So many Dems speaking out on Bush's AWOL problem makes me wonder

[lancdem]

if they know Bush is really vulnerable, more than we even know. Think about it: We have Kerry, McAuliffe, etc. pushing this after Clark and Michael Moore got the ball rolling. This is a concerted effort, my friends. Just a few months ago, going after Bush on something like this would've been unthinkable. Something major is going on here.

[cid]

1. Yeah the usual, dems get a spine AFTER clark or dean

show them how.

[cprise]

2. It's the effect of Clark and Dean on the primaries

And I agree... this is not in character for the current Washington Democrats.

The primaries have been turned into a vehicle for forcing the discussion of some very embarassing issues.

[lancdem]

8. And I remember how Faux especially reamed Clark

and declared his candidacy dead after daring to defend Michael Moore.

[Must_B_Free]

3. Wolf asking "Is this fair?"

Ahhh hahaha!

It was fair for Clinton and Gore wasn't it? I guess it's not considered "fair" to mention your opponants weaknesses.

[xray s]

4. They are trying to crack Republican hold on military/military family vote

And by the WH response, I think we are succeeding.

[lancdem]

6. Good point

[xray s]

11. If we swing the military vote we could win big

A lot of military votes out there. It was no coincidence that Kerry launched his campaign in SC with his 'band of brothers'.

Swinging military votes could make FL/VA/AZ/NV/CO very competitive.

That would be interesting

[Taeger]

16. How do you know if the Pentagon's internet voting system if rigged?

How do you know if the Pentagon's internet voting system if rigged?

Simple, if those guys in Iraq vote for Bush, the Pentagon is rigging the vote. Those guys HATE Bush. They hate where they are. They hate the mess they are in. They hate Halliburton and Bechtel, the folks who are SUPPOSED to be providing adequate facilities. They hate that many of them were sent over WITHOUT modern body Armour. They hate that they Humvees aren't armored. They hate that the Pentagon is preventing MANY of them from leaving on their departure dates. They hate that they were told 6 months when many will end up pulling 2 YEARS in Iraq.

If these guys vote for Bush, you know the system is rigged.

[lastknowngood]

5. Dean gave them a set of

nuts.

[lancdem]

7. More like multiple sets

:)

[9215]

18. Agreed. n/t

[jansu]

9. Really need to thank Peter Jennings!

Moore and Clark really didn't have a thing to do with this being out there in the media, (yes, Moore mentioned the deserter word at a Clark rally, but most of us did not see it and it was not reported anywhere else, that I saw), it was Peter Jennings asking it at one of the debates. I was amazed! Jennings could have asked about it, without mentioning the Deserter word, but he showed some of the old reporter's honor in mentioning it. Or something else was going on.

Clinton was mentioned over 14,000 times for draft dodging, a perfectly legal move, but Bush was only mentioned 400+ times for his military record (and then they were only saying AWOL, not the true Desertion fact), the media always reported that this was not true.

Wonder why now? Maybe the powers that be, have decided it is time for him to go....wonder who we will get instead and if that person will change our country back to where we were at before this horror began?

[Marymarg]

10. I love Peter Jennings

He HATES Bush. And he knows how to safely get information out there.

When Bush was flying hither and yon on 9/11, Peter Jennings could hardly help spitting out words like "Where is the President?" He was so obviously disgusted, I just loved it.

[TacticalPeek]

12. Actually, it was more like an astounding 49 mentions, not 400+.

Wasting no time, delegate Charlie Cox from UAW Local 2162, who is a Vietnam veteran, set the tone by asking why George W. Bush got a free
ride from the media regarding reports that he was AWOL during most of the time he served in the National Guard during the Vietnam war.

"Let me give you some statistics," responded panelist Paul Begala, "I worked for Bill Clinton in 1992 and …in anticipation of this very question, I
looked this up on Nexis. There were 13,641 stories about Bill Clinton 'dodging the draft' …and there were 49 stories about Bush and the
National Guard," Begala said.

Conceding that Bush had generally gotten a "gentle ride" during the campaign from the press, Howard Fineman drew a loud protest from the
crowd when he suggested that the press wasn't as aggressive with regard to Bush because the scandals of the Clinton years had "exhausted"
the press and the public.

http://www.uaw.org/cap/01/news/day3media.html

[Taeger]

17. Did Fineman bother ...

Did Fineman bother to point out that ALMOST all of the Clinton "scandals" were bogus. The most bogus of all were the false allegations that Clinton staffers "trashed" the White House on their way out.

Seriously, we need a law concerning false reporting in this country. If they print a headline saying

"Clinton staffers trash White House before leaving"

the retraction should ALSO be a headline saying:

"Incoming Bush staffers LIED about Clinton trashing the White House"

Now THERE is scandal. A bald, open faced political lie. But the retractions always end up in fine print somewhere in section C.

EQUAL STATURE FOR RETRACTIONS!!!!!!

[jansu]

19. The courts have already ruled that there is no law

or rule or regulation which says that the media has to tell us the truth. They can lie all that they want.......and do!

[jansu]

20. You are right, I stand corrected!

Makes it even worse, doesn't it!

[girl gone mad]

13. You people are nuts.

Clark refused to roll over on Moore, and ABC news and every other major media outlet called Clark irresponsible, unethical, and out of the race.

ABC news and Peter Jennings are bigtime Bush apologists. Take a look at the way they covered the David Kay story if you need proof.

Clark and Moore deserve all the credit for giving this issue a platform. Michael Moore got coverage when he made those statements. Jennings tried to deflect them by calling them "irresponsible" and trying to bait Clark. He was probably hoping Clark would back away from them.

[TacticalPeek]

14. Joe on Jennings:

"What the Jennings episode validates is not Mr. Bush’s strange military career, but
the Bush method of press management. Treat journalists like vassals, with
nicknames, cheek-pinching and—whenever they forget their place
momentarily—sneering disdain. It works brilliantly."

http://www2.observer.com/observer/pages/conason.asp

[Marymarg]

15. Respectfully disagree

Peter Jennings hates Bush, I repeat. What he did added fuel to the fire and kept the story going. Good reporters can do that; they play devil's advocate in order to help get the facts out.

[Pathwalker]

21. Then you should have seen tonight's show.

Jennings & Moran just covered Srub's butt - BIG TIME!

[DemoTex]

22. Bu$h was given a "pass" in 2000.

Now the chickens (or chickenhawks, as it were) are coming home to roost.

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