Need help with Repub talking points

[KelleyKramer]

Ok folks I need your help here.

I'm looking for examples of what these right-wing Republican worshippers are saying.

Yesterday I posted some responses to typical statements from right wingers, and want to expand on that but unfortunately I don’t listen to Rush and only watch cable news occasionally so I need help with what these people are spouting off on.

I included a few for starters, but if anyone could add more it would be much appreciated,

Thanks
Kelley

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-- I have (or will be) responding to these --

Why I like Bush and Republicans ..

Bush cut my taxes
Bush is strong on defense and national security
911 changed everything
Getting rid of Saddum Hussein has made us safer
The economy is coming back
Deficits don’t matter
Bush and the Republicans are for smaller government


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[Frances]

1. The economy is coming back

Bush has presided over more job loss than any president since the Great Depression. The jobs that are coming available aren't enough for the new people coming into the job market. And the new jobs don't pay as much as the old jobs that are gone paid.

[rustydog]

2. Answer with facts...

Taxes are ment to supply us with police, fire departments and to sustain our educational system.
keep cutting taxes and you are only gutting the police departments, fire departments and teachers of our country.

Unless you are in the upper 1% in this country, the tax break
you got is diddly.


To be strong on defense you have to support the military and it's veterans. bush cut veterans benefits by 20%. if Bush is pro military, why are so many serviceman's families drawing welfare?
If Bush is so good on National Security, how come he let 9-11 happen. he did have warnings.

How did 9-11 change everything? be specific in that very vague statement so that you can justify a incompetent president.

All information to date proves Saddam was never a threat to America or Americans. So explain to me in detail how getting rid of Saddam has made us safer. (please don't quote from the book of Rush)

How is the economy coming back? Wall street is booming, but only 5% of all investors make money on wall street. again, the top 1% in america. The economy is booming because jobs have been outsourced to countries that pay labor pennies on the dollar making instant profits after dumping hard-working Americans. for CORPORATE America the economy is improving, for the ten-plus millionout of work and the hundreds of millions of underemployed, the economy is fucked.


deficits don't matter? Tell that to the Soviet Union...Deficits collapsed the entire EMPIRE.

Too bad Bush*s smaller government is so involved in my computer time and my sexual persuasion.Give me Democrats and big government over Bush and Big Brother.

[Warpy]

3. Tell them the rest of the story

The Bush tax "cuts" will trigger the AMT when the middle class starts to get them, resulting in a huge tax INCREASE on the middle class.

Bush has stretched our military thin, fighting two major wars whose utility is up for debate. Both those wars have increased recruitment into terrorist cells. Our allies are few, and the world despises us for Bush's imperialism in the middle east.

9/11 was an attack by a criminal organization, not a country. Bush has done nothing to secure chemical plants, power plants, and most other domestic targets against attacks by these criminals, nor has he spent much time tracking these organizations or their cash flow, preferring to protect his business partners and Texas tax cheats from scrutiny.

Getting rid of Saddam Hussein has made us far less safe, as the war has increased recruitment into fanatic Islamic terror cells. He was in his late 60s, and would have died eventually. He was not a threat to us, and it was not our job to remove him, not without the support of the international community, MEANING THE UN.

The Dow is hyper inflated and being propped up by wishful thinking. The rest of the economy is stagnant except for the employment sector, which is worsening daily. If you're a stock, you're being propped up. If you're a person, well, there are plenty of cardboard boxes, dumpsters and bridges for you.

Huge deficits are alarming overseas investors. The dollar is falling, and imported goods (which is about everything, these days) are about to get much, much more expensive. You're already seeing that at the gas pump. That bill will eventually come due. Like those maxed out credit cards, it first ruins your credit rating, then it bankrupts you.

Bush and Co. have betrayed every Goldwater Repuglican out there, since they've vastly increased the size of government in the name of "security."

[SoCalDem]

4. You could try this link

http://www.georgewbush.com/News/NewsList.aspx?ID=7

[KelleyKramer]

5. Ah Hah! Thank you very much

Excellent!

Just the type thing I was looking for.

Tried google this afternoon for about an hour and got nothing but tons of nothing.

Thanks for the link ... DU is great!

[Gothic Sponge]

6. Conservatives..

are sick people and will try and spin the truth. Unfortunately, i'm not alway articulate in my defense of liberals, but i do know right from wrong! I posted some the points on this thread to a group of conservatives that hangout in another message board and this is what they wrote back:



"In short, cutting the taxes across the board is a bad idea, huh? Cutting taxes to those "rich" people possessing the cash the stimulates the economy was a bad idea? Last time I checked, you can't borrow money from a poor man, can you? And you can't borrow money from a rich man when the tax environment isn't conducive for him to free up his money and invest, can you?

About the same number of military families are on welfare today as existed in the "Good Old Days" of Clintoon-Gwhore. And the U.S. Armed Forces were present in over 140 nations when Bush took office from Clinton, right?

Yeah... Bush decided to "JUST ALLOW" the 9-11 Islamic nutcases to topple the World Trade Center buildings that morning of Sept 11th. It was a slow day and he was just talking to some kids, so this was a good time. Post a link to ANY site with a SCINTILLA of CREDIBILITY that "Bush Knew", ok?

Dean, in some small part, is shuffling off into political oblivion because he said, repeatedly, that America is no more safe today with Saddam Hussein in captivity than when Hussein was free. But I don't seek to muzzle How-Weird Dean. He's much more useful running his undisciplined, intolerant, paranoid mouth.

So getting rid of Saddam Hussein has left us just as unsafe?

This is fundmentmentally absurd.

Hussein tried to murder the former president of the United States. If this doesn't bespeak a certain type of hatred to you, nothing will.

Use your imagination for something aside from Bush bashing for just a moment.

The Clinton administration was CERTAIN Hussein still possessed WMD. Bush was too. IF Hussein had these weapons, and in the number he was reputed to have by Clinton's estimation as recently as 1998, he could easily have given a small quantity of VX, for example, to bin Laden or any number of OTHER ISLAMIC NUTCASE FANATICS. The southern U.S. border is about as secure as a vase teetering on a pedestal in a 9.5 Richter scale earthquake (THIS is Bush's true weakness.. he's trying to OUT-DEM the Dems on refusing to asert the right of a sovereign nation to control immigration). It would have "cost" Hussein virtually nothing to equip one of many Islamic nutcase groups with a few pounds of nerve agent.

Deficit spending DOES MATTER... but to a point. Rich men, and rich nations have, in many decades past, run up large, even alarming deficits... and rebounded quite nicely from these deficits. As large as the deficits Ronald Reagan ran up, despite the Dem cries that these deficits would "destroy the world", in Reagan's final defeat of communism, it didn't take long to erase these deficits under Bush 41 and Clinton, now did it? The "bottom line" is the the DEBTOR is the one that is closely critiqued. the USA possess incredible wealth in so many facets.... and the former USSR possessed only WMD and a broken down, hackneyed fiscal policy doomed to self-defeat under the application of pressure by a fiscal giant.

If/when Bush, or his follow on President(s), finally breaks the back of worldwide "MY God is Better than Your God" terrorism, the deficits might just fall away in a decade(s) long paroxysm of capitalistic, beneficial, international trading.

It took only one decade to clean up the fiscal "mess" that Democrats were grousing about while Reagan was busy driving the final nail into the coffin of Soviet communism.

It may take a bit more, or a bit less, time to drive the final nail into the mindset of a religion hijacked by a relative few nutcases that somehow feel it is "religious" to blow up airlines and knock down buildings populated by innocents of all religions.

I'd suggest you tilt at whatever windmills you like, but history and politics is obviously not your "strong suit".

[G_j]

7. Claim Vs. Fact

http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9654

On Dec. 13, the White House issued a document entitled "2003: A Year of Accomplishment for the American People." The document made various inaccurate and deceptive claims about the administration's record over the last year.

This report by the Center for American Progress seeks to correct those distortions, matching the White House's rhetoric with facts.

[ComerPerro]

8. Easy

Bush cut my taxes Really? All $300 worth? What did you do, use it to pay off some of your debt? Did that $300 really make a dramatic difference? Besides, you still have property taxes, social security, and paroll taxes to deal with.

Bush is strong on defense and national security Really? Why have there been several instances of terrorist attacks here in the US in his 3 years in office? Anthrax, 9/11, Ricin, Happy Face Bomber, DC Sniper...

911 changed everythingIt changed nothing. The administration has planned to go after Iraq right from the start.

Getting rid of Saddum Hussein has made us saferHow? He doesn't have the WMD, remember?

The economy is coming backOh really? Tell that to people who lost their jobs and had their unemployment benifits run out. Tell that to people who had to take a new job with less or worse benifits and lower pay.

Deficits don’t matter Then why don't we bring in more spending for education?

Bush and the Republicans are for smaller government I guess you are right on that. After all, Bush, Mr. "Tough on Security", was initially opposed to the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.


Next?

[Blayde Starrfyre]

9. This is like a fun little quiz

Here are my brief and pithy comebacks to things like this:

Bush cut my taxes
"I didn't know you're a multi-millionaire!"

Bush is strong on defense and national security
"Yeah, that's why he was on a month break when he should have been stopping 9/11."

911 changed everything
"It didn't change Bush's plans to invade Afghanistan and Iraq."

Getting rid of Saddum Hussein has made us safer
"Ask the families of the dead soldiers how safe their children are."

The economy is coming back
"So is Disco, but not any time soon."

Deficits don’t matter
"You must plan on hating your children."

Bush and the Republicans are for smaller government
"Yeah - one man running the country."

[RBHam]

10. Holy Crap.

Where are the jobs going?
How many bombs do we need?
Why do those Osama videos remind me of Latka Gravas on Taxi?