:53 PM
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10. No, saw he is going to marry her.
She will be Fabulously Rich; he will die, and she will live another 20 years in unbelievable luxury. GE retirees and employees - even the long term ones - will burn. Ain't it great, to live in GWB's America?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:46 PM
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2. forget, for the moment, what he did as head of NBC
Welch, after all, is revered as a management savant. From 1981, when he took over General Electric, until his retirement last year, Welch transformed a relatively nondescript electronics manufacturer into one of the world’s largest corporations, adding nearly $500 billion in shareholder value. From 1981 through 1999, the company’s shareholders saw a total return of 7,000%. If this were a fairy tale, it would be the story of Jack and the Beanstalk.


But that corporatist view of GE, and its consequent sanctification of Jack Welch, plays better on Wall Street than on Main Street. One of Welch’s many sobriquets is “Neutron Jack”—as in the bomb that kills people but leaves buildings standing—for his firing of 100,000 GE workers soon after he took over the executive suite. Moreover, it bears remembering that every dollar of increased shareholder returns is a dollar that did not go into a worker’s paycheck. Although reasonable people may agree that shareholders are entitled to some kind of return on investment, it’s also reasonable to ask whether the workers who created GE’s greatly increased wealth have been rewarded in the same proportion as GE’s shareholders. The answer, in a word, is “no.”


That doesn’t make Welch a criminal. Nor does his 1986 purchase of NBC and his subsequent decision to use the network as a corporate lobbying tool, arguably helping push Bush into the presidency.


But GE’s criminal behavior, and by extension Welch’s culpability, is legendary and includes: repeated dumping of toxic waste and chemicals, stealing from the military, operating unsafe workplaces, deceptive advertising, selling defective nuclear reactor parts, creating asbestos-related health hazards in England, bribing the Puerto Rico Water Resources Authority, overcharging on mortgage insurance, money laundering and unfair debt collection, bribing a foreign government and knowingly broadcasting a phony news story. Indeed, GE’s criminal behavior has been so pervasive that in the late ’Eighties the U.S. government established an office specifically to handle GE violations of defense contracts.


Early this month, the Project on Government Oversight released the results of its survey of the federal government’s top contractors and their propensity for violating federal laws and rules. The top repeat offender, from 1990 through 1999? General Electric, which over that period paid nearly a billion dollars in fines and penalties, restitution and settlements.


http://www.newsguild.org/gr/gr_display.php?storyID=785
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 04:58 PM
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11. GE, not NBC, and I interviewed their top people
Believe me, I know. Wrote a major article on GE, for a big time magazine. Look, they like their money. That's OK, but not good enough. I know how bright they are, and how wonderful their retirements are. Hell is hot, however.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 05:10 PM
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12. point taken, but.....GE owns NBC
Wright was head of NBC then (is he still?)

and Welch was IN NBC election HQ for quite a long time that night...lots of stories about that

see Waxman link here.

he wanted unaired TAPES from that night, and AFAIK, they were never provided.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:50 PM
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4. from otherwise fawning wrapup of his GE tenure
The Welch era was not without flaws. GE has suffered major setbacks and scandals, from criminal indictments relating to military contracts to ongoing battles with environmental groups. Until recently, New York's fabled River Cafe would not serve top GE execs because of PCB contamination in the Hudson River that many blame on the company. Indeed, regulators will soon rule on whether GE will have to pay to dredge the river. Even more damaging to GE: the 1994 bond-trading scandal at Kidder, Peabody & Co. that led to huge losses and the dismantling of the investment bank Welch bought in 1986.


http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_50/b3711013.htm
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wysi Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:53 PM
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5. One of the biggest corporate criminals going...
... he practically destroyed my hometown (Pittsfield MA) when he closed GE there (they used to employ nearly half the city) and left a huge pile of PCBs without cleaning up after himself. So we get a nice legacy of unemployment, poverty, and cancer, and the shareholders get richer.

Isn't amerika great?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:55 PM
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7. yep, AND he's listed somewhere as one of the GREATEST CEOs EVER!
you could look it up
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:58 PM
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8. Welch Russert
from MWO

What's the Real Story About Jack and Tim and Dubya and Al (Smith AND Gore)?

Reliable sources have informed MWO that Jack Welch and Tim Russert attended last autumn's Al Smith Dinner in New York together - and that Russert, on the back of his lapel, was cleverly wearing a Bush for President button.

Russert has reportedly tried to shrug off the incident in private, but has failed to discuss it publicly.

MWO has also been told that either during or after the campaign, Republican Welch chewed out his employee, NBC News correspondent Claire Shipman, for being too favorable to Gore in her reporting on the Vice President's campaign. And Shipman's bureau chief - Tim Russert - reportedly did not lift a finger to protect her or to protest Welch's outrageous partisan interference.

Which leaves open some big questions for NBC to clarify:

Did Welch and Russert indeed attend the Al Smith dinner together, and was Russert wearing pro-Bush campaign material, either openly or clandestinely?

Did Welch reprimand Claire Shipman?

If so, did Bureau Chief Russert, when confronted with Welch's egregious violation of press independence, stand up for his reporter Shipman or not?
Given the gravity and the urgency of these matters, MWO asks that Tim Russert address them directly and categorically this Sunday on Meet the Press. We also ask that Jack Welch and Andrew Lack answer the above questions, either directly or through NBC spokesman Cory Shields.

Email Andrew Lack and Cory Shields and ask for a clarification on all of these matters:

andrew.lack@nbc.com
cory.shields@nbc.com


http://www.mediawhoresonline.com/welch.htm
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 04:02 PM
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9. remember the Waxman letter?
According to Waxman's sources, Welch spent much of ELECTION NIGHT (my insertion there, in caps) night at NBC's decision
desk, where election returns were projected.

Among their allegations:

* Welch and other visitors "distracted" NBC News Director of Elections Sheldon R.
Gawiser with repeated questions about how his projection decisions were made.

* Welch had access to raw election data that weren't available to news anchors,
writers, producers or other on-air reporters.

* After instruction about reading the data, Welch later concluded that Bush had won
Florida, and shared his analysis with Gawiser. Witnesses told Waxman that "at
almost the same time, John Ellis--George W. Bush's cousin and Fox News' senior
decision desk official--called both the Florida and the national election for George W.
Bush. Immediately after this announcement, Mr. Welch was observed standing behind
Dr. Gawiser with his hand on his shoulder, asking why NBC was not also calling the
election for Bush."

According to Waxman's sources, "shortly after this," Gawiser called the election for
Bush. A similar call was made by all major television news outlets within minutes.

Waxman again called on NBC to turn over the videotapes and to explain the "specific
steps" it will take to protect the line between corporate and news activities.


http://www.house.gov/waxman/issues/issues_other_nbc_elec_waxman_renews_9_11_01.htm
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 05:23 PM
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13. Didn't I read somewhere
That, on top of the million's he gets for his "retirement", he gets Social Security too?

If true, it is another stab in the back of the folks that truly need SS.
Scum, pure unadulterated, scum
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 05:56 PM
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14. pretty sure everybody gets SS
dunno if some return it

gotta be a max, based on ~84K/year contribution, right?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:28 PM
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19. dave.......HA!
miserable failure links to bush again, after a hiatus w/Michael Moore

yes!
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 06:06 PM
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15. from the "good thing corps aren't corporeal" department
In 1964, William Rummel received three years in prison after being convicted of a felony involving the fraudulent use of a credit card to obtain $80 worth of goods. Five years later, he passed a forged check in the amount of $28.36 and received four years. In 1973, Rummel was convicted of a third felony -- obtaining $120.75 by false pretenses for accepting payment to fix an air conditioner that he never returned to repair. Rummel received a mandatory life sentence under Texas' recidivist statute. He challenged this sentence on the grounds that it violated the 8th Amendment’s prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment by being grossly disproportionate to the crime.

In Rummel v Estelle (1980) the Supreme Court affirmed Rummel’s life sentence for the theft of less than $230 that never involved force or the threat of force. Justice Louis Powell’s dissent noted that “it is difficult to imagine felonies that pose less danger to the peace and good order of a civilized society than the three crimes committed by the petitioner” (445 US 263, 295). However, Justice William Rehnquist’s majority opinion stated there was an “interest, expressed in all recidivist statutes, in dealing in a harsher manner with those who by repeated criminal acts have shown that they are simply incapable of conforming to the norms of society as established by its criminal law” (445 US at 263). After “having twice imprisoned him for felonies, Texas was entitled to place upon Rummel the onus of one who is simply unable to bring his conduct within the social norms prescribed by the criminal law” ( 445 US at 284).

Now consider the case of General Electric, which is not considered an habitual criminal offender after committing diverse crimes over many decades. In the 1950s, GE and several companies agreed in advance on the sealed bids they submitted for heavy electrical equipment. This price-fixing defeated the purpose of competitive bidding, costing taxpayers and consumers as much as a billion dollars. GE was fined $437,000 – a tax-deductible business expense – the equivalent of a person earning $175,000 a year getting a $3 ticket. Two executives spent only 30 days in jail, even though one defendant had commented that the price-fixing “had become so common and gone on for so many years that we lost sight of the fact that it was illegal”.

In the 1970s, GE made illegal campaign contributions to Richard Nixon’s Presidential campaign. Widespread illegal discrimination against minorities and women resulted in a $32 million settlement. Also during this time, three former GE nuclear engineers – including one who worked for the company for 23 years and managed the nuclear complaint department – resigned to draw attention to serious design defects in the plans for the Mark III nuclear reactor because the standard practice was “sell first, test later”.

In 1981, GE was convicted of paying a $1.25 million bribe to a Puerto Rican official to obtain a power plant contract. GE has plead guilty to felonies involving the illegal procurement of highly classified defense documents. In 1985, it plead guilty to 108 counts of felony fraud involving defense contracts related to the Minuteman missile. In spite of a new code of ethics, GE would be convicted in three more criminal cases over the next years, plus paying $3.5 million to settle cases involving retaliation against four whistle-blowers who helped reveal the defense fraud. (They subsequently lobbied Congress to weaken the False Claims Act.) In 1988, the government returned another 317 indictments against GE for fraud in a $21 million computer contract.

http://www.paulsjusticepage.com/reality-of-justice/ch2-class.htm
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 06:09 PM
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16. move over Halliburton
A 1990 jury convicted GE of fraud for cheating on a $254 million contract for battlefield computers.

William Greider reports that the $27.2 million fine included money to “settle government complaints that it had padded bids on two hundred other military and space contracts”.
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 07:00 PM
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17. Here's a video that sums up GE's relationship with NBC:
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:00 PM
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20. Welch legacy: Spawning the fall of other great companies
Follow Boeing, Home Depot, and 3M...because these companies are now being led by Jack Welch proteges..

I can't remember offhand who heads HD, but 3M is being led by McNerney, who was a candidate Welch successor. Haven't heard anything yet...but as always, stay tuned

Harry Stonecipher leads Boeing now, and even he said as COO (before his first retirement) he wanted Boeing to be like GE. Judging from what happened in the last few years, looks like they are right on the money.
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