Hannity Defends Bush By Calling Clinton a "Draft Dodger"

[CO Liberal]

Technically untrue - Bill Clinton had a hig lottery number, and was never subject to the draft.

But the Freepers will accept that as Gospel truth, because Insanity said it.

[ramapo]

1. What tired rhetoric...

What will Hannity do when he finds out Clinton isn't running this year?

[kanrok]

2. How old is Hannity?

Where was he during Viet Nam?

[RobertSeattle]

3. Chickenhawk

From: http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks%3BBarking%20Head%20Brigade

Name: Sean Hannity
Born: December, 1961
Employer: Rupert Murdoch
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: Plenty of guys his age were in Desert Storm - what's his excuse?

[stopthegop]

4. bogus accusation (IMO)

if there's not a draft to avoid, calling a man a chickenhawk is a cheap shot...besides, in Desert Storm he was 30, probably to old to enlist (not sure)

[RobertSeattle]

23. Here's the data

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/weekly/aa082701a.htm

Age. One would think that age would be a simple category. One is either old enough, or too old, right? Unfortunately, it doesn't quite work that way. By federal law (10 U.S.C., 510), the minimum age for enlistment in the United States Military is 17 (with parental consent) and the maximum age is 35. This is to ensure than anyone who enlists on active duty can be eligible for retirement (20 years of service) at the mandatory age of 55 (60 in some cases). However, DOD policy allows the individual services to specify the maximum age of enlistment based upon their own unique requirements. The individual services have set the following maximum ages for non-prior service enlistment:

Army - 34
Air Force - 27
Navy - 34
Marines - 28
Coast Guard - 27

[stopthegop]

24. ok...he could have enlisted but didn't..

not the same as 'dodging the draft'...have a good evening

[RobertSeattle]

28. Just being clear about definition of Chickenhawk

Chickenhawk n. A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal experience with war; most emphatically when that lack of experience came in spite of ample opportunity in that person’s youth.

[Old and In the Way]

39. Exactly the point.

Maybe Clinton didn't enlist, but neither did a vast majority of his peers. OTOH, you didn't see Bill prancing around on an Aircraft carrier or sending troops into war to liberate oil and help his political agenda. Of course, that distiction is lost on this blowhard.

[rasputin1952]

51. Sit down and take a breather!

Why is it that those who have NEVER served, are so willing to point out that others didn't serve?

Why is it that those that never served are so willing to sacrifice others on the altar of war, and not join themselves?

Why is it that Hannity, or any other Chickenhawk for that matter, join up for 3 years during periods of peace?

They are cowards that hide behind flagsa and patriots that stand in front of those flags and protect the rights we enjoy!

Hannity is a coward! He always has been, and he always will be.

Here is some of the company he keeps:

O'Reilly: no service
Scarborough: no service
Limbaugh: no service
Savage,(Wiener): no service
Coulter: no service, (thank God!)


The list goes on.......


O8)

[Skittles]

69. BULLSHIT

WARMONGERING F***S WHO NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY CAN GO TO HELL.

[frylock]

10. Plenty of guys his age were in Desert Storm - what's his excuse?

Didn't wanna mess up that pretty face. I hate that pussy.

[Skittles]

70. literally what do you mean when you say PUSSY

what EXACTLY do you mean ?????

[CO Liberal]

14. He's Around 42

So he wasn't old enough for 'Nam. But he could have gone to Greneda....

:-)

[burythehatchet]

37. and he wouldn't even need a helmet

there's one built onto his noodle already

[BiggJawn]

5. They should stop with the "Draft Dodger" crap.

After all, we've seen all of THEIR "service records"
Ass Cysts, "Too busy keeping Texas free from Cockroaches" "Better things to do" (That worked FOUR times, Tinman?)
and the list goes on and on.

But....
Only The NOOGE had the bright idea of crapping in his pants until his buttholl was clogged, THEN going for his physical...
"Crap-Pants Fever, Dern-der-dern!!!!!"

[noonwitch]

9. John Engler, former MI governor, was deemed too fat by the draft board

Like basic training wouldn't have resolved that issue. This was during Vietnam.

[BiggJawn]

64. Sounds like his Daddy was "too well connected"

Shit, every service has their "Fat Boy's Flight" where you get extra PT and no "Take all ya want, but eat all ya take" at chow call.

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[Cooley Hurd]

11. Welcome to DU!

We're all ABB (Anybody BUT Bush) here! Welcome aboard!

[IronLionZion]

13. Welcome to DU

I agree. And a lot of conservatives have opened their eyes to see that Bush is no conservative. The last time I checked, Conservatives like small government, balanced budgets, and civil liberties.

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[calimary]

47. Welcome to DU! Great to have you here!

[fleetus]

48. Nice sig line.

Yes, welcome to DU! Here you will find more links to the truth than anywhere else. Another good place for info is truthout.org.

[Zero Gravitas]

63. Probably?

LOL :) You have no idea how tired we are!

I'm very encouraged by the way the Dem nomination is going, high turn out and the one big issue is getting rid of Bush. I hope that a broad majority of Americans, including some Republicans and conservatives, will say "enough is enough" this November and take our country back!

Most Conservatives and Liberals agree on "government of the people, for the people and by the people". Despite what the hate mongers say (Limbaugh et. al.) most Americans, no matter what their political beliefs, are decent people who want what is best for the country, they just disagree on how to do it. We need to take the country back from the corporate interests and the PNAC wackos.

[Bandit]

66. Maybe you could share some of your reasons to be tired of Bush*

We have a multitude of reasons here and would love to hear a different aspect to this. We actually did a little research on Bush* and know some of his previous business dealings before he ever ran for Governor even. There is very little that we have been able to find that is admirable about Bush*. Like I say we have a multitude of reasons to want the bum out but could listen to a few more.

[Emboldened Chimp]

7. And what about Cheney, eh?

Count 'em: five of those same deferments to Clinton's one.

[ant]

8. Rush did something similar today

He made a big deal over how the attacks on W's military record were all about cleaning up Clinton's legacy and the black mark of Draft Dodger on it, as if anyone except the right wing freaks give a shit about Clinton anymore. And hey, I like the guy, but it's been four years...let it go.

If attacking a guy who no longer holds elected office and isn't running for anything is the best they've got to counter the attacks on aWol, they are screwed.

[Catherine Vincent]

17. Uh, I don't think Rush has any room to talk about anybody's

military or non-military record.

[Old and In the Way]

41. A chicken arguement made by chicken men.

Gee, Clinton can't respond to those remarks, can he? Maybe Rush or Hannity would invite Bill on the show and make that claim face-to-face?

Bill never made his not serving a secret...there'd be no issue with Bush if he had done the same. But using Daddy to get you a $million$ pilot's wings so you can pretend you're a warrior for your future political biography, then not completing the commitment and doctoring the evidence....I've got a big problem with that.

[Mari333]

12. Earth to Hannity! Clinton isnt in office

bUsh is..and he sent hundreds of thousands of our loved ones to be put in harms way for a war based on NOTHING but greed and lies.
so do I have a right to critique bUsh about HIS past..
Damn right I do...My stepson is being sent over there...so Hannity can kiss my Royale American Arse.
Until he walks the walk he can shut HIS piehole.

[Loonman]

16. Why didn't butthead Hannity sign up for Gulf War I?

Since he's such a goddamn patriot?

[CityZen-X]

18. Un-Plug Thyselves!

This scum of the Earth Shamity, is history! He is as relevant as a fart in a padded room.

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[CityZen-X]

22. Mushroom Nation

His audience is so irrelevant! They are definitely the ugly American's. I call them Mushroom Nationals: Those who live in the dark, and thrive on total Bu$h*t!!!!!

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[CatWoman]

29. I agree with you in that "Mushroom Nationals" is funny as all hell

but disagree with you on Hannity's listeners "importence".

Or was it "impotence"?

:shrug:

[CityZen-X]

32. Impotence Indeed

Thanks CatWoman! Yea, Mushroom Nationals is my baby, so apropos don't ya think so? As I speak to you my Calico, Isabel is helping me type this comment. "Rooski" my Russian Blue is in the kitchen trying to figure out how to operate the can-opener! If the audience of Shamity are relevant to the future if this country, then clearly let us all X-it stage left!

[CatWoman]

34. Heh

as I type, all of my furries are in the living room, zipping around and knocking things over.

Oh well.................

:hi:

BTW: Someone should point out to that poster that all of those erectile dysfunction ads shown during the Superbowl were aimed at Hannity's "influential" audience.

[CityZen-X]

30. The Power To Read

In order to be able to vote, it helps if you can read! I doubt if the majority of his so called audience can. Just like the "Silly Savage", Limpbaugh, Shamity are the Ed Sullivan Show for the Trailer Park mentality! Or should I say Jerry Springer Radio!!

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[CityZen-X]

36. Just Like J.J.

I think you have exposed thy self?

[Old and In the Way]

44. I doubt 40MM, unless you mean total annualized audience.

Hey, I won't waste my time convincing the "hardcore" who would vote for Bush even if it was to be proven that OBL and GWB exchange Christmas cards. Bush will get 30% of the vote just waking up in the morning.

I'm more interested in the other 15-20% that we should be able to get to vote Democrat and restore sanity to our domestic and international agenda.

[kaitykaity]

75. Hey, I'm trailer park from way back.

Quit! :hi: Just cuz I grew up with three broken cars on the lawn and two broken washing machines on the back porch doesn't mean I'm a dumbass.

:evilgrin:

[Maddy McCall]

45. Hannity is an idiot.

[RebelOne]

67. I agree with you there.

Actually, he's really a loudmouthed idiot.

[The Backlash Cometh]

19. Oh, is Clinton running again?

*

[ProfessorGAC]

20. Hannity Needs To Learn Some New Lyrics

Same old song and dance. Someone ask Sean how much time he spent in the military. My guess: Zero.
The Professor

[Forkboy]

25. Good

Now we can point out that Bush is just as bad as they thought Clinton was.After all,if one is so bad the other must be too,by their warped logic.

[CatWoman]

27. To borrow from WorstPresidentEver

Clinton No Longer In Office

Washington DC (AP) - Un-named government sources claim that Bill Clinton is no longer the US President. According to these sources Clinton was replaced in January 2001 by George W. Bush, a feckless aristocrat from Connecticut and Maine, last known address Austin, Texas. Angry white conservative males all over the country reacted to the news with skepticism and anger. "who can I blame for my recent loss of my job" raged I. M. Anidiot of Tuscaloosa FL.

(more)

Earth to freeper morans: Clinton no longer President! GET OVER IT!

[buddhamama]

31. too funny

got a link for the rest CW, i want to read it.


somehow we must find a way to harness the power of Clinton's penis.

[CatWoman]

35. There's lots of witticisms in that thread

here's the link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=344587

[buddhamama]

38. thanks, CatWoman

i bookmarked it

[Faygo Kid]

40. Clinton not in lottery; what about Rush, Cheney, DeLay, et al?

Lottery was introduced in 1969. Clinton was subject to draft before that. He was able to avoid the draft, and good for him. (I got my lottery number in 1970). Clinton, unlike the neo-con chickenhawks, didn't relish sending young people into combat as cannon fodder for insane imperial dreams. There's a difference, and it is huge. Thank you, Col. Hannity, for your "patriotism" with other people's children.

[trumad]

42. I think you really should have military credentials before

you call someone out on their lack of military credentials. BECAUSE...they can simply reply, What about you?

[rasputin1952]

52. OH GOD Trumad......

I am typing this through tears.

That pic just destroyed me emotionally.

How can some pig like Hannity dare to speak of war when those coffins are coming home from a war for nothing? These are our brothers and sisters; our mothers and fathers; our children.

Gone; not for democracy, not for truth, not for justice. They are gone for greed.

The families that receive these noble flag draped coffins have sacrificed more than any "hannity" or "limbaugh" ever did. I'm sorry....I just can't keep posting....maybe later.

[Hekate]

56. So far no member of this regime seems to have bothered to attend a funeral

I mean, Arlington Cemetary is just so far to travel from the WH, you know? And the coffins are still returning in the dead of night, no photographers allowed. When my generation said we hoped the lessons of Vietnam would never be forgotten, I don't think this (the bodies coming home for all to see) is the one we had in mind.

I don't really care if a person has served in the military or not; to me it's not the only definition of manhood, and a principled resistance takes as much courage. But I care deeply whether or not someone in a position of power heedlessly throws away the lives of others entrusted to them. The young Bill Clinton only did what every boy I knew was hoping to do, and at least he really thought about the implications of his actions.

"Chickenhawk" has come to mean a person who is enthusiastically bellicose, but never jumped at the chance to fight when his/her own opportunity arose. That covers every person in the Bush administration except Colin Powell. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, DeLay, Gingrich, Limbaugh -- well, they are all, all honorable men -- but none of them knows firsthand the stink of death, the screams of the newly-maimed, the incoherence of the shattered mind. And they don't care -- not one of them seems to have a clue. Wealth and empire uber alles.

Hekate

"But why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many,
what day it's going to happen, and how many this or what do you
suppose? Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my
beautiful mind on something like that?" ~Barbara Bush

"I guess the 'nation's grandma' isn't the grandma of those her son sends into harm's way." ~Hekate

ARLINGTON WEST, SANTA BARBARA CALIF.
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Default.htm
click on the large photo of AW to go here:
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Arlington_west_121003.htm
Scroll down the page for all the photos...

[rasputin1952]

58. I agree that ones principles are something to stand up for...

and it takes great courage to do so. The Chickenhawks are in a class by themselves however. Cowards all....no exceptions. Like all hypocrites, they talk big, but leave tiny footprints soon erased in the sand.

O8)

[djg21]

59. Attend?

We lost my wife's 21 year old cousin in Iraq. The family didn't even get a telephone from the bastards. Kennedy called; Kerry called (he was from Mass). But not a whisper from the Whitehouse.

[rasputin1952]

61. My heart goes out to you and your family....

it is always so difficult to express one's feelings when there is no direct connection to the bereaved. I can only say I wish this had never happened, and that is far from any form of comfort.

I look at everyone who has served in any civil or military capacity as a hero. For those that send our fellow citizens into harms way, especially if they have never served, I hold nothing but disdain. For those who beat the drums of war, but refuse to to pick up a weapon and do any of the fighting, I hope they live in their own private hell.

I hope and pray that you and your family find closure and remember the best of times you had with one of our fallen comrades. Each time I post one of these, I tear up, and recall the times I had as a soldier. I cannot ease the pain of the loss you feel, but I can offer a shoulder to lean on, and a tear for those that have passed on in this conflict.

O8)

[rasputin1952]

57. Addendum to above:

I lost it.

I just couldn't get those caskets out of my mind. I'm no wimp, but I have to admit, I can be overwhelmed at times.

I've posted this before, so I ask you to bear with me, just once more.

For those of us that have never been a part of a military funeral, it is a moving experience. It reminds of us our mortality, and how swiftly we can be taken from this world. For those of us who have held the dying in our arms, comforting them as best we could, and praying desperately for a miracle, the tremors return, the emotions overwhelm us, and we wish there was just ONE MORE THING we could do to overcome the despair.

For those that have never been to a military cemetery, please, if you can, go there and see the lines of markers. Read the names. See how many are unknown. Look at the sacrifice these men and women gave for their nation.

Every town and city in this country has a cemetery. There are veterans in every one of them. The parents of the slain are there, and the children of those that never got to meet their fathers are there. War is an evil business, occasionally a necessary business, but evil none the less.

To see these coffins being returned to their homes has taken much from me. My family has been involved in the military since the War of 1812. Someone has been there to preserve this nation since its inception. Many have never seen the horrors of combat, and I hold no animosity towards them. But to sacrifice our children for this hell in Iraq and Afghanistan is just wrong. We are not fighting an enemy that attacked us, those people are still out there, plotting, and preparing. We are fighting for the 'spoils of war'. This is not WWII, we are not defending the helpless, we are creating the helpless.

This is the most unworthy administration this nation has ever known.
Every American should stand and remember that these bastards of humanity have killed thousands, for NOTHING!

I want Osama and his cronies. I want to kick their asses in every part of the world I can. But I do not believe that this craven bunch of clowns that calls itself an administration wants Osama. While my brothers and sisters of the service die and are maimed every day, the spawn of hell rides on a wave of false patriotism; and I am damn tired of it.

O8)

[Hubert Flottz]

43. NAME CALLING!

I thought the Democrats were the only ones that did that! That's what all the GOPer talking D---heads on TV say 24/7! They can dish it out, but the cry just like a little girl when they get a dose of their own meds! I'm SOOOOOOOOOOO damned glad to see the Democratic Party pull out the stops! It's about time someone besides the GIs stood up and defended America against these liars and thieves, rascals who would drag the country through the dirt, for their own thirty pieces of silver!

[John BigBootay]

46. I hate the gimmick of transferring blame--

"Why are you busting ME when HE did it too?!?"

That is incredibly juvenile-- and BOTH sides of our illustrious political body do it regularly.

[ComerPerro]

49. Pathetic but expected

"so, see, Clinton didn't serve. At least Bush used his wealth and connections to be given a rank in the TNAG despite the waiting list, and simply failed to show up for duty... wait... THATS MUCH WORSE!!!!!!"

[GOPBasher]

50. Can't defend Bush, so turns to Clinton.

He has nothing to say in defence of Bush, so he turns his attention to Clinton.

[Kikosexy2]

53. Hannity Defends Bush by...

Typical Republican response just blame Clinton or use Clinton as an example. The Clinton years
are over--Repubes need to get over them! Impeach Bush Now!!

[OneTwentyoNine]

54. Sure didn't want to bring up emm....you know who's War record did they? nt

[Piperay]

55. NEWSFLASH

for RWingers, Clinton is no longer President...you have to get over it!! Geesh, they miss him more than we do. :-(

[LeahMira]

60. I'd rather have...

... a President who decided that he didn't want to fight in Vietnam and said that than someone who decided that he didn't want to fight in Vietnam but enlisted and apparently got credit for accepting the risk of being sent there, all the while knowing that he was going to skip out if something more interesting came up. At least President Clinton was honest about his choice. Does that make sense?

[opihimoimoi]

62. But But Clinton is not running for President. Bush is.

Sean is using Distraction, the filthy asshole.

[Brian Sweat]

65. Does anyone have information on exactly what went down with Clinton

with regards to the draft. If you have references, that would be nice too.

[shrike]

73. I may be wrong, but

I believe I read somewhere that Clinton had initially intended to go into the Coast Guard so he wouldn't have to go to Vietnam. But his draft number was so high that wasn't a concern anymore, so he backed away from the Coast Guard idea. Sorry, I don't have a link.

[underpants]

76. Link here-Draft #311 was never actually drafted some pull helped

Snopes is debunking an e-mail that made the rounds for a while about Clinton having been convicted of a felony and then the site goes on to tell the whole story. Sounds about right.

Clinton wasn't actually drafted but he surely did not want to go to Vietnam. Some strings were pulled but Clinton always got someone to sign off for him. A bit of a read but worth it.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/politics/clintondraft.asp

[louis-t]

81. No, no, no....

no 'strings' were pulled for Clinton. Who was he in 1970 that he could get strings pulled? That's what kills me about these rumors. He wasn't even in politics at the time, he was not some well known son of a senator. He was a poor guy going to school on a Rhodes scholarship fer cryin out loud. He had signed up for ROTC and was still on a deferment when he found out he wouldn't be drafted. He wrote or called the colonel he had met with and said he had decided to go back to school in England and wouldn't be reporting for ROTC. How that translates into 'draft dodger' is beyond me.

edit my sloppy typing.
edit again because I may have gotten locations and order wrong, but facts are essentially there. Not a 'draft dodger'.

[Ksec]

68. You who watch them are aiding the enemy

by providing the ratings they need to survive, dont bitch when you are to blame for them being on radio and TV

[Cannikin]

78. You'd help him by purchasing from his advertisers....

Knowbody knows you're watching unless you're participating in the ratings programs...am I right?

[Mixxster]

71. How do these guys spew this crap with a straight face?

If Clinton is a draft dodger for taking a deferment, what does that make Dick "I had other priorities" Cheney who had 5 of them?

[banana republican]

72. What is Insanity's point???

Bill never enlisted; therefore he never lied.
Bush enlisted; and then quit; he defrauded the government.

[swinney]

74. Clinton did--SIGN FOR DRAFT

Bill Cinton had a once in a lifetime opportunity to get a free education at Oxford.

He joined the inactive reserves and promised Commander Holmes he would join active reserves upon return from Oxford.

He completed one year and was in his second year when he got notice he had been accepted to Yale Law School.

He dropped out at Oxford and returned to Hot Springs in order to enter Yale in the Fall.

He went to the Draft Board and signed up for the draft. This was according to his friends and the only surviving member of the draft board in 1992.

He received a high number which meant he would not be drafted. Few were being drafted at that time. He knew it was unlikely he would be called and opponents hit him for he knew he would get a high number.

What was he to do? He was required by law to register for the draft.

His big goof was his letter to Holmes while he was at Oxford.

He wrote a very intelligent letter for so young a man.

Problem--He said "thank you for saving me from the draft".

He should have written--"Thank you for saving me from the draft so I could take advantage of a once in a liftime educational opportunity".

clarence swinney burlington nc

[rasputin1952]

77. Sounds plausible to me...

If I had the chance to leave Hope AR, get an Oxford education, then get accepted to Yale Law School; I think I would take it.

Beats getting into college with a poor scholastic record and because my dad had connections and plenty of money, to ensure a 'legacy'.

I have always thought that one of the Great American Dreams, to lift one's self from poverty by one's bootstraps, was ingrained in our society. Seems to me that Clinton pretty well fit the bill.

The RWnuts will blame Clinton for EVERYTHING.

BTW: Did anyone ever tell Hannity/O'Reilly/Limbaugh, et al, that the war in Iraq went so quickly because of the CLINTON MILITARY! Sure as hell had nothing to do with bush! :evilgrin:

O8)

[kskiska]

80. Clinton is the 20th Century equivalent

of a "born in a log cabin" president. I think most of the public is unaware of his achievements and intellect.

[rasputin1952]

82. I agree...

It is incredible that he got to where he got.

He made it with the cards stacked against him.

O8)

[BigBigBear]

79. Hannity's a crybaby

and a bore.

At least Annthrax is entertaining with her loopy polemics and torchlight-parade gestalt - listening to Hannity is like watching someone else's paint dry.

The AWOL issue is still alive if toddlers like Hannity are still getting their panties in a bunch over it.