Will " * " plant WMD's in Iraq?

[grisvador]

Is it just me but it seems to me the only way to make Iraq go away in the General Election, WMD must be found before November.

The message today is they haven't been found yet. Tenet "work is 85% complete & there was no intelligence failure" Bush "WMD have not been found YET!"

Would anybody believe it if weapons were to be found now? How hard would it be for "*" to manufacture evidence of WMD? Would the administration stoop to this to win the election?

I don't want to seem paranoid but they have lied to us already and stolen an election.

[proud patriot]

1. He'll have to do it with his own hands

Cause the CIA isn't going to help him.

[burrowowl]

2. Well, it would be

one way of getting rid of the ageing overstock we have here in the U$.
I would not be surprised. They are always looking for dumping grounds.

[nostamj]

3. no no no no no

the weapons would have chemical 'markers' and he'd never get away with it.

read all you can of Scott Ritter and you'll understand exactly why 'planting' is not a viable option.

[RapidCreek]

6. Of course it's a viable option!

Boy I'll tell you what...if you ever want to beat republicans you better quit with the naiveté.

The US admittedly had spies in Iraq masquerading as weapons inspectors up until 98. Weapons of mass destruction were being "destroyed" up until 98. PNAC was planning on invading Iraq and selecting George Bush as President long before 98. If you think for a second "discovered" weapons were not moved and planted then you are a babe in the woods. The US supplied the bacteriological and fungal seed cultures for many of those "discovered and destroyed" weapons back in the 80's. There are photos and movies of none other than Donald "we know where the weapons are" Rumsfeld shaking Hussein's hand shortly thereafter.

You better get real. For Christ's sake....why the hell do you think the American Public was treated to the dog and pony show Tenet put on today? "We're only 85% done looking" he said....remember that? Bush has been insulated and Tenet has accepted blame. Tenet and the CIA will be exonerated when the Weapons that were planted by us before the war, weapons manufactured in Iraq by Iraqi's, are discovered sometime before November. Everyone is a winner, Bush gets another four years, Tenet looks like the beleaguered heroic director of the CIA, Bechtel, Haliburton etc. etc. get rich! Democrats of course, will come off as crying, whining, politically motivated losers. The play has been written. The stage has been set. The actors are reading their lines and you think you are watching reality unfold. How sad.

If you don't think this will occur, I'd be willing to front some cash on a bet that it will. You game?

RC

[nostamj]

10. i will stand by Ritter (and others) assessment.

to do otherwise would indeed be naive.

ONLY bushco syncophants need convincing on WMD lies, finding a can of tainted tuna fish would satisfy them.

the rest of the world would laugh.

i put a penny in a 'special' box. it's YOURS if planted WMDs are believed.

p.s. the 'i am so much holier than thou' attitude does NOTHING for your 'argument'... :puke: look! there's no pentagon plane! CD in the South Tower!! nonsense. <feh!>

[TomNickell]

19. There are problems beyond chemical signatures...

Manufacture and transport would represent a very real risk of detection. Many people would be involved.

Planting the stuff so that it was not obviously planted would be very difficult and the story could unravel very quickly. Just watch 'Monk'.

There would have to be Iraqi documents and witnesses to explain how the stuff got there and didn't get found before.

It's not as impossible as disappearing jetliners or EarthQuake machines, but a very difficult and risky endeavour.

[RapidCreek]

26. As I stated...they have already been manufactured by Iraqi's in Iraq

and are already there...They were just "not discovered" prior to 1998. Do you recall Donald Rumsfeld stating that the United States alone had intelligence as to where the claimed WMD's were...but strangely refused to release that information to the UN? Why do you think Bushco was so interested in removing the UN inspectors from Iraq before they had completed their work? Why now do they want to keep UN inspectors out....but are more than happy to have US or "coalition" inspectors do the inspecting? Inspectors who are under the direct control of none other than Donald Rumsfeld?

RC

[TomNickell]

14. If it's so easy,

why hasn't it been done already?

Christ Jesus, Almighty! Use your freakin' head!

[nostamj]

20. "Use your freakin' head!"

thanks for the welcome jolt of sanity!

[RapidCreek]

23. Why hasn't it already been done?

because Democratic candidates would not have been given the opportunity to stick their feet in their mouths, now would they? Nor would those in congress who voted for the war resolution and now are stating they were mislead...a group which curiously seem to reside on only one side of the isle.

It's about timing....A wonderous vindication of Heir Bush in October would convince the vast majority of Americans that the Democracy was in good hands.

The sad thing is, is that Mr. Rove is smarter than most Democrats. He's two steps ahead at every turn....he can stay two steps ahead because he has everything planned out ahead of time ..and he's able to do so because Democrats have historically demonstrated an inability to think three steps ahead.

RC

[truizm]

25. Agreed.....

But I wouldn't be surprised if they're planted in Syria.

[Silverhair]

4. Can't be done.

There have been several threads on this topic. WMD's are able to be traced by chemical analysis that is much like a fingerprint. Any bogus WMD's would be spotted very quickly.

[eissa]

9. By who?

Who would be allowed to inspect them other than this administration and their cronies?

[TomNickell]

17. The World.

Unless any evidence is verified by independent experts, nobody will believe it.

The material and the whole story would also have to go through -our- military, cia etc. These groups have enough independence to make an obvious forgery very difficult.

At this point, trace quantities or rotting barrels aren't going to do the job, either.

Besides the chemical inspections, there would be the problem of transporting and hiding in a way that was not obvious. There would have to be some Iraqi paper trail and witness list to explain how the stuff got there. And manufacturing such nasty stuff woud require an industrial plant and a team of chemical engineers.

Perhaps not impossible, but a very difficult and risky undertaking.

[grisvador]

5. I thought a lot of things couldn't be done

But the biolical agents that Saddam had came from American labs. There are certainly plenty of shells that could be tainted. I know it would be difficult, but impossible? OK, I am paranoid.

[Kitsune]

7. Assuming they have to wheel bin Laden out of the meat locker early...

...I think they could and would do it. I mean, that's to say I don't think they would have any moral compunctions about doing so (given that this administration doesn't have any morals), and the ability to plant WMDs would certainly be within our technical abilities and such.

The question of identifying it, yes, that would be a problem for them, but with a media that just loves-- okay, I'm going to stop that sentence before I inflict a terrible mental image on you all. Anyway, with the media the way it is, I wouldn't be surprised if they said "OMFG WE FOUND MWD AND TEHN WE BURNED IT LOL!111" The media would probably eat it up and call it ice cream.

Like the subject header says, wouldn't make a half-bad October Surprise if they need to bring out bin Laden earlier than they anticipated to deflect all this AWOL talk.

[OneTwentyoNine]

8. Remember...that pasty white color of UBL is from his bad kidney......

Not from being on ice for months,move along...nothing to see here.


David

[reprehensor]

11. In a heartbeat.

[izzie]

12. If he can he will. But he has to get away with it.

I trust no one at the WH

[SaintLouisBlues]

13. They already tried and failed

Get me to a googlery.

On edit: here's the story:

Pentagon Whistleblower Reveals CIA/ DoD Fiascos
20.06.2003 <08:07>

In a world exclusive, Al Martin Raw.com has published a news story about a Department of Defense whistleblower who has revealed that a US covert operations team had planted "Weapons of Mass Destruction" (WMDs) in Iraq – then "lost" them when the team was killed by so-called "friendly fire."

snip

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/06/266752.shtml

[Kikosexy2]

15. Get ready for any of these....

scenarios to happen if Bush's numbers remain low or go way low:

Yes, WMDs may be planted--but a STOCKPILE (not just one or two) will have to be planted
for credibility.

or another terrorist attack in the U.S. by Sept or Oct.

or "look who we've found!" Osama is captured/pulled from a hole somewheres to look like a
capture.

or another election is stolen thru electronic voting.

so take your pick!

[newyawker99]

24. Hi Kikosexy2!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

16. Would this guy lie?

From Reuters earlier today:

"Central Intelligence Agency Director George Tenet looks on during his speech to students at Georgetown University in Washington, February 5, 2004. Tenet denied that his agency tailored information on weapons of mass destruction to build a case for war on Iraq, commenting 'No one told us what to say or how to say it."

[Malva Zebrina]

22. His speech certainly was interesting. I spent the whoe time trying to

figure our what his agenda was. It was not obvious. The entire thing was a total "epistomology" LOL

This is how Tenet has survived. No one really knows what he said. LOL

I have reports that he has trashed Bush with this speech and I have read reports that he has supported Bush with this speech.

and it is interesting. And I would think that Tenet is indeed, qualified for the job of the head of the CIA after watching and listening to this speech. I would hate to be married to this guy. ONe would never know what he meant when he said "I do"

Let us not depend upon him any longer.

If there is anything that will attest to the people of the US, it will be when they, in huge numbers, take to the streets to protest the shock and awe slaughter that was done by an idiot in chief in our name.

It will have to come to that because it does not seem that anyone is willing to call a spade and spade. They are concerned, it seems, about their own priviledgled and wealthy life style.

It is bordering upon a "common man" revolution here , it seems at times, to me.

Soon, there will be so many out of work and so many who have charged up the costs of their survival (that means food and shelter and clothing for themselves and their children) and who now cannot pay for the smallest part of it, that a total revolution is necessary and indeed, is immanent if Bush is allowed to be propelled once nore into the office of the Presidency.

Can that be so?

[RapidCreek]

28. You noticed that too eh?

Tenet spent an hour saying absolutely nothing. His speech was a masteful work of mind fucking.

RC

[0007]

18. They give it a shot, when it looks like they have nothing else to lose.

[leftofthedial]

21. too late now

it would be a transparent plant, even to the sheeple at this point.

[NNN0LHI]

27. I posted this earlier on another forum

Here is what I think we are up against this election


CIA Director Tenet on live right now building up the CIA and Bush. Also saying that all of the WMD's that Powell and Bush said Iraq had would fit into a couple of "small collage dorm rooms". A couple of months ago I heard some Republican hack say it would all fit into a garage. The WMD's are getting smaller and smaller. They are going to have to plant some sooner or later. Won't be huge amounts or nothing, but you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be enough to convince voters that it is enough to kill millions of people. Why would this be when we here at DU know it is all a set up you ask? It is because people want WMD's to be found. Thats right. They do. Just to ease their conscience and to prove America was right all along. They do not want to think about over 500 soldiers dying for nothing or to steal Iraq's oil. Nope, they don't. The sooner we all admit this the better off we will be. So any candidate who has made blanket statements like invading Iraq did not make us safer won't stand a chance against Bush in November. I may be wrong about all of this, but we had better be prepared for the worst.

Don

[grisvador]

29. Thanks for posting it here too

I think some people might see a small vial as justification now - not you or I, but its all Hannity needs to start a rant.