60 Minutes II didn't call Powell a liar just now.

[aquart]

They simply made the conclusion inescapable.

A man of honor would resign tomorrow.

Bet the lying lapdog Powell doesn't.

[Skinner]

1. That was stunning.

I turned on the computer to find out if anyone else saw that.

It really was as bad as we have been saying for months and months.

[Robbien]

3. Powell was told

no, the tubes were not for nuclear processing
no, the satellite pictures did not prove WMD programming
no, the trucks were just fire trucks

But Powell used all this any way. WOW!

[G_j]

13. so the question arises

Why? Why did he knowingly lie?
Of course he wasn't acting as a loose cannon he must have had a directive.

I suppose Cheney and Bush will try to hang him out to dry too, but Bush also presented some of those same falsehoods. Did no one bother to tell him the aluminum tubes were not for WMD?

[KG]

18. Why did he knowingly lie?

because he is a RW errand boy. has been his entire career.

he is totally devoid of the 'honor and integrity' it take to take a stand and do the right thing.

[hlthe2b]

22. Why did he lie and cover up the Mai Lai massacre?

Always a slave to duty, I guess....


(I'm sad that the double entendre I just used appears so very appropriate.)

[9215]

41. Yep, same question. Makes him look like someone who

takes orders and obeys them no matter what. Treasury Sect. O'Neill bailed out, but Powell joined in the lies. Just like at My Lai.

[DemoTex]

51. Never, ever forget My Lai

Never, ever forget who did it. Us.

[G_j]

24. basically

I was inferring that I don't think he took it upon himself to decide this, thus the next obvious question who directed him? (of course we know it probably came from Cheney)

Sort of following the Watergate scenario..

[KG]

26. cheney told him to go to the UN and lie his ass off and that's what he did

[blondeatlast]

31. It was obvious then that he was lying--and that he was forced

too do so.

It made me literally sick to my stomach, that's why I remember it so well!

[G_j]

32. impeachment

as it all unravels the case gets clearer.

[K8-EEE]

47. But Isn't Lying About Terrorists/WMD A Patriot Act Violation?

BOOK HIM, DAN-O!

[alfredo]

48. Remember the thing where he read the speech and

said, "this is bullshit"? He compromised himself. Do they have something on him or is he really that weak?

[kalian]

7. And this is only the tip of the iceberg....

[qanda]

43. Yes, it was very stunning.

Half way through it, my hubby asked if I was taping it. Unfortunately, I wasn't because it will probably never be repeated. The way our heads were going it looked like we were watching a tennis match-- just shameful!

[indepat]

58. And maybe worse: there may not be enough fingers to plug all the holes

in their dike.

[joeybee12]

2. The media makes excuses over and over for this sorry SOB

Wonder when they'll finally stop.

[Sophree]

21. It looks like they just did. (eom)

[MidwestTransplant]

4. What exactly happened?

[Wickerman]

5. yep, fill us in

:bounce:

[CatWoman]

35. They have the story and video up at the 60 minutes II website

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60II/main3475.shtml

[aquart]

6. "Faith-based Intelligence"

Sixty Minutes interviewed the high security clearance guys who told Powell it was all bunk and one of them had the line of the day: "Faith-based Intelligence" because he believes the decision was made to go to war and the intel was tailored to fit that conclusion.

It was a slaughter.

[Robbien]

9. Short summary

Greg Tiellman(sp?), Powell's senior WMD intelligence analyst, said Powell was told a year before his prewar speech that there were no WMD in Iraq. Was told that the tubes were not for nuclear processing and was told that the satellite pictures were not proof of any WMD programs. Greg said part of the blame should be on the intelligence, but the major blame should be on the senior officials.

He also talked about the Chalabi intelligence group.

Good program. Just one year too late.

[Emboldened Chimp]

11. Tiellman also said

that Saddam wasn't even an imminent threat to his neighbors, let alone us.

[Robbien]

12. That's right

Also, that scientist who examined the tubes for Powell said that he knew no weapons expert who would ever say the tubes would work in a nuclear program, they would leak. So Powell lied when he said there was some expert dispute. The only one that disputed it was Bush&Co.

[TheDebbieDee]

17. I didn't realize til early last summer..............

that this was the reason that Isreal hadn't attacked Iraq before we could invade. Isreal will attack any neighbor that it considers a threat.

The Isrealis don't have War Resolutions or petition the UN for support or debate for weeks on end whether or not to invade or attack. If Isreal feels threatened, Isreal defends itself - and they don't care much about their image, either. Isreal could pretty much give less than a damn about a Zogby or Gallup Poll.

Isreal knew that Iraq wasn't a threat. I'd bet my last bit of money that their intelligence on their Arab neighbors is more accurate than the rest of the world's intelligence combined.

Impeach the bastard, already!

[maggrwaggr]

46. funny, Powell said the exact same thing in Spring of 2001

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/933.htm

"And frankly the sanctions have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. "

You don't have much more of a smoking gun than that.

[9215]

44. Thielman has been hammering away at this for over a year.

He was on Bill Moyers NOW.

Highly intelligent and gutsy. He was saying this when saying this wasn't cool ...., uh, cool outside of DU that is.

[truthspeaker]

59. "Frontline" had all this last fall

But more people watch 60 minutes, so I'm glad they're FINALLY getting with the program.

All this information was out there right after Powell's speech to the UN - but only in the print media.

[Skinner]

8. Unfortunately, the 60 Minutes II website doesnt' have much

Here's the page for the story

"The Man Who Knew"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/14/60II/main577975.shtml

They've got a little snippet of video, but I couldn't find a transcript.

[hlthe2b]

27. I think that basically IS the transcript.... It seemed complete to me..

[never cry wolf]

37. Hunh, They must have just put it up

It wasn't there earlier.

[Mari333]

10. dang! and I turned off the TV

anyone who gets the whole transcript please post asap

[madrchsod]

14. wasn`t it reported that

Powell called the report he read bullshit or something but went ahead anyway?

[never cry wolf]

16. He called the original script from cheney bullshit

and had his own guys go thru it to "clean it up." Guess he didn't vet well enough, huh?

[Stephanie]

28. YES. Here:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/060403B.shtml

Powell was Under Pressure to Use Shaky Intelligence on Iraq: Report
Agence France Presse

Friday 30 May 2003

US News and World Report magazine said the first draft of the speech was prepared for Powell by Vice President Richard Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, in late January.

According to the report, the draft contained such questionable material that Powell lost his temper, throwing several pages in the air and declaring, "I'm not reading this. This is bullshit."

Cheney's aides wanted Powell to include in his presentation information that Iraq has purchased computer software that would allow it to plan an attack on the United States, an allegation that was not supported by the CIA, US News reported.

The White House also pressed Powell to include charges that the suspected leader of the September 11 hijackers, Mohammed Atta, had met in Prague with an Iraqi intelligence officer prior to the attacks, despite a refusal by US and European intelligence agencies to confirm the meeting, the magazine said.

The pressure forced Powell to appoint his own review team that met several times with Central Intelligence Agency Director George Tenet and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice to prepare the speech, in which the secretary of state accused Iraq of hiding tonnes of biological and chemical weapons.

US News also said that the Defense Intelligence Agency had issued a classified assessment of Iraq's chemical weapons program last September, arguing that "there is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons."

However, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress shortly after that that the Iraqi "regime has amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of chemical weapons, including VX, sarin, cyclosarin, and mustard gas," according to the report.


(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)

[Beetwasher]

15. Thielman Was on Aaron Brown Too Recently

This guy blows the whole thing wide open. I'm glad CBS is covering this. This guy needs to be on every show on the planet.

[Snappy]

19. Powell is a Disgrace.

Powell is a disgrace to the World, America and the US Military.
Powell sold his soul, dignity and credibilty.

[PsN2Wind]

33. And yet

Even after all the lies are exposed, he stands there and says Bush did the right thing because "blah, blah, blah etc."

[Nomad559]

20. I will record It

And post It for those that missed It.

[KC21304]

23. Thank you, I would appreciate it very much.

Sounds like things are really starting to rumble.

[Nlighten1]

25. I missed it. I can host it if you want.

Let me know when it is done and I can put it up on muh website.

[Nomad559]

34. 60 Minutes 2

It will be a little while before It's done, It's 6:45 PM here In California.
60 Minutes 2 starts at 8:00.

[MoonAndSun]

29. I just saw the story here in Arizona,

Powell needs to submit his resignation, and if he doesn't, the Dem leadership needs to pound this until he does.

And I want every Congressperson who voted for the IWR to denounce Powell and bush*!!

Yeah, and I hope I win the lottery tomorrow.

[blondeatlast]

30. I watched his testimony before the UNSC. It was obvious that he KNEW

he was lying then. He seemed very uncomfortable.

Missed the 60 Mins. 2 piece--damn.

[theoceansnerves]

36. o'reilly

think o'reilly will bring this up on his program tomorrow?

[kskiska]

38. As I remember it, Powell was against the war

then all of a sudden did a 180. Then there was the "bullshit" story just before his U.N. appearance.

Powell is history come November, one way or another. Will he tell his tale? Depends on how angry he gets after stewing over it once he's out.

[Catherine Vincent]

39. Crap! What did I miss?

[Hubert Flottz]

40. CBS is getting even with Powell's kid over the big pending fine!

I hope it turns in to an all-out brawl between CBS and the Bushco Crime Family! Dan Rather has been the most honest person in the media about Bushco/Halliburton's evil deeds in Iraq!

[Stephanie]

42. "I'm not reading this. This is bullshit." - REPORTED JUNE '03

Powell's doubts over CIA intelligence on Iraq prompted him to set up secret review
Specialists removed questionable evidence about weapons from draft of secretary of state's speech to UN
Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington and Richard Norton-Taylor
Monday June 2, 2003
The Guardian

Fresh evidence emerged last night that Colin Powell, the US secretary of state, was so disturbed about questionable American intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction that he assembled a secret team to review the information he was given before he made a crucial speech to the UN security council on February 5.

Mr Powell conducted a full-dress rehearsal of the speech on the eve of the session at his suite in the Waldorf Astoria, his New York base when he is on UN business, according to the authoritative US News and World Report.

Much of the initial information for Mr Powell's speech to the UN was provided by the Pentagon, where Paul Wolfowitz, the US deputy defence secretary, set up a special unit, the Office of Special Plans, to counter the uncertainty of the CIA's intelligence on Iraq.

Mr Powell's team removed dozens of pages of alleged evidence about Iraq's banned weapons and ties to terrorists from a draft of his speech, US News and World Report says today. At one point, he became so angry at the lack of adequate sourcing to intelligence claims that he declared: "I'm not reading this. This is bullshit," according to the magazine.

Presented with a script for his speech, Mr Powell suspected that Washington hawks were "cherry picking", the US magazine Newsweek also reports today. Greg Theilmann, a recently retired state department intelligence analyst directly involved in assessing the Iraqi threat, says that inside the Bush administration "there is a lot of sorrow and anger at the way intelligence was misused".

<more>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,968581,00.html

[soup]

45. Was this program a rerun?

or delayed until now?

Asking because this article written on Wed. 15 Oct 2003 covers almost everything Mr. Thielman said on the program tonight - and makes a reference to the program being aired-

----------

>snip< Mr Thielmann made the claims on the CBS 60 Minutes II programme, which will be shown on US television tonight.

He said: “I think my conclusion (about Powell’s speech) now is that it’s probably one of the low points in his long distinguished service to the nation.

“The main problem was that the senior administration officials have what I call faith-based intelligence.

“They knew what they wanted the intelligence to show.

“They were really blind and deaf to any kind of countervailing information the intelligence community would produce.”
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2055017

----------

Note: if you don't get a chance to watch the program, this article is definitely worth a read.

[Oilwellian]

49. Yes, it was a rerun

I remember seeing the same interview with Thielman last summer on 60 Minutes Sunday. 60 Minutes commentary was updated though to include recent events surrounding this issue.

Thielman was also interviewed in an excellent Frontline documentary titled "Truth, War & Consequences. You can view it http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/">here.

[soup]

57. Thank you for the link.

The page didn't open correctly - for some reason it shows a double http://, but I figured it out.

Not going to watch it right now, it's bookmarked for later today. It's just too early in the day to add to the frustration of anger, helplessness and sadness still lingering from the small part of the 60 Minutes II interview I caught last night.

Thanks again.

[ecstatic]

50. Do they have something on Powell?

I remember rumors about Powell possibly resigning several years ago. Suddenly he stayed put.

I can't stand what Powell has done, but out of everyone in Bush's evil admin, he is the only one that slips up and tells the truth every now and then.

He said there were probably no WMDs in 2001, he said the same thing the other day. He obviously didn't even want to bother with presenting the evidence to the UN. He also was the only one in the admin who wanted to use diplomacy rather than race into Iraq.

His collaboration in this right-wing conspiracy does not fit the positive image I had formed of him in the past (while seeing him on MTV, etc.). Hopefully he will redeem himself by coming forward in late October and exposing all of W's lies.

[Robin Hood]

52. He ought to be a shamed for putting his fellow military men at risk.

He is an accomplice to murder.

[Kanary]

53. I want to rejoice that the obvious is finally being broadcast

Then I remember all the dead; the maimed children in Iraq; the loss of the antiquities of that country; the US and allied soldiers who will come back changed people; the suicides; and much more.

All those remembrances make it impossible for me to rejoice.

It's time for some justice.

Kanary

[Nlighten1]

54. Anyone have this video yet?

[Nomad559]

55. I posted It

here

[0007]

56. The Case against Colin Powell has been out for quiet awhile

Read this powerfully article about Colin Powell and tell me why this guy should not be thrown out of office with junior and Cheney.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/122600-103.htm