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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:32 AM
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Bush is Bullet-Proof
Sound defeatist? Yeah, probably. Is this constructive? No, I guess not.

But has this White House been held accountable for any of it's mind-boggling abuses?

Any one thing?

They turned record surpluses into record deficits? No consequences.

They piss on the Constitution? No consequences.

They ADMIT RESPONSIBILITY for phony nuke threats in the State of the Union speech. No consequences.

They lie us into an unnecessary war. No consequences.

They—

oh, what's the fucking point?

Yes, there is election 2004.

But what electronic trickery do they have up their sleeves?

Given the bizarro hell we seem to have fallen into, can anyone honestly say that a rigging of the election is implausible?

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:37 AM
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1. He just thinks he's bulletproof when he's drunk...
...or stoned on Haldol, like at the press conference yesterday.
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JustJoe Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:20 PM
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17. I dunno what Haldol is, but
I swear I watched that guy yesterday and was sure
he was on some kind of speed or mood-enhancing medication.
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:39 AM
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2. His numbers are lower than whale shit
The economy is not likely to recover for another year which will be too late to save him. The Iraq situation is turning into a quagmire. Right now, he is poised to be one-termer just like dear old dad. Unless things pickup for Bush soon, he won't even be pea shooter proof.
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THX1138 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:40 AM
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3. If the economy improves
And things calm down in Iraq they won't have to. Hell, one out of two even. I'm not usually one to cry in public, but I am starting to get awfully cynical about 04. GWB is like a little Georgie Minafer who never gets his comeuppance.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:42 AM
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4. bullet proof?
perhaps. but not pretzel-proof, me thinks. he can be beaten, he will be beaten.
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:49 AM
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9. His successor would only be marginally better, if at all.
Never mind whether or not bush himself is bullet-proof. What's more important is whether or not the kind of ideas he represents is bullet-proof.

Sadly, I believe they are. Look at Dean. He's almost as right-wing as bush, when it comes to the Bill of Rights, criminal law, and the criminal justice system.

The problem is a systemic one: any politician who could get anywhere near close to the front pages, is beholden to the financial power of corporate America.

Until we get rid of corporate dominance in elections, nothing is going to change much.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:45 AM
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No attack intended...but this is defeatist bullshit
and just plain wrong to boot. His numbers are dropping faster than teeth from a freepers mouth, Iraq is FUBAR and will remain so as every occupying force in history has learned, defense spending spiked the economy, both the dems and the media are starting to sprout tiny little spines, and more lies are being exposed on a daily basis.

I bet he's hovering just under fifty on election day--which means the election's gonna be close, but eminently winnable for us.
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MooPie Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:45 AM
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5. There's hope on the horizon
because last night on ABC news they parsed "W"'s press conference and using charts and statistics etc., essentially contradicted every point he made. I could not believe my ears and eyes. On "W"'s point about a weapons "program", they showed a clip of men in bio suits etc., and said no weapons of mass destruction have been found. When they got to the part when "W" said he would be in favor of a law that enforced marriage between a man and a woman, they said, "That law already exists, and it was signed into law by President Clinton." Six months ago, no one would have called him on his lies, spin, and exaggeration. Now they are.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:47 AM
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6. Geezzzz, thanx for the post.......
I didn't know any of that stuff.
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carolinayellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:48 AM
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That's what they said about his daddy
Hey, if you keep looking for something *outside* the BFEE that can bring it down, you'll stay endlessly frustrated. But the BFEE will ensure its own downfall, due to arrogance and incompetence. I feel a lot more confidence in the coming collapse of this administration than I do in the ability of our nation to recuperate from its arrogance and incompetence.
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:48 AM
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7. Yes, it is defeatist
and this attitude does nothing but help him. I think the last few weeks have proven that he is not bulletproof at all. In fact, he's quite vulnerable on many issues, including his so-called strength: foreign policy. Things are not likely to get better in Iraq, because our soldiers are becoming more aggressive, something that will only anger the Iraqis more than they are already. And the longer we stay, the more pissed they will be, especially when more of them realize that we don't intend to give them what we offered.

Election '04 is far, far away in political time. I think Chimpy's troubles are just beginning. But that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:49 AM
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8. It used to be uplifting to come here...........
Edited on Thu Jul-31-03 11:55 AM by onecitzenBtrayed
but lately, not so much.

We're gonna beat bush like a drum in '04.
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jagguy Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:49 AM
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10. so insted of trying to rely on sniping, we try leading insted
have our guys start getting their point out as to why they are a better choice not that he is a worse choice.

This negative shit does not work on the national stage.
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mreilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:54 AM
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11. I didn't think the first Bush would lose either
In the fall of 1992 I was convinced Bush would win. "Yeah, it'd be nice of Clinton got elected but that just isn't going to happen," was my calm refrain. I figured Bush would get re-elected because voters don't generally oust a sitting President, the Gulf War nonsense had painted him as such a "hero" and he was seen as having more experience than Clinton. When Clinton won I was flabbergasted, and it gave me hope for the future.

In retrospect, Bush the 1st lost because of the economy. In spite of all his faults and failures, if the economy had improved he'd have been re-elected. It's sad to say, but many people in this country don't give a shit about anything but their wallet, and they will vote for whomever they think will fatten that wallet some more. Pollution, scandals, dishonesty, war, these don't mean anything to the "gimme gimme gimmes" ask what their country can do for them. If Satan ran for President on a platform of repealing the income tax and executing nuns, these people will vote for Satan. This dismal component of the American voters will actually aid us in getting rid of this shitty administration. If the economy stays down, Bush the Second is gone. I'm sure he and his team of propagandizing thugs will engineer every excuse, distraction and "surprise" they can - namely, capturing Bin Laden in October of 2004 - but it will just be a frantic hand-waving "look at meeeee!" smokescreen. I truly believe there is a significant chance of getting rid of these rotten people next year.
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cjbuchanan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:58 AM
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12. They said the same thing about his father
At this point in the race and he was better then his son.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:58 AM
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13. Thanks, all
I'm just having one of those very pessimistic days. That was a defeatist post. It doesn't mean I'm giving up. Far from it. But, damn, I'm just floored by what these bastards are getting away with.

Thanks listening to my vent and setting me back on course!

GRRRRRRR!!!!
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:11 PM
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14. Time to "Pierce the Armor"
In his press circus yesterday, * took "responsibility for what he said in the SOTU. OK, he proved he can talk the talk.

But what he said in the SOTU was a pack of lies, calculated to con the Congress and the people into agreeing to go to war.

So let's start an avalanche of LTTEs demanding that he walk the walk and use some of the "honor" he supposedly restored to the White House, and RESIGN.
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dragonquest8 Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:37 PM
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15. Bush isn't bullet proof
the liberal media and the opposition party are too chicken to attack Chimpy the way Repukes did to Clinton.
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:16 PM
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16. TRANSLATION: Republican owned huge corporate media conglomerates...
Edited on Thu Jul-31-03 01:22 PM by Oracle
Where more than 85% of Americans get their news.

From the six Repupulican owned and editorial news organizations in existence in this county....

FOX, NBC,(CNBC & MSNBC) ABC,(ESPN) CBS, CNN,(CNN HEADLINE NEWS) AND CBN,(20 MILLION STRONG CHRISTIAN BROASTCAST NETWORK.)


They are Republicans organizations...that's fact. and they are going to do all they can to appear fair...but as we constantly see...they always protect Bush and the Republicans and push any story that may hurt Bush and the Republicans in the backround or it goes completely unreported.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:36 PM
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18. I still maintain...
....that if a strong presidential contender emerges from the Democratic party, Americans will see him as a lifeboat and glom on. They stick with Bush right now simply because there is no perceived alternative.

If Wesley Clark would start campaigning as a Democrat, Bush's numbers would be cut by another third, IMO.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:59 PM
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19. There won't be one magic bullet which brings this administration down
They are too disciplined to allow that to happen. All these things that happen to Bush chip away at the edges. The thing that will take him down will simply be that the THINGS HE STANDS FOR will be so out of synch with what Americans believe in that he will be resoundingly rejected at the polls in Nov 2004 -- and that will be the best outcome possible.

So, rather than put all your eggs in one scandal basket, each scandal should be related back to what it means in the context of what Republicans stand for, and what Republicans stand for should be the thing that's attacked.@
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