Tweety: even liberals have to admit they like Reagan

[nostamj]

:wtf: !!!

i don't like RR any more because he's sick.

RR was a full-tilt horror. (W is worse)

i despise him now and before.

what pointless whorespeak

liberals don't have to admit to ANY of your BS

shut up!

/nost is in a bad mood tonight

[proud patriot]

1. I still have my Official Ronald Reagan Doormat

:evilgrin:

[SharonAnn]

2. No, I don't. He's the reason I left the Republican party.

I despised Reagan, his vice-president, and all the members of the administration. They were so blatantly out for stealing from the American taxpayer and lining their own pockets that it was sickening.

That's when I first said "These are not my people."

[denverbill]

83. Me too, but for different reasons.

I actually voted for GHWB in the Iowa caucuses that year. When Reagan eventually got the nomination, I was dumbfounded that voters could actually be so idiotic as to believe that you could raise defense spending, cut taxes, and balance the budget. It was 'voodoo economics' as GHWB said.

When Reagan not only won the nomination, but beat Carter in November, I think it totally blew my faith in the ability of the American people to actually make intelligent decisions.

1980 marked a turning point for Republicans on abortion too. Prior to 1980, many Republicans were pro-choice. Now, that isn't allowed.

[ithacan]

3. Reagan is actually VERY unpopular

the media and right wingers try to spin the myth of Reagan as beloved.

In fact, Reagan is not beloved, he is widely reviled for very good reason.

If he was so well loved, would the right wingers have to have a committee to name an object in every county after him? That's the kind of thing authoritarian dictators do to overcome the hatred their people have for them...

[bobbieinok]

4. what liberals? none I've ever known

...

[DenverDem]

5. Raygun's treason started us down this path of fascism.

I can't help but think his current situation is instant karma.

[demosincebirth]

16. no brains (no pun intended)

I don't think Reagan, even knew that he was president.
Also, not one of the smartest, but maybe, smarter than Shrub.

[moosedog]

19. amen

[zonmoy]

45. karma yes

instant not a chance.

[Jackpine Radical]

6. Like you say

nostamj

[Iris]

7. was he the one who believed in "trickle down economics"

later to be renamed "voo doo economics" by our current squatter in chief's father?

Nope. Don't have to admit I like anyone. Don't have to like anyone I don't like.

[NewJeffCT]

33. yes, it was him

Derided by Bush Sr as voodoo economics left over from the roaring 20s - which, of course, led to the Great Depression...

[FrankBooth]

8. Umm, nope.

Just because Dipshi* is worse, doesn't mean we suddenly love Reagan. That is absurd nonsense. Reagan was the warm up act for the circus sideshow that is running this country now.

[salinen]

10. Reagan

was the first person I absolutely despised in my life. I was a virgin before that.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

9. I hate that bastid

he screwed the middle- and working-classes. His legacy is myth-pure and simple.

[MI Cherie]

11. I would not admit to any such thing!

I can't see how anyone in their right mind could think he was so wonderful.

Lousy prez; his movies weren't so great, either.

Only feel pity for him now.

:thumbsdown:

[PurityOfEssence]

12. He thinks that if you bark loudly enough, it's true

What a sickening blowhard.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

13. Remember Reagan's story about welfare queens driving Cadillacs?

Ronald Reagan, the rich white Hollywood actor, divorced, remarried, and never went to church, told stories about black mothers on welfare driving around in Cadillacs because they were living the high life on $250 county checks and babysitting money. The problem was low moral standards and lack of a work ethic, this from the Hollywood actor who had servants.

You have to be either a) rich, or b) a complete and utter moron, to like Ronald Reagan.

On edit: Who the hell is "Tweety" and why should I care what he thinks?

[SnohoDem]

14. In a pig's ass they do.

n/t

[Hamlette]

15. not to pick

but I thought Tweety said even liberals have to admit he was well liked.

duh

[Alopenia]

17. Even though he defeated the Soviets

I still can't say much else good about the man.

[yorgatron]

18. i wonder if ronnie was posessed by satan

or simply married to her? BTW i thought you were supposed to be DEAD,not just brain dead,to have things named after you...

[Cooley Hurd]

20. He had nothing to do with the end of the Soviet Union...

The USSR was dying without anyone's help (well, except the Soviets themselves), especially Reagan.

[Dimsdale]

29. Defeated the Soviets, eh?

That's a joke, right? You can't be serious.

[tabasco]

37. Hahaha - Super Ronnie just showed up and "beat the Soviets"

Marshall Plan
Berlin Airlift
Korean War
Vietnam War
Eisenhower
JFK

Had nothing to do with it. Either did the fact that it was a seriously flawed system. Super Ronnie just showed up and beat them Soviets. Simple thoughts from simple minds.
Reagan's most notable accomplishment was providing massive amounts of modern arms to both Iran and Iraq.

[truizm]

40. Reagan's accomplishments?

-Prolonging Soviet Defeat
-Massive deficits
-International terrorism - condemned by the world court

And like you said, arming Iran and Iraq. Probably a few other great things too. What a great president.

[NewJeffCT]

79. don't forget China

He gave vital nuke technology to the Chinese, as he wanted them to be another threat to the Soviets...

[truizm]

39. Reagan defeated the Soviets?

I find it hilarious that Republicans still claim Reagan was a great crusader against Communism. Republicans constantly parrot the idea that Communism simply cannot work; it will collapse on its own.

But unfortunately, the Reagan Repbulicans were so afraid that communism MIGHT actually work, they had to perform aggressive intervention to make SURE that it failed.

The Republicans were terrified by it, so they had to take matters into their own hands to make sure it came apart. They like to claim that the massive and irrational military buildup of the Reagan administration was the reason that communism collapsed in the Soviet Union. Very laughable actually as the situation was actually the opposite of this. Before the Soviet Union fell, I've even read of some things said "off the record" by some of the top Soviet Economists at the time--namely they would go to different conventions and talk official party line but once they were away from all that they confided in some of the top U.S. economists that they KNEW that what they said was pure bullshit and that the Soviet System was a basket case and it was eventually going to come apart and already was starting--it would collapse of its own weight and inefficiencies.

Later, the former Soviet economists admitted that it was in fact the very Republican military buildup that held the Soviet Union together as long as it did. By forcing the communists to build military hardware, it actually promoted a war time economy and gave them something to do and focus the attention of the population on rather than letting them see their own problems. In peace time, their economy had nothing to make and no means for it to work. It is very likely that the Soviet Union would have collapsed sooner had Reagan built nothing as the Soviets had no peace time economy at all and that is the very thing that ultimately made them fall apart (lack of a functional peace time economy). So Reagan spent HUGE amounts of money and in effect actually somewhat prolonged an inevitable end to the Soviet Union by doing so. And U.S. economists have said, at best, the military buildup didn't affect the rate at which the Soviet System collapsed but conceded that in all likelihood, it actually prolonged it by a number of years. So there is a case of HUGE amount of money that bought practically nothing.

It should be noted that in Gulf War I, Bush the first authorized the use of many of the weapons built up by the Reagan administration to be used in order to "get rid of them." They had already become obsolete and many were aging and slated for destruction (another cost the government would have had borne as well associated with the buildup). So it didn't really buy anything of lasting value. The Soviet Union would have collapsed anyway and the U.S. was never actually particularly threatended by them inspite of all the propoganda and hype. The other interesting thing to note is that the Russians and the Americans have never fought a war against each other but have fought on the same side through two world wars which shows what really happens when push comes to shove. It should also be noted that even Stalin did not originally consider the Americans the enemy as we had been allies. He was outraged when he found out that it was the Americans that were spying on him and consequently retaliated and return the favor in kind--so began the cold war. It was always used to justify the bloated war time economy of the industrial military complex well beyond what was actually necessary. I was wondering who they'd come up with after the fall of the Soviets to continue to justify their existence. Bush the first talked about a "war on terror" and now it surfaces with his son. Wow! What a perfect enemy to cause the ultimate fear. A war that can never end and can strike anywhere!

[BigBigBear]

41. The Cold War

was ended largely by the Pope, Solidarity, Gorbachev and the Afghani mujahadeen.

[Cooley Hurd]

50. Excellent argument! So true...

Wecome to DU! :hi:

[Brewman_Jax]

65. Great info

Have you a link? I know too many people on both sides of the aisle who still think that The Zapman (Ronnie Raygun, har! har! ) killed the Soviet Union with the arms race. One thinks that it just happened that the Soviet economy crashed before the US economy.

[Nay]

21. Huh?? That old fraud made me want to PUKE.

He was a know-nothing knee-jerk rich guy who was senile while in the White House.

[Terwilliger]

22. I think Tweety has issues

He's a closet gay man.

[indepat]

23. What I liked most about Raygun were: the highly regressive tax policies

and the ensuing multi-trillion dollar deficits that followed; how the air traffic controllers were fired, especially those on approved leave, but whose records were falsified; the 500,000 or more kicked off Social Security disability rolls without due process, many who died before they could be rightfully restored; the scandals at the EPA, HUD, et al and the rather large number of high-ranking officials who were indicted; the $600 toilet seats; the some 250 or more times Bill Casey purportedly went to Raygun for approval for some covert act to combat a "clear and present" danger, often meaning some terrorist-like act on some foreign soil; the invasion of Granada; the mining of the Nicaraguan harbor in violation of international law; Ollie, Poindexter, and the entire illegal Iran-Contra affairs. Those just for starters. And yes, he was certainly good with the one-liners.

[Hekate]

56. Barf. Barf. Barf. Some of us still have our memories intact...

...don't we?! Some of us were sentient beings! Some of us never liked him and we still don't! And for all the reasons stated above -- and more. "You've seen one redwood you've seen them all." p'tui

Okay, so I'm sorry he has Alzheimer's and I'm sorry Nancy has to live with that (although she certainly has the resources to mitigate the burdens of caregiving --I mean, I don't think for a minute she's the one lifting, changing and bathing him). Better he should have all his marbles intact so he could see what he started.

Goddess, sometimes the over-and-over-and-over-again propaganda makes me wonder if I'm losing *my* mind. So glad there are DUers as an occasional sanity check.

Hekate

"But why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many,
what day it's going to happen, and how many this or what do you
suppose? Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my
beautiful mind on something like that?" ~Barbara Bush

"I guess the 'nation's grandma' isn't the grandma of those her son sends into harm's way." ~Hekate

ARLINGTON WEST, SANTA BARBARA CALIF.
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Default.htm
click on the large photo of AW to go here:
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Arlington_west_121003.htm
Scroll down the page for all the photos...

[KamaAina]

24. KamaAina: *No one* has to admit s/he likes Tweety!

and the ratings back me up on that!

"I tawt I taw a Democwat!"

Caveat: I'm a progressive, not a liberal. Your mileage may vary.

[leftofthedial]

25. like hell I do!

MoFo started this country down the road to ruination.

Second worst president in history.

[dusty64]

26. I hated his policies and agenda

and didn't care much for him, but I didn't have the seething loathing I have for our present junta. Not even close.

[DEM FAN]

27. Run That By Me Again. Well Tweety Is A Reagan Democrat.

:-(

[BigBigBear]

28. Reagan was a fraud

wrapped in a soundbite.

He signed 7 tax increases, despite being beloved by conservatives for cutting taxes.

He was a divorced former alcoholic, accused of rape and estranged from at least one of his children, despite being beloved by conservatives for standing up for family values.

He relied on his wife, his chief of staff and his ideologue pals for direction on virtually every aspect of his presidency, despite being being beloved by conservatives for leadership.

He killed thousands of peasants in Central America, coddled dictators, traded with terrorists, and presided over BY FAR the most corrupt presidential administration in history. He joked about nuclear war, forgot the names of his cabinet members and mourned dead Waffen SS Stormtroopers as 'victims'. He gave us Saddam Hussein.

Everything that came out of his mouth was a rehearsed lie, disengeuous polictical claptrap or blather. He was a disgrace.

No one deserves the condition he is now in, but he was an awful president. Matthews is such a smug sycophant - he's just an inch-deep concubine for the monied status quo. I don't know how he can look at himself in the mirror anymore.

[Jax]

30. Friday will be" RR Day" in my County

Gag and :puke:

The three repugs on the County Council shoved this through.

link:
http://www.heraldnet.com/Stories/04/2/5/18142900.cfm

snip...
"Councilman Dave Gossett, a Mountlake Terrace Democrat, criticized the resolution's accuracy."

snip...
"In 1980, President Reagan inherited an unemployment rate of 7.1 percent. He drove it up in 1981, '82, '83, '84 and '85," Gossett said, adding that President Carter inherited an even higher unemployment rate and drove it down during the first three years of his four years in the White House."

You tell them Dave!!!

Enough with the reagan crap already. I will never admit to any right wing bullshit either. Reagan/Reagan admin was a disaster. Can you say Watts and Heckler, just for starters?

Jax

[Cocoa]

31. Tweety's hero-worship is embarrassing

not once did he or any of his panel mention how his policies affected ordinary American citizens. I guess that's irrelevant when evaluating a president.

[ramapo]

32. I've no respect for Reagan

He was our most fiscally irresponsible President (until W). His administration was the start of fantasy politics.

Sorry he's sick but that doesn't change his policies.

Oh..I've even less respect for that whore Tweety

[bleedingheart]

34. I hated his policies

[never cry wolf]

35. I LOVED Ronald Reagan

He was great in Bedtime for Bonzo. Did a good job in Knute Rockne, All American too.

After he quit acting however....he could take a flying leap for all I care. Oops, I forgot, he never did quit acting.

:puke:

[Poiuyt]

43. Kings Row

"Where's the rest of me!!"

[KansDem]

73. My wife can't stand Reagan...

I wanted to rent "King's Row." She said "No way!" I said, "But, Honey, in the movie Reagan gets run over by a train!" She replied "O.K.!!!"

[maggrwaggr]

49. even my right-wing military father says he was a figurehead

My dad was still in the Army back then, designing top secret weapons systems, and he said at the time, and still does, that Reagan was just the mouthpiece, the figurehead, the puppet, and that others were actually running the show.

He's about as die-hard a repub as you can find.

[MikeG]

36. Hold it, I'm gonna cack. Urg! Urg! Rowwwlf!!! Sorry.

[salin]

38. Not this liberal - never did - and never will

do feel empathy for him and his family due to the long struggle with Alzheimers... but that doesn't make me revise my overall interpretation of the bumbling president who brought in the first round of radicals intent on changing our political system... which served as the breeding ground for this current crop of anti-democracy drubs.

[Serenity-NOW]

42. I met Reagan once

Used to do corporate video and once got a gig to go shoot Reagan, Ford and Carter give a message of thanks to the outgoing Prez of the World Bank since none of those guys could make the meeting. Nixon did something else.

Anyway, Reagan was on the top floor of the Century Plaza building surrounded by 3-4 different types of security which was a major pain to get past even though I'd just had a six month background check performed by the SS. So I'm setting up the camera and telepropter, yes he needed it, and while I'm putting on his lav and feeling odd about getting an ex-president to remove his shirt. I lean in to his ear and ask him "So Ron, how's life treating you?" To which he responds "Ohhh fiiiine fiiine" in truly out of it style. Then his executive assistant shows up with a pitcher of icy cold water for him. It's visibly cold and the outside of the pitcher is frosted. She pours him a glass and hands it to him. He takes a sip and sets it down quickly then says "Oh my that's hot!"

After the shoot was done everybody split and left the old geezer sitting in the room. Reagan gets up, walks over to me (he loves cameras) puts his hand on my shoulder and asks me if he'd ever told me the story about the time he auditioned opposite John Barrymoore. I said I didn't think so so he steps back, starts to describe the audition then begins to sing and dance. No lie, I've sill got the field tape. I'd put a small hi-8 camera high on one of the C-stands and let it run the whole time - against instructions.

They told me that the shtick would be done in one take and not to run the 'real' camera one second more. As I recall it took about 5 takes to get a few paragraphs cleanly.

I decided right then that he had squat to do with becoming the president and likely didn't have a clue that he wasn't just acting most of the time. He struck me as the kinda guy that would make a pretty cool addled Uncle but was definitely not the Leader of the Free World, in spite of appearances.

Remember when he 'lost' his voice right in the middle of the Iran Contra hearings? His whole term was an acting gig.

[never cry wolf]

44. Thanks for sharing that story

I enjoyed it. Keep that tape in a safe place, sure would look nice on CNN.

[Serenity-NOW]

53. Glad you enjoyed the recounting

Tape's safe, an old friend has it in a vault for me because I had a kind of nomadic streak at the time. Have camera will travel I used to say.

Long story short of the three prez's on that job:

1) Reagan - kindly old dodderer
2) Ford - cranky old snit
3) Carter - Peaceful, open, friendly guy. He was a bit nervous about the time we needed since he had to teach a class that night. As he said "I can't be late since Amy's in the class and that just wouldn't look good". Get that, he's more concerned about lecturing at his daughter's class then he is about the President of the World Bank. My kinda guy.

Carter is also the only one of these three to reject a lifetime Secret Service detail. I'm not sure if he had any security at all but I do know the Georgia Peach who was his assistant had the most inviting voice and demeanor- total foxy lady. Mmmmmmmmm, peaches. The whole gang at the Carter Center was the most hospitable group my producer and I came across on that gig. I've been fond of Georgia ever since.

[salin]

58. Thanks for sharing the recollections

lets us get a sense, vicariously. And I agree... keep those tapes - I bet that they are interesting viewing.

[The Backlash Cometh]

46. Er... no. even some of us real centrists didn't care much for him

*

[kskiska]

47. I was traveling in Europe during Raygun's term

and it was a constant embarrassment to have to explain him. He was a huge joke over there.

[mitchum]

48. Piss on Reagan...I despise the shell of a man

[opihimoimoi]

51. RR was a lolo. He was a puppet just as much as * is today.

Fuck um both.

[indigo32]

52. yeah right

and I got a bridge to sell ya Chris.

[guitar man]

54. Fuck that shit

I damn near starved to death during RR's misadministration. Reagan can go to hell for all I care.

[dawn]

55. I was a young teen during Reagan.

I didn't like him very much, even though I didn't know too much about him. And all the punk bands I liked despised him. :)

The only thing I noticed was how much the press focused on his love of jelly bellies.

[not systems]

57. He gave me nightmares as a teenager.

No. I don't like him.

Bush is worse he gives me nightmares as an adult.

[Dulcinea]

59. To me Reagan will always be the guy who cut student loans.

I didn't like his policies, & I wouldn't wish Alzheimer's on anyone (my MIL has it, & it's a living hell), but at least he could form a coherent sentence & properly pronounce the word "nuclear."

I didn't actively despise him the way I despise that wretched no-talent ignoramus that Scalia et al. foisted on us. I can't wait for Boy George to crack up, which I think will happen between now & November.

[RebelOne]

60. Not this liberal. I hated him about as much as I hate Bush.

[Hubert Flottz]

61. That's why the idiot is a repub!

And must be too stupid to know it! If Tweety is a liberal, then I'm a Chinese Astronaut! He threw so many jabs at EVERY democrat candidate in his primary election coverage, that anyone who would believe Chris would EVER think like a liberal, is as stupid as Chris is! He never stopped beating up on our guys every time he opened his @#%# %$#@&* all night long! So how could anyone believe that the liar would ever think anything but, UNCLEAN GOPer thoughts!

I got so mad I just turned off my TV and I made up my mind to never watch NBC, or MSNBC again! Chris is a classic GOPer MOLE! How any thinking person could believe Chris is anything, but part of the Republicon/Rove propaganda team, is beyond all comprehension!

[Norquist Nemesis]

62. Surprised Tweety Adores Reagan

since he put him out of a job. That's what I told my husband last night. Then my DH asked me why I don't like Reagan. I told him that it was mainly because we were too far down on the food chain to benefit from any of his trickle down economics and it made it just too damned hard!!!

[Loonman]

63. Reagan, that son-of-bitch

I hope he burns in Hell.

[noonwitch]

64. Only in comparison to dubya

I loathe RR, but W makes him look like a genius.

[EV1Ltimm]

66. I like Reagan impersonations. Does that count?

[rman]

67. Reagan is popular only with the neo-Reaganites (=neocons)

-

[peekaloo]

68. Well...........

I do like vegetables! Particularly ketchup.


:evilgrin:

[sendero]

69. The deification...

... of "catsup is a vegetable", "trees cause pollution", "I was out of the loop", "the bombing starts in..." etc etc etc continues apace.

Compared to Bush*, Reagan was ok. Compared to a good president, he was crap.

[PVnRT]

70. Fuck no

Reagan is a worthless piece of dogshit.

[Plaid Adder]

71. Pityin' ain't likin'.

Yes, it's too bad he's got Alzheimers, that's a horrible thing for anyone to go through. Plus I don't hold him personally responsible for the crap that happened in his second term, when IMHO the Alzheimer's was already kicking in. But I ain't never gonna *like* him.

Puah,

The Plaid Adder

[ProfessorGAC]

72. Second Worst President In 70 Years

His administration was horrible. An economic policy so flawed it almost ruined the country. An entire foreign and domestic policy based upon lies and an untenable fear of communism. (Like it was ever coming here!)

He was a terrible president and the longer time goes on, the lower historians will rate him, no matter how many buildings and ships have his name on them.
The Professor

[bearfartinthewoods]

74. your quote is wrong. i think he said even liberals have to admit that

he is admired.

[Generic Other]

76. By idiots

but who's counting?

[nostamj]

77. maybe, way too late to edit.

i was in a 'state' last night. sorry.

but the tone was still 'you can't criticize RR'...

[Skittles]

75. I saw through that phony bastard Reagan from day one

he was apalling. Tweey is WRONG.

[progressiverealist]

78. listening to Bruce Cockburn in my office, I am reminded

about what 8 years of Reagan were like.

Reagan was a terrible, evil, stupid man. I would never wish Alzheimer's on anybody but I find it very difficult- actually impossible- to feel compassion for one who caused the deaths of so many central americans in the name of stopping communism.

"if I had a rocket launcher..."


note to Mr/Ms. FBI person reading this: that's a line from a song, not a threat or plan of any kind.

[leesa]

80. Tweety off the mark, as usual

Reagan is the one who kicked off this nightmare of deregulation and privitization. He is the reason people like Tweety have TV shows where they spew ignorance. Reagan is the one that started the downfall of American journalism by deregulating the FCC which allowed neanderthals like Murdoch to create Faux and turned CNN and all the others into neocon whores.

And the treasonous crime of Iran-Contra...need anyone say more. I'm sure Reagan didn't understand any of it because he was dumb as a rock, but, technically, he was still "in charge".

[Dr Fate]

81. It's the media's job to define us as they want us to be seen...

...you have not figured that out yet?

[fob]

82. On the birthday of that said demonic individual, and as a democrat

and a liberal, I hereby declare tweety should shut the fuck up and I do NOT like raygun!

[yellowcanine]

84. No, Chris they don't.

Since when do you get to tell us what we think?
I "like" Reagan because he is a human being but that is as far as it goes.
He was a fraud who caused much harm to our country. Just one example - his cuts were mostly responsible for the "deinstitutionalization" of many mentally ill people who ended up on the streets and many have died there and are still dying there.

[NeonLX]

85. Tweety's been inhaling too much model airplane glue again.

Intercourse you, Chris Matthews. Who cares what your rich ass thinks?

[yellowcanine]

86. I had my first suspicions about Tweety

back in 1992 when he insisted that "Potatoe" Quayle had done better than Gore in their debate - all Quayle did was rant and interrupt. If you all remember - that was also the debate where Perot's running mate, Admiral Stockdale said "Who am I and why am I here?" Still a good question for all of us to ask ourselves from time to time.

[Blue-Jay]

87. Speak for yourself, you ass.

More and more often, I hear idiots such as Tweety. Flush, Hannity, and the rest of those dopes telling people what "liberals" think. Everything from "Liberals don't respect marraige" to "Liberals don't want you to know they're actually liberal", et al. SFTU, you idiots.

[opihimoimoi]

88. These Pubs are SOOO desperate for Heros they latch on to the nearest thing

The Pubs prove themselves to be Deluded once more. The Spin goes on.

[rman]

89. when will he say: "even repubs have to admit they hate Bush"

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