Bush's Pay Records During AWOL?

[ThomWV]

I was in the Army from 1966 until 1970. A couple of years ago I asked for some pay informaton needed for retirement purposes. The request got mixed up and what I was sent from the Army was a copy of every single pay stub I had received during the full 4 years of my service. The military is exact in its record keeping and they do not loose a thing.

Guard troops get paid. They get paid for the drills they attend. If Bush attended any drills he would have been paid and there will be pay stubs for those months. Also, during that year he would have been required to serve for a couple of weeks of uninterupted training time. He would have been paid for that as well. If he doesn't have a copy of the pay stubs that would be understandable, but those records have to exist.

This is the way to nail him. If no record of his having been paid for attendence the only reasonable conclusion anyone can draw is that he did not attend.

Thom

[rumguy]

1. good idea

how could someone get their hands on those pay records?

[TexasPatriot]

2. Expect a mysterious fire at the records facility

within the next 24 hours

[aquart]

8. No need. Been sanitized for the Presidency.

Buzzflash had a repost of the story up this morning but I can't find it now.

[Stephanie]

18. Bill Burkett

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Bill Burkett:

May 28, 2002
A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

Pausing to Reflect After Memorial Day: Were George W. Bush's National Guard Records Scrubbed? Bill Burkett Should Know. The Nation Deserves the Truth.

(See http://199.96.2.183/contributors/2002/05/24_supreme.html to understand the context of this letter to BuzzFlash.com from Bill Burkett. It is also recommended that you read these two important postings from the Democrats.com archives: http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=171 and
http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154)

Additional BuzzFlash Note: Major General Daniel James was head of the Texas National Guard at the time of the alleged scrubbing of George W. Bush's National Guard records. He was appointed by George W. Bush to be commander of the nation's Air National Guard -- and was confirmed by the Senate last week.

A Letter to BuzzFlash.com from Bill Burkett, formerly of the Texas National Guard:

In regards to the BuzzFlash contibutor piece, "SUPREME IRONY" (http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/05/24_Supreme.html)

This BuzzFlash reader gets it closer to right than anyone has since 1998 when I broke the Bush AWOL story as a whistleblower.

I hope that more information will be coming soon as a few journalists are now asking questions that should have been asked in 1998.

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/2002/05/28_Scrubbed.html

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Also from the Veterans for Peace website:

What do you say?
By Bill Burkett
Online Journal Contributing Writer

March 19, 2003—I've sat in total grief for the past three years, watching the institutions of America being spent as if they were lottery winnings.

I don't want to say it, "But I told you so."

In January of 1998 and what seems like a full lifetime ago, I was stricken by a deadly case of meningoencephalitis. I was returning from a short duty trip to Panama as a team chief to inspect the hand over of Ft. Clayton to the Panamanians. I had been 'loaned' from the senior staff and state planning officer of the Texas National Guard to the Department of the Army for a series of these special projects after angering George W. Bush by refusing to falsify readiness information and reports; confronting a fraudulent funding scheme which kept 'ghost' soldiers on the books for additional funding, and refusing to alter official personnel records .

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/what_do_you_say_032203.htm

Who is Bill Burkett?

Lt. Col. Bill Burkett completed 28 years of decorated service and was medically retired from the US Army National Guard in 1998 after suffering meningoencephalitis on return from an assignment in Panama. From 1995 until his illness, Burkett served as State Plans Officer for the Texas Army National Guard and Governor George W. Bush. After refusing to follow direct orders involving falsifying readiness reports, Burkett sought "whistleblower" status for reports involving anti-Semitic activity; personnel fraud; readiness fraud and the alteration of the personal military file of Governor George W. Bush. Lt. Col. Burkett is currently the plaintiff in his appeal to the US Supreme Court in the case of Burkett v. Goodwin, Taliaferro, Meador, et al, in regard to the retaliation against him following breaking the Bush records issue. Lt. Col Burkett served as a War Plans Officer during Operation Desert Storm and functioned as a senior trainer in conducting simulations exercises for deploying troops.

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[PaDUer]

3. You're correct!! n/t

[alcuno]

4. Yeah but he's the POTUS. He can't obtain records.

Only ordinary citizens are able to obtain records.

[DrBB]

5. Sigh. Yup. But this has been pointed out again and again

All he has to do is have his pay records released. But HE has to allow it. And he doesn't.

Here's the question: has any other president in the last century NOT allowed his military records to be released? Bush could settle the issue in a minute. But he doesn't. What does that tell you?

[Another Bill C.]

6. Yup!

I just looked at my discharge folder and I have a record of my retirement points from 1955 to 1963. The government has to keep this information in order to compute retirement in a veteran's later years.

[ThomWV]

7. How About His Tax???

If he got paid he had to include that income on his taxes didn't he? Where are the tax records? Has he ever revield them, like during his failed Congressional run or when running for Governor?

So that leaves him in a bit of a quandry. If he says he served but the income isn't declaired then he is a tax evader. If he doesn't show the income and he's not a tax evader he is an AWOL. There is no space inbetween


Thom

[Nite Owl]

9. You are only required to keep

tax records for something like 3 yrs. Does the IRS keep records that far back? If so we need some patriotic IRS worker to do some research.

[ThomWV]

11. I Don't Care If Bush Doesn't Have Them

What I'm thinking is that they may be in some Federal Records Center somewhere just drawing dust. How about his state returns? Does Texas keep all this old stuff somewhere? How about when he ran for office, was there some kind of manditory disclosure? Are there records in some old electon fileings?

[RoeBear]

10. "There is no space inbetween"

Yes there is.... between his ears.

[question everything]

12. Yesterday on ABC News the reporter mentioned that the issue was raised

also in the 2000 race. I don't remember, does anyone?

Of course, back then military service and military action and photo ops wearing a flight suit were not an issue..

[deminflorida]

13. There's a record somewhere, and it's not good....

The military just does not loose archives. I'll bet you the answer is in Alabama somewhere, good-luck getting at them. They have Shelby over there.

[Bozita]

14. no show, no pay -- even for rich kids with influential families

[Philosophy]

15. Oops, then they must owe him back wages!

That's how Oh'Really would (not) spin it.

[Philosophy]

16. I wouldn't be surprised if he DID get paid

And he cashed the paychecks for work he never did. Which would be FRAUD.

Remember when the Pentagon admitted a couple of years ago that they couldn't account for a trillion dollars. Where do you think that money went?

edit:
Holy shit! I just looked that story up - it was actually $2.3 trillion and the day Rummy made that admission was September 10, 2001! :tinfoilhat:

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=982&fcategory_desc=Economy

[onecitizen]

17. This came up here a few months ago.........

so maybe whoever posted before will see your post and chime in. Keep it kicked.

[mrdmk]

19. Here is some more on these missing records

Talking Points Memo is having trouble sorting this out

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/002526.html

Here is a link embedded in Talking Points Memo

http://philcarter.blogspot.com/2004_02_01_philcarter_archive.html#107591570333210255

The Democrats in Congress are asleep at the wheel (another point well brought up)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1086582