A question for LIBERALS

[BOSSHOG]

Do you take umbrage at being belittled by a scum human being like ed gillespie. Ed says that John Kerry is more liberal than Ted Kennedy. What is wrong with that? Thank God for liberals in this country. Would you rather not sulk at that contrived insult and fire back? Engage your neocon acquaintances; look them in the eye, poke them in the chest, kick them in the ass. Ask them if they are as conservative as:

tom delay: A maggot who never served his country yet chooses to beat his breasts as if he were a hero. He is scum, yet a conservative icon.
trent lott: A racist in senators clothing. A person only conservatives could be proud of. He is scum, yet a conservative icon.
orrin hatch: A slick talking hypocritical "leader" in the senate who never met a neanderthal he would not confirm for a judgeship. He is scum, yet a conservative icon
rush limbaugh: A drug addict who thinks he is above the law. A man who could not make a living unless he was hating other human beings. He is scum, yet a conservative icon.

I could go on, but I invite you to add to the list.

YO Ed, I am a PROUD LIBERAL. Bring your Icons on.

Please, my fellow Americans, beat the bushes and bring the "proud conservatives" out of their klaverns. Embarrass the fuck out of the neanderthals. They want politics of confrontation - lets give it to em. All we'll be saving is the constitution (and the dumbasses from themselves).

[stepnw1f]

1. The Repugs don't stand a chance

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. I'm a liberal and would have tossed the tea

in the harbor with those other long-hair liberals.

Any time someone gives you crap over your liberal stature, you remind them that without liberals they'd be singing "God Save the Queen" at cricket matches these days.

[catzies]

14. Thanks for my new favorite quote, GPV!

I am borrowing that line and plan to use it LIBERALLY.

:evilgrin:

[tom_paine]

3. Not a liberal, more of a left-centrist

But HELL YES I take umbrage with that human garbage sack, Ed Gillespie!

[tom_paine]

23. Wow, I guess I triggered a storm -- re: shirking the Liberal Label

Let me say unequivocally that if I was a Liberal, I'd proudly shout it from the rooftops.

When discussing Liberals with Busheviks these days, I make it abundantly clear that I am proud of the Liberals and the Liberal Movement.

But my personal philosophy has always been Left-Centrist, and I have a distrust of both the Left and Right extremes as well as the knowledge that Liberalism can be as plagued with excess as any other movement. I have seen them and looked at University Liberals in the eye and had them behave exactly as you would expect Busheviks to behave when criticized (ie the bastards tried to fire me from my job with no cause in retaliation).

Places I disagree with most Liberals:

Guns
Immigration
Affirmative Action
Death Penalty

(I know there are a few others, but I can't think of 'em right now)

Given these ideologies and the others not listed, I cannot in good conscience lay claim to the title of Liberal. But, as I say to either True Conservatives or Totalitarian Busheviks, "It IS a noble title, though!"

Just thought I'd explain myself. I'm actually NOT a Liberal, but I'm damned proud of Liberal accomplishments and there is no doubt that when one looks at liberal accomplishments vs. liberal negatives (corruption, overkill, unexpected consequences) against conservative accomplishments vs. conservative negatives...

...for the moment it isn't even close. The Busheviks (who it could be argued aren't Conservatives anyway, but Imperial Orwellian Totalitarians) are scum. The worst perhaps in American History, but at least since the Wm. McKinley and US Grant administrations.

Having said all that, I would not wish the True Conservative thiking to vanish from the Earth anymore than I would want the Liberal thinking to do either.

I stand with the Founding Fathers, who believed in moderation by using competing passions to balance each other.

Hope that clarifies things.

[Nite Owl]

4. The shirking the 'Liberal" label

has got to stop. I feel like my head is going to explode when I see some dem on tv looking all shy and in denial when someone calls them a lib. I say just say 'Yes, I'm a liberal and proud of it'. Make the conservatives defend their positions. They have nothing real to offer this this country. Nothing. They can't use the old tax and spend anymore either. Someone used the term 'birth tax' inregard to the deficit. Hope it catches on, it puts things in perspctive.

[denverbill]

6. I'd never heard 'birth tax' before.

Can you explain the reference? I understand the 'death tax' thing, but what does the birth tax refer to?

Personally, I'd like to see some of our allegedly 'liberal' leaders stand up for American workers occasionally. They roll over and play dead when the pukies cut taxes on the idle rich (inheritance taxes, capital gains, dividends). They should be having a field day on Republicans wanting to tax the idle rich less than hard working Americans.

[Career Prole]

9. Birth Tax? I love it!

What a great name...if it refers as I'm assuming to the fact that our childrens' childrens' children will still be paying back the costs rung up by the Bush Follies!

[stevedeshazer]

18. Birth tax

The estimated population of the United States is 293,209,510
so each citizen's share of this debt is $23,866.39.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.69 billion per day since September 30, 2003!

Two days from now, our national debt will surpass SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS.

as of right now.

Who's gonna pay it off? We will, along with our kids, grandkids, and their grandkids.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

[ninkasi]

5. I'm proud to be a liberal

I would be ashamed to have anything to do with the conservatives. They are grasping, greedy, vicious, narrow minded creeps. I would far, far rather that any taxes I pay are used for the benefit of those who need help, than to illegally invade other countries.

Words simply fail me when I try to relate my contempt for neo-cons. To be truthfull, Kerry is probably not liberal enough for my personal taste, but I will vote for whichever candidate gets the Democratic nomination.

As far as shutting up and keeping a meek attitude, I can't do it. It's pretty obvious that for the past 3 years, our Democratic leaders have been far too passive, and not stood up to the Repukes. I think they might have finally gotten the message that the voters will no longer stand for their spinelessness.

[HootieMcBoob]

7. You can thank Liberals

I can't remember where I found this but...

"If your workplace is safe; if your children go to school rather than being forced into labor; if you are paid a living wage, including overtime; if you enjoy a 40-hour week and you are allowed to join a union to protect your rights -- you can thank liberals. If your food is not poisoned and your water is drinkable -- you can thank liberals. If your parents are eligible for Medicare and Social Security, so they can grow old in dignity without bankrupting your family -- you can thank liberals. If our rivers are getting cleaner and our air isn't black with pollution; if our wilderness is protected and our countryside is still green -- you can thank liberals. If people of all races can share the same public facilities; if everyone has the right to vote; if couples fall in love and marry regardless of race; if we have finally begun to transcend a segregated society -- you can thank liberals. Progressive innovations like those and so many others were achieved by long, difficult struggles against entrenched power. What defined conservatism, and conservatives, was their opposition to every one of those advances. The country we know and love today was built by those victories for liberalism -- with the support of the American people."

[Bandit]

8. Let them harp ~ Liberals are coming out in droves to vote.

The more they speak the more motivated we become.

[Trajan]

10. LIBERAL and Proud! ... damn straight ! ...

DONT tread on me ! ....

I have been SO disheartened ... for decades ..

MY party: ... did NOT respond to the cheap insults, and let the strawman of liberalism become the 'reality' of liberalism ...

Liberalism ? .. Your LIVING it ...

EVER institution of government today, from Child Labor Laws to the SEC, ... from the New Deal to The Great Society ...

ALL were wildly successful, beyond the dreams a human being could dream ...

FAILED Liberal agenda ? ..

Its a LIVING success ...

Liberalism ? .. Your LIVING it ! ....

Scream it from the rooftops, and do NOT shy from cheap insult : ... Im LIBERAL .. and Im P R O U D ! ....

[salin]

11. don't forget when refering to Tom DeLay and Military Service

to include his explanation why he and Dan Quayle didn't serve in Vietnam. They both wanted to - really. But the minorities had already taken up all the spots.

Yes - he said that.

[Toots]

19. I thought Quale served in the Guard?

I know Delay didn't serve because all the minorities had the place filled up and no room left for a white man, but Quale served in the Guard if I'm not mistaken.

[jmowreader]

24. Quayle did serve in the Guard

However, unlike another child of privilege we all know, he served faithfully and honorably.

Which, if I'm not mistaken, makes him a rare bird among contemporary right wingers.

[Brewman_Jax]

12. I stand also

Agreed, BOSSHOG!

I am one of the few liberal ex-officers I know. I got tired of being shouted down by the rabid right and their screwed up stances on issues, so I read and studied and studied and read. That's one of the reasons I signed on to DU for fast access to research material. Now, I say with conviction that I'm a liberal, and I am armed with the Hammer of Truth.

Instead of shirking, I can stand toe-to-toe with the neocons, rabid freepers, republican shills, RW hypocrites, the general clueless, pseudo-liberals, etc.

Tell ya this, it's fun to send them away thinking, or just send them away.

[Skittles]

13. It is time we took the liberal label back from these f***ing creeps

PROUD LIBERAL VETERAN HERE TOO, BOSSHOG.

[lapislzi]

15. Don't buy into their rhetoric

Just rise above it. The RW are the ones who made "liberal" a curse word, but it doesn't mean we have to go along with it.

If you let them control the language, you have already lost the debate.

We are PROGRESSIVE. And what does that make them? Why, REGRESSIVE, of course!

[librechik]

16. Liberals= Freedom Loving. Conservatives= Limits to Freedom (they set)

I HATE the way Pukes have degraded our language so much that if you truly love freedom without limits (except humanitarian ones) you are a craven hedonist, not just a normal American. This is a grave crime against our country that they seem quite proud and unrepentant about. IMO they are deluded, calculating fascists.

[RainDog]

17. I've been confronting them for two years

and I will not back down.

In fact, I was the only person at my forth of july parade with a hardback copy of Greg Palast's The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, who held it up throughout the parade and yelled "Bush stole the election. Bush is a fascist."

Now, of course, lots of others agree with me... :)

I'm a female, so in one way, it's easier for me to confront males, plus I look like the mommy I am.

Got to go now, haven't been to my weekly vigil for months now, but I found a sign I'd gotten before...

maybe you know it, the one with Bush's head looking like an open missile with the words, "Empty Warhead Found in the Whitehouse."

seems especially appropriate now.

[eissa]

20. Definition of liberal according to Webster:

Open-minded, moderate, noninterventionist, free thinking, tolerant.

Antonym: narrow-minded

What's the problem here? If * only argument against our nominee is that he is a liberal, then I say declare it loud and proud -- I'M A LIBERAL! And, btw, why aren't you?!

[brainwashed_youth]

21. I'm a rookie Democrat

but I will fight these repukes tooth and nail every step of the way for the rest of my life

[Kanary]

22. JFK's Speech on Being A Liberal

1960: JFK On Being A Liberal.

...if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new
ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people
-- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties
-- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad,

...if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal." ...

This is my political credo: I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

John F. Kennedy speaking to the Liberal Party of New York in 1960.