Iraq is safer now.

[ACPS65]

Apparently the new Repug talking point is, despite 500+ troops dead Iraq is a safer place and made Lybia give up their WMD program, etc. ,etc.

What do you say to that?

[Richardo]

1. Libya was backing off their WMD programs well before Iraq...

...even Blair said it was a triumph of diplomacy over force. From his statement:

This courageous decision by Colonel Gaddafi is an historic one. I applaud it.

It will make the region and the world more secure. It shows that problems of proliferation can, with good will, be tackled through discussion and engagement, to be followed up by the responsible international agencies. It demonstrates that countries can abandon programmes voluntarily and peacefully.

<snip>

Today's announcement shows that we can fight this menace through more than purely military means; that we can defeat it peacefully, if countries are prepared, in good faith, to work with the international community to dismantle such weapons.

[Sagan]

2. look at the thread directly below this one on the front page

The irony is unmistakeable.

[Skip Intro]

3. I think our party should point out over and over that bush lied

We should do it until the label sticks. Our party, our candidates, our eventual nominee.

All this doubletalk and retro-justification (not all coming from repugs, btw) should be met with one word - liar.

Over and over. Because its the truth. And no amount of rationalizing now will change that.

Bush lied to the nation.

Bush is a liar.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

4. That's nice that Iraq is safer and all...

But we're not.

[wuushew]

5. Why doesn't someone just ask Khadafi?

Impartial BBC reporter
Mr. Khadafi what were your reasons for seeking the end of your WMD program?

Khadafi
Libya for many years has sought to return to the world communtiy and engage in benefitial economic transactions with other countries, to this end our abandonment of WMD development is part of that process and not the result of American coercision.

Right-wing
Lies, Lies! Libya is evil cause Saint Raygun told me so!!

[fob]

6. Why don't they have the repugnican national convention in Baghdad

or the area around Tikrit then?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

7. Can we continue bombing if that happens? (nt)

[KissMyAsscroft]

8. Totally wrong.

Lybia wanted improved relations with us years ago but Clinton would not allow it until the Lockerbie bombing issue was resolved. Bush took the same stance.

So yeah, just more Bush admin bullshit of tying things together that don't have any connection.

[wadestock]

9. Carefully crafted "concept reversals" are being generated.....

The republican war machine is going into the war mode....

They will infiltrate the media with statements, sound bites, and carefully crafted thought implanting techniques to get people to accept the reverse of the truth.

It's a technique that Rush Limbaugh has guided them on for years now. If you listen to them, they have organized around much of what Limbaugh airs in recent broadcasts.

My favorite one that they have promoted and which Limbaugh started perhaps a few years ago is:

"They just don't have any message".
"You know...you listen to them and you sit there thinking....what exactly are you trying to say. Do these people have any morals...etc....."

People who drive home from work who are tired, overworked, frustrated, and don't have time to think through the issues are prey for this onslaught of brainwashing.

[never cry wolf]

11. You are correct, and it is all coordinated...

...someone posted this last week, it is very telling.

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml

[Jax]

10. Will it be 'safer' 'better' for Iraqi women?

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/033/wash/Iraqi_women_could_lose_rights_:.shtml

snip...

" Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., said that in the newspaper piece, Wolfowitz ''gushed over efforts to assist women in Iraq, but failed to mention the pending reversal of women's rights laws on June 30.''

''I would hope that Mr. Wolfowitz and this administration aren't viewing this situation through rose-colored glasses,'' she said in a press release issued with the letter to Bush.

''There is a women's rights crisis on the horizon in Iraq, and we must take action while we still have a say in the matter,'' Maloney said. "

Oh right these are repubs who are saying Iraq is safer. To hell with the women and their rights...

Thanks to JudiLynn from this LBN thread for bringing this article to my attention in the first place.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=343703#344281

Jax

[durutti]

12. Two Points

1. I didn't know it was the responsibility of the American military to make other countries safe.

2. In any case, Iraq isn't safe. It's on the verge of civil war.

[Columbia]

14. From Pres' speech

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

[Skittles]

13. ASK THE SOLDIERS IN IRAQ HOW "SAFE" THEY FEEL

WHAT UTTER F***ING BULLSHIT