The 2004 Election has ALREADY been STOLEN!

[CaptainMidnight]

Gang,

Interesting threads here on the possibility of electronic voting fraud in the New Hampshire Primary:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1083554

and:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=215244

Some folks put forth the argument, "Wouldn't Bush rather run against Dean anyway," therefore, "Why rig the machines to favor Kerry?"

You're still making the assumption of "fair" elections and that we have a "choice."

Hell, just look at what the media did to Howard Dean. Iowa and New Hampshire were pitched to us as "The Rise of John Kerry." I didn't see that at all. I saw "The Media's Complete and Very Public 24/7 Trashing of Howard Dean." What did Kerry actually DO that was so great to suddenly make him leap forward 20-30 points almost overnight to the head of the pack?

What am I to believe, the US Media, or MY LYING EYES?

Last October, remember it was "Howard Dean is THE ONE!" "Howard Dean is the likely nominee!" And "Kerry is OVER." "Kerry has no message." Kerry fired his campaign manager. Well, right smack in the middle of this YES DEAN, NO KERRY orgy, Mike Ruppert of From The Wilderness PREDICTED KERRY WILL BE "THE ANNOINTED ONE; HOWARD DEAN WILL FADE."

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/102003_beyond_bush_2.html

How did Ruppert or anyone else "know?"

Kerry is Skull & Bones, Council on Foreign Relations, TriLateral Commission, Bilderberg. That's why.

Don't you get it? The "Masters Of The Universe" and the military-industrial-petroleum complex will thusly have "their man" in BOTH Republican and Democratic candidates.

IT'S DONE. Either way, they WIN. Now it's just a matter of who wants it "badder," Kerry or Bush? The REAL rulers of this country, the "Shadow Government" has accomplished it's goal already; now they'll just let the children fight it out until November.

Don't you get it? The 2004 Election has ALREADY been STOLEN!

Captain Mike

[Dookus]

1. actually

the BEST argument against the charge of vote fraud in New Hampshire is that the alleged evidence isn't evidence at all.

The entire debate is built upon the fact that different counties vounted differently. There's absolutely nothing unusual about that at all. There is NO evidence whatsoever that any sort of fraud occurred.

[JailForBush]

2. I don't know about the charges of voter fraud in New Hampshire, but I

agree that the election has been stolen. John Kerry's sheet keeps getting longer:

1. He's a member of the secretive, elitist Skull and Bones club.
2. He supported the invasion of Iraq.
3. He was endorsed by Governor Gary Locke, Maria Cantwell, etc.

That really got my attention. Governor Gary Locke doesn't make personal endorsements. Big Business tells him to endorse. Anyone who can't see that needs to do their homework.

I'm largely convinced that this presidential election is already over. That doesn't mean it's time to quite. On the contrary, I think we need to fight harder than ever to pump life into election campaigns that have for too long been ignored.

It's not just about the presidency!

[Andy_Stephenson]

3. My campaign for instance

www.andystephenson.com

[SheilaT]

4. I've been saying for months now

that polls showing anyone beating Bush assumes a fair, free, and honest election in November. But it's naive to think we'll have a free, fair, and honest election. There are so many ways it can be stolen. If I can think of several just off the top of my head, then surely guys who've been rigging elections for a living most of their lives can think of things I'd never dream of.

Let's start with this: Does anyone really believe the media will be fair to the eventual nominee? Or will he get scrutiny over totally trivial and irrelevant things while Bush continues to get a pass on major flaws? Yeah, that's what I think, too.

[Loonman]

5. Wow, the Dean folks are getting pretty pathetic

He ran out of steam, and nobody buys his rhetoric.


Deal with it.

[Moderator]

6. Locking

Rules to start discussion threads in the General Discussion forum

7. Discussion topics that mention any or all of the Democratic presidential primary candidates are not permitted in the General Discussion forum, and instead must be posted in the General Discussion: 2004 Primary forum.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation,
DU moderator