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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:55 PM
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How optomistic are you that we will win?
This is regardless of nominee. I would like to think that Dean, Kerry, Clark, or Edwards should be able to take the shrub down. But more dirt has been surfacing about Bush in the last month than in the last three years before that. His approval ratings are hitting an all time low for him. People seem to be getting sick of all this shit. They want a better future, without perpetual war and with plentiful opportunities. The only way to do that is to not re elect Bush and the neocons. How optomistic are you that we will do that?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:57 PM
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1. Very
The American people are sick of the BS
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culinarymama Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:01 PM
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2. will we win
I don't think we will win...it's sad
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:01 PM
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3. Improving...
...there's still Diebold, and even if Kerry or Dean gets in, he'll have to face a hostile Congress and media, so actually fixing Smirk's mess will be difficult.

One reason I am for Clark is I think he'll have some coattails this fall, and we will not suffer heavy losses in Congress.

Finally, if CentralAirMedia comes up on schedule, and we get the correct line-up on the air, it will help ALOT.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:01 PM
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4. It is going to be a very long eight months
It all depends on the Cowardice of the Democrats.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:02 PM
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5. We can only win if WE do something about it
We need to get new people to go and vote Democratic. We've had enough of this bullshit. The left and center need to unite against the radical right wing faction of the Republican party. There are already a lot more registered Democrats than Republicans so we need to rally the base and kick some ass!
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:04 PM
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6. I'm optimistic, but BBV scares me.
Check this story out:

Kerry Beat Dean in New Hampshire by Only 1.5% When Computers Were Not Doing the Counting
http://www.livejournal.com/users/explodedview/
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:06 PM
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7. If the election were this Tuesday
we could win big time but there are months to go and who knows what will happen. We are fighting powerful forces and we don't know what the plan is yet. So far the job front looks bad for Bush* and unless he gets his buddies to start hiring it doesn't look to improve. Afraid of another LIHOP or MIHOP. That could go either way. The public could feel that we still 'need' him or that he has failed and let it happen again. And then there's the media!
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:08 PM
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8. I'm confident Kerry well be elite's choice to replace the dumya liability

I have no confidence we will have a valid election.

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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:16 PM
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9. Does that elite include big oil?
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 02:16 PM by wuushew
The energy and defense industries will never have it as good as that had it under bush, they are are a sizeable and powerful segment of the elite.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:48 PM
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18. yes
bush is becoming a liability
too much is being exposed
they really need to let some steam out of the system
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:26 PM
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10. Never underestimate pissed-off people!
Democrats are voting in the Primaries in droves. Ralph Reed, the Christian Coalition wonderboy, said it best himself; "Angry people vote".
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Serenity-NOW Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:26 PM
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11. My hunch is that the 'elite' don't want Bush anymore
He's caused them problems on a grand scale. Comes to them everytime he's in trouble and throws another 100 mil down the tube. The guy is a n'er do well and everyone knows it. He has become a liability and even the uber rich sometimes think longer term than a single fiscal quarter.

Then you have the wars, the joblessness, foreclousres and bankruptcies. The 'elite' are realizing that the American consumer fuels the economy and they need us.

The media has annointed Kerry. Notice how he's got zero negative personality traits so far? They started early on Dean and wiped him out when he suggested dismantling the media monopoly.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:29 PM
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12. Excited now, but Bush will be dirty and ruthless he will not conceed

Remember Florida!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:57 PM
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16. Bush is going to loose!
:kick:
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:41 PM
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13. As optimistic as I've ever been
but still very aware this will be a long, bloody battle. I have no illusions about that. The people, though, are waking up.
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John BigBootay Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:50 PM
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15. I give it about a 45% chance of success right now-- n/t
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:49 PM
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19. Nice, you're almost at his approval rating.
With margin for error, you are above it.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:44 PM
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17. Ladbrokes bookmaker odds
Republican win 2/5
Democratic win 7/4
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:55 PM
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20. once people who supported Bush see through him and his lies . . .
I think it will be highly unlikely that they will go back to supporting him, regardless of what kinds of achievements of crises he may engineer . . . BBV still bothers me a lot, though . . . if the Repubs can manipulate the vote in key states with no possibility of getting caught, do you think their ethics and morality will stop them from doing just that? . . . not likely . . . in fact, no chance . . .
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StopThief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:13 PM
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22. Chances are up to 39%.
nfm
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:17 PM
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23. Not optimistic, but hopeful
Bush has tons of cash, he has no compunctions about lying, the press is covering his ass at every opportunity, the Repuke convention will be a 9/11 jingoistic orgy, an October surprise is likely, and right wingers always vote.

If the public had even a short term memory, Bush would be toast on election day. Unfortunately, the public can't remember what happened yesterday unless it involved Jacko, Peterson, Kobe, or Janet's tit.
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:20 PM
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24. Scared chitless....
Will talk and write to as many people as possible from now till then.
I suggest you do the same.

I email countless people and send off my essays to representatives and senators.

Challenge people whereever you are.

Check out "the significance of Reaganomics I, II, III, and IV" post to get a sense of what we're up against. They will stop at nothing to get this victory.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:21 PM
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25. with or without electoral fraud?
That's the part of the equation that we just don't discuss much.
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