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45th Med Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:22 PM
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Revealed: the gas chamber horror of North Korea's gulag
A series of shocking personal testimonies is now shedding light on Camp 22 - one of the country's most horrific secrets

In the remote north-eastern corner of North Korea, close to the border of Russia and China, is Haengyong. Hidden away in the mountains, this remote town is home to Camp 22 - North Korea's largest concentration camp, where thousands of men, women and children accused of political crimes are held.

Revealed: The Gas Chamber Horror of North Korea's Gulag
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45th Med Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:24 PM
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1. Can you see where some countries might not believe these "intel" reports?
I mean, it's not like we have any credibility now but how can we or the Brits even try to make a case for war against another country seeing as how our intel is so piss poor?
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John BigBootay Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:39 PM
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3. Not sure where you're going with this...
I read the story and find the allegations, if true, utterly horrifying and repulsive. And personally, I'd love to see every despot, tin horn dictator and scum-bag leader of pariah nations taken out and shot.

In lieu of that, I think it's important for all Americans to understand the level of depravity that exists in some of our lesser evolved nations. Perhaps awareness will help promote the change of these types of regimes. But this kind of atrocity is all too common, even today.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:43 PM
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5. the allegations are true
some channel had a doc. about north Korea and its prison camps. the leader also kidnaps people ,i think it was a Japanese actress or actor and others. he is a blight on humanity.
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45th Med Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:26 PM
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16. Why didn't we invade NOKOR first?
They actually HAVE WMD, a ruthless dictator, atrocities right and left. But instead we hit Iraq first? I like what the other poster said about 'selective morality'.

I just don't think we'd have the balls to remove KJI.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:31 PM
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2. Time to invade?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:40 PM
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4. there is no oil in
north korea so the bush klan doesn`t care. yes the north koreans have prisons that rival anything the germans and japanesse had during ww2. there are unspeakable crimes being committed but bush has nothing to prove to his dad by going into north korea. sick,isn`t it.
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John BigBootay Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:55 PM
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7. Well, it's sick that these blights are allowed to exist--
but I wouldn't be so sure that Bush isn't considering some kind of response to NK.

I'll grant you that part of the motivation to ouster Saddam was the fact that he was sitting on scads of oil.

And Afhanistan had the Taliban which directly sponsored terror-- another "in America's interest" action.

NK has nukes and a forbidden reactor program-- this represents another indirect threat to the US.

I would not be suprised if in the not-too-distant future, we were preparing to go to war there as well.

The thing that kills me is that these wars are generally not great idealistic causes on both sides-- but grievances between the US and these lunatic leaders. And unfortunately, thousands of innocent people wind up dying while we ferret out the few bad guys.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:18 PM
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13. Selective outrage: there is absolutely no moral component to
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 09:19 PM by 9215
Bush's motivations. Suharto of Indonesia and numerous other thugs were "our sons-of-bitches" including Saddam Hussein and the Bushboys never raised a peep in protest.

If the Bush cabal was building up the war fever for Iraq during the 80's for moral reasons they would have done the same for Suharto. But they didn't for Suharto because he did the US oil companies bidding by attacking E. Timor and slaughtering 200,000 of its people. Coincidently oil was discovered on E. Timor before the attacks.

You should google "Iraqgate" and "NSD 26". At the peak of his supposed atrocities Saddam was given the red carpet and then, when Poppy saw that he had a chance to insert US power in the Gulf region, Saddam was given the green light to attack Kuwait. Saddam was tricked into beleiving he was still the US's boy, but Poppy did a 180 degree turn and went on the attack.

The BFEE does nothing for human rights, zip.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:47 PM
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6. Hellooo. For those who don't remember we already
tried to conquer North Korea and failed. What makes you think we would succeed now? Also, back then we had the help of the So. Koreans, which I doubt we would have now.
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John BigBootay Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:00 PM
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8. Good point-- but there's the matter of doctrine
Current militray doctrine uses the concept of massive, overwhelming superior firepower.

It's hard to say what the outcome would be-- but if I was a bettin' man, I'd bet on our side pulling it off.

And I wouldn't immediately dismiss the possibility of building a coalition to help out as well. NK is not widely loved.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:06 PM
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10. Before this becomes even a plan, I want a real President
as commander-in-chief, not the Dumbo were stuck with. I hope no other countries join up until he's outta office.
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John BigBootay Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:13 PM
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11. Absolutely--
But I doubt if this is even a "plan" at this point. But what the hell do I know?
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Sam Lowry Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:16 PM
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12. Does that mean
That if the U.S. gets nuked, you hope that other countries refuse to help us if Bush is in office? That's insane.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:30 PM
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17. The US isn't going to get nuked unless Dumbo really does
something horridly stupid. I thought we were talking about preemptive attack and I am totally against preemptive war. This kind of war can't be called anything else but imperialism. I really hope that Dumbo is out of office before any other kind of war ever happens even if it's a legitimate war.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:21 PM
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14. You mean like we "pulled it off" in Iraq?
:eyes:
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Sam Lowry Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:04 PM
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9. Keerist
Kinda makes you wish MacArthur hadn't invaded China when we were there in '50-'53.

What the fuck is wrong with these people?
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:23 PM
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15. typing error?? MacArthur wanted to invade China, Truman said NO
and fired MacArthur.

The right viewed him as a hero; I think there was a ticker-tape for him in NYC.

I think the song 'Old soldiers never die, they just fade away' was written about him then.
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