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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:02 PM
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Gore still #1 (Pew Poll)
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=187

Al Gore, who declared late last year that he would not be a candidate in 2004, attracts the most potential support among Democrats. Three-quarters of Democrats say there is at least some chance they would vote for Gore, and 42% say there is a good chance they would vote for the former vice president. Gore drew comparable interest among Democrats four years ago. In June 1999, 78% of Democratic voters said they would consider voting for Gore.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:04 PM
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1. I Miss Al Gore
I feel as if he's gone forever. Not coming back
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:12 PM
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3. Hey otohara
Please come join our nice community and talk with us:

http://algoresupport.proboards19.com/index.cgi
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:12 PM
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4. Hey otohara
Please come join our nice community and talk with us:

http://algoresupport.proboards19.com/index.cgi
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DBTFighter Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:11 PM
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2. i feel abandoned
I dont know what he could say to re-enter the race that wouldnt get him chewed up by the media...
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:34 AM
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34. He just needs to run and...
.. have a good PR squad that would get out there and defend him against the media, instead of his damn daughter that was so concerned with branding, focus groups and reinventing him.

He needs a grass roots campaign not unlike Deans, that would have him out there stating from the get-go that he will not waste time trying to defend himself against these GOP evildoers who are bent on spreading lies against him.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:13 PM
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5. really interesting poll
whether you are a Gore fan or not (I am )the poll has some very interesting information. Thanks for sharing that.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:18 PM
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6. No problem
It shows that Gore can win, Bush and Gore are polarized figures, but if Gore runs he has the Greens this time. Please Al RUN.

Give us something to smile about:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:18 PM
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7. would you look at that
Catholics are nearly as close to seculars on homosexuality on accepting it. I am not suprised honestly.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:20 PM
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8. It's an inescapable truth
No one in the Democratic party has the capacity to beat Bush* like Gore. Considering all our divergent splinters, he is the one candidate with the greatest likelihood of pulling the elements of our base back together and creating party unity. It's very easy when one is blinded by passion for a particular candidate to overlook the bigger picture. The fact remains, the Democratic party has the best chance of beating Bush* if it runs Gore -- a fact which the DLC chooses to ignore.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:24 PM
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9. Gore has my vote (again) if he chooses to run...
...in 2004 or 2008.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:33 PM
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11. Why dont we just admit
No one else can win except Al. We may like Dean or Kuchinich, but they have little to no chance of winning. I also think if Dean gets the nod, it will set the party back 15 years. If we show Gore we need him, he may come back as a savior. It would be American history. But 1st we must get real and admit Gore is the only one who can ACTUALLY WIN!

Please join us in discussing Gore and much more:
http://algoresupport.proboards19.com/index.cgi

http://www.algoresupportcenter.com

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dragonquest8 Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 10:05 PM
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13. Mr. Gore warned Americans about everything Chimpy stands for.....
this time Mr. Gore could convince enough Americans to vote for him...
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 10:10 PM
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14. Kick
NT
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:31 PM
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10. I still support Gore over all comers
and want him BACK in the race!!!

This poll proves he has the best chance of beating Bush.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 09:34 PM
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12. The fact that he has refused to run has turned me against him
Why, for the love of god, didn't he?
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Sava Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 10:13 PM
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15. I don't want Gore...
Clinton would have beat Bush in 2004. It's arguable that Gore did win, but still, Clinton would have won huge. The fact that the election was that close proves that Gore was a weak candidate. Screw him and keep him away from the 2004 elections.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 10:48 PM
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20. You should know that that REALLY IS A RETHUG TALKING POINT
Gore won bigger than almost any candidate in history in terms of total votes.

He still polls better than any of the other dem candidates.

Only those who really want Bush to win could really oppose Gore, IMHO.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 10:55 PM
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21. Right On!
NT
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 10:24 PM
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16. Not to take away from the Gore love-fest.
But if you take out both Gore and Clinton (they're not running) Howard Dean is a sharp 3rd. Which is really surprising because he was so far down just a few months ago.

I think Lieberman will continue to fall, and it'll come down to Kerry-Dean.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 10:27 PM
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17. I dont see where you see Dean in 3rd in those polls
Among Democrats, 47% of them say they might vote for Gore in 2004, which is tops among all of the 9 Democrats currently seeking the presidency. The poll also revealed 42% of Democrats said there was a good chance they would vote for Gore compared to only 24% who said they wouldn't, which is best among the list. This is comparable to Howard Dean. Only 19% of people say there is a good chance they would vote for him, but 35% said there was no chance they would vote for the former governor.

Remember these are very consise and presice polls.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 10:32 PM
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18. Look.


Though I'll give you few have heard of Dean. BUT 19% say he has a good chance, 4% below the two other people running. 34% say SOME chance. No chance at 35%.

Thus if you take out Clinton and Gore (they're not running) Dean comes in 3rd among those who have a 'shot' of winning.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 10:43 PM
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19. No
When 35% of the people say they will not vote for you in any way, that is not third. If you do the math, Gephardt and Edwards would be ahead of Dean also minus Al and Hill.

We need you AL!!!!!!!!

Awe of the thought:
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 11:44 PM
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24. true among announced candidates Dean
has a higher committed vote==19%--which is only slightly lower than what Kerry and Lieberman get but they are much better known than Dean.

I wouldn't worry too much about the 35% who say there is little chance they would vote for Dean--look at Bob Graham--41% say the same thing about him, but he is considered by many democrats and the press as being "more electable" than Dean. Only slightly more than a third of dems know who Dean is at this point and as time goes on this will improve too.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:18 AM
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26. Edwards is less known than Dean and is doing better by the poll
BUT GORE NEEDS TO COME BACK!
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 10:59 PM
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22. Looks like he's gonna loose twice in a row!
nt
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Sava Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:08 AM
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28. Yeah, that's BS... I don't want the Dem's to put a puppet
Al Gore... ::SHIVERS:: that's pathetic. He lost once... he'll lose again. Dean thinks for himself, and will represent freedom, democracy, and accountability.
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devarsi Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:47 AM
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29. Get a calculator, Sava, and count those votes
Gore won the 2000 election.

Why do you think that anyone believes your "Gore lost" rhetoric? Why are you just tryiong to cause trouble here?

Say you don't like Gore's views, or his politics, or his hair even. That's subjective. But don't set out a lie and pretend its the truth.

Not here.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:23 AM
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32. He did win the election. He lost the Presidency.
The reps fought with their teeth to steal it. We didn't. He didn't want to appear as a sore looser when he had actually won. He let go of it. Which I'm not reproaching him. It's just a fact.
The sense of my comment was to underlie the surrealistic aspect of the situation where a candidate who doesn't run gets most of the votes. Again.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:57 AM
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30. Whatever
Please! Dean doesnt hold anything on Gore. We are not trying to see who can drag the party so far left we will never win again, we want to win now and Gore can do it! NOT DEAN!
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Quahog Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:08 AM
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36. "Drag the party so far left?"
"We are not trying to see who can drag the party so far left we will never win again...."

:wtf:

Surely you are not suggesting that Dean is in any meaningful way oriented to the LEFT of Gore? Have you read none of Dean's positions on the issues? The only opinions I've heard so far about Dean being a "leftist" or "too liberal" have come from the DLC, or rethug shrieking heads. Haven't heard a single progressive make this assertion... seems the general complaint is that Dean is too much of a Clinton centerist.

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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 11:24 PM
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23. Kick2
NT
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 11:48 PM
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25. Too bad we won;t take advantage of our best shot...
too bad Gore won't run. He has it all.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:38 AM
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27. A fool-proof, glorious way for Gore to re-enter the race -
Each candidate, one at a time over months or all at once immediately, announce they will drop out of the race and call on the righful President of the US to step forward and reclaim his place. The media could not bury Edwards, Lieberman, Gephardt, Kucinich, Kerry and Dean dropping out in a staggered fashion and calling on Gore to run and then campaigning for him. Gore would ride an unstoppable "American Idol-like" wave of momentum back to the WH, imho.

Ok, maybe that's fantasy, but, a swelling, undeterred draft movement would have a similar effect.

*sigh*

I do miss him, and wish he would run again.

I think a Gore/Clark ticket would be Rove's worst nightmare.

I can see the tagline now...:"Gore/Clark - American Justice"
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Wickster Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:31 AM
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31. Works for me!
I'd personally love to see President Gore (elected by the people - not the Supremes) run with anyone but Lieberman.

However, whomever the Democratic Party nominee is - I will vote for him. :dem:
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:26 AM
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33. There's only ONE possibility.
It's a full-blown scandal on the current administration. If that happens, there will be a very small window during which Gore can step in with all the profit and none of the problems. And probably win. For 8 years.
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Quahog Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:47 AM
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35. Oh PLEASE
Edited on Wed Jul-09-03 09:49 AM by Quahog
In the first place, Gore is not running because he does not want to run. He's made that clear. If the man does not want to run, he would not campaign effectively, because he would be doing something that he doesn't feel moved to do. He's not speaking out on any of the issues or any of the other candidates, he's totally removed himself from the public spotlight. It seems he wants some privacy. And frankly, I don't blame him. The media assault would be worse this time, and who wants to go through that twice? So it's kind of a waste of energy talking about his campaign when there's not going to be one.

Secondly, I am getting pretty sick and goddamb tired of these polls that are so obviously designed to further splinter the party. WHY are they polling on the likelihood of Dems voting for Gore (or Hillary, or Martin Sheen or JFK or...) when these people are not running? When a poll asks the question, "Have you ever heard of Candidate X?" and 35% answer "No," what good does it do to then ask those same respondants what the likelihood is that they would vote for Candidate X? This is idiocy. How would you respond if someone called you on the phone and said, "Hi, I'm taking a poll, there's a guy on the sidewalk outside my office peeing on a plant, what's the chance you'd vote for him for president?"

Look, I like Al too. Way back in '92, I preferred him over Clinton, and was frequently savaged by my fellow Dems for my opinion. But as a candidate, he disappointed me. Yes, I know he got more votes than Bush*. Yes, I know he got more votes than ANY presidential candidate since Reagan. OK, point made and taken. Thank you for these interesting statistics. But in his selection of a running mate, he disappointed me by choosing a right-of-center, soft spoken capitulator instead of someone with some fire (I wanted him to pick Kerry SO BADLY). In the debates, he disappointed me when he sighed and demurred and agreed with the chimp instead of mopping the floor with him. And when things got ugly and the REAL fight was on during the recount, he backed down. He had his chance, and I honestly don't think that I can excuse his lack of fight with musings about him taking the moral high ground. The fight got dirty, and his victory was taken from him. Sure it was illegal, but it was too easy for the BFEE in my opinion. Gore had everything going for him in terms of positions (polls showed the majority of Americans agreed with his stances on issues, not Bush's), in terms of a successful track record for the nation, and in terms of outclassing his opponent in every way. Yet Bush* lives in the WH, and Gore does not.

A Gore run in '04 would be about NOTHING but "Gore's revenge," "sore loserman," "can't he take 'no' for an answer," "why did Gore lose in the first matchup, let's review his lies, blunders and inadequacies," etc etc etc blah blah blah ad nauseum. It would never get around to being about the issues and the evils perpetrated by this administration. It would be all "alpha male" and no "Osama bin Laden." It's the worst imagineable scenario, giving the puking heads something to talk about all day other than the issues. No thanks.

I hope Al gets his cable network together, and I hope it's the bomb. Maybe he can use it as a tool for helping the Dems regain control of this runaway train that is our government. But please, let's get someone in the ring with Bush* who WANTS to be there, and who WANTS to win.

Edut becaws me know spel gud.
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