David Kay, former head weapons inspector is trying to save Bush's bacon

[glarius]

David Kay is a hawk with regards to going to war with Iraq. He's admitted that. He's on with Wolfie pushing his line that "the rest of the world thought Iraq had WMDs" ....not just the USA......I get the distinct impression that he is trying to rescue Bush from being blamed for using untrue information as a reason for war. No mention of the fact that Bush manipulated the facts to support a war he was hell-bent on fighting....Kay is a real smoothie....He neglects to mention that even though other countries thought Saddam might have WMDs, they did not deem it necessary to go to war....Saddam was being contained and the UN weapons inspectors were doing their job.....The bottom line is WAR WAS UNNECESSARY and thousands of people, both American and Iraqi, need not have died.....and thousands more maimed and injured......

[Mari333]

1. More facts on Kay

In fact, Kay’s connections to the Pentagon, the CIA, ultra right-wing Israeli ‘think-tanks’, a major military contractor called SAIC and the Iraqi Reconstruction and Redevelopment Council, all the members of whom are actually employees of SAIC, reveals a relationship extending back to the middle of 1990s and even before, to Ronald Reagan’s government. A relationship that the corporate press is not mentioning, and with good reason, for in doing so it would reveal the suspect nature of anything Kay has to say about Iraq’s alleged WMD ‘programme’ prior to the invasion.



http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0105.html

[The Night Owl]

2. Life preservers

Last night, I was listening to a guy (I forget his name) from the FAIR website being interviewed on the Chris Moore show. The guy from FAIR described certain statements by Kay as "life preservers" for the Bush administration. For instance, Kay's bizarre insinuations that Saddam's WMD may have been shipped to Syria or stolen by Iraqi looters are two good examples of "life preservers" that Kay has thrown the drowning Bush administration. The sad news is that the average Faux viewer will probably buy any excuse The Chimp provides for why Saddam's WMD have not been found.

[Alpharetta]

3. He's building his resume

Defense corporations love team players like him. Taking one for the team.

He'll make lots of money sitting on their boards of directors.

[Raven]

4. I don't understand Kay. Please explain.

If he did not want to hurt Bush, why didn't he just keep his mouth shut? Could it be that he started out telling the truth and then the administration got to him?

[Mari333]

5. They had to trot SOMEONE out

so they trotted out Kay...sort of like putting a small band aid on a GAPING WOUND...
if the press werent such corporate whores, they would be exposing Kay for being a trotted out shill for his own corporate buddies.

[Raven]

6. So you're saying

that the Bushies knew this thing with WMD's was going to blow so they tapped Kay to shill for them? If yes, I guess I can see that, but I don't think he's done them all that much good.

[glarius]

9. You don't think it helps Bush when he keeps saying "no pressure was put

on anyone he has spoken to," to back up Bush's contention that Iraq had WMDs?....He also says he thinks it was necessary to take Saddam out.....

[Mari333]

10. ya but he does the least damage

because he keeps asserting that the US had to do it anyway and brings up the same old shit saddam was a bad man rape rooms blah blah blah....
so hes their damage control. The media should be grilling him. But they arent.

[buycitgo]

7. exactly! for example, I saw McCain call Kay a "Scientist" the other day

I immediately started a thread about it, linking an article by a phsyicist who worked in the Reagan admin who says he is NOT!


I linked his CV from the Potomac institute that mentions his Master's in International Relations, as well as unattributed "PhDs", and undergrad degrees.

you can be pretty damn sure that if he'd had a tech background, it would have been mentioned in those unnamed degrees.

what I/m DYING to know is why McCain called him a scientist, and where he got the idea that Kay IS a one.

same place those 70% of Americans "learned" the Saddam was behind 911?

Kay also ASSURED the nation that it was ludicrous that those mobile weapons labs could POSSIBLY be hydrogen-processing facilities. this was back in June of last year......LONG after much credible evidence had been supplied to reinforce just that assertion.

will find link, and fun quote

[9215]

13. Also McCain may have honestly made a mistake

But you raise a very good question. The discussion here is good.

I think we are going to find out in the coming weeks and months that alot of people in the government: politicians and bureaucrats, were duped about all kinds of things associated with this. All the quotes the Right-Wing is putting out about Clinton and other Democrats statements on Iraq's WMD's could all be statements made in good faith, but based on lies perpetuated by elements within the CIA that don't like Democrats.

The Pentagon Papers and Daniel Ellsberg is a historical precedent for this. A must read.

I don't remember Kay commenting about the bio-labs. Hope you could find the link on that.

[glarius]

15. I do not trust McCain....he's a team player above everything else

Even though he seems to disagree with many of Bush's actions and Bush's minions lied outrageously about McCain in the 2000 election, he is out there like a good soldier campaigning for Bush's re-election.....

[buycitgo]

16. here

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/06/07/cia.mobile.labs

see post 11

it's damning in its revelation of his gross hypocrisy

he's the WORST kind of shill; typical of EVERYbody who toes the fascist line.

and you're MUCH to supportive of McCain

he has NO self-respect, and just wait until any "investigation" takes place. you can be SURE he'll take the tack that it was purely bad intel that FORCED the poor poor president to take such resolute action, based on faulty information

and, even if it WAS solely bad intel.......well, this says it better than I can:

[9215]

12. A very damn good question.

We are talking high level psy-ops here. I mean state of the art psy-ops.

IMO the Bushies knew that the cat was out of the bag so to speak so what they do is use that fact to their advantage by letting "one of their own" "boldly" expose the facts. Here is where it gets interesting. It is a rear-guard action to be sure. They are making the best out of a bad situation.

What this does is leave the impression on the public that the Bushies aren't a cabal; that there is a diversity of opinion and that diversity is allowed to be expressed. They have done this with other issues. Remember when a link was found between Saudi's and terrorist funding and this got into the Press. Knowing it was out of the bag the Saudi's came to the US asking Bush to investigate and get to the bottom of the issue. This gives the Public the impression that the Saudi's aren't a cabal and that they really want to purge Al Qaeda from their midst, blah, blah. Of course Bush publicly refuses to give the info to the Saudi's
for national security reasons, blah, blah. Nothing is ever done but the impression of a diversity and moderation is planted in the public psyche.

We are talking high level psy-ops to manage public perceptions. The CIA hasn't been twidling its thumbs for over 50 years. They have a vast knowledge of psychology and put it to use.

[Skidmore]

8. I wonder what Kay owes Poppy...

remember, Poppy was his boss once.

[buycitgo]

11. he's part of the whole thing......he "owes" everything to .........

the entire system that perpetrates the big PNAC paranoid fantasy on the credulous US population, with the active assistance of their media conspirators.


think that's too strong? have you seen ANYone in the media ask Kay the most basic questions about his motivations, his background (including media shill pushing WMDs before the war), his PREVIOUS statements AFTER the war, insisting that there were LOTS of WMDs to be found?

here's a good one:

Former U.N. weapons inspector David Kay told CNN on Saturday that though there was a "lack of strong evidence" that the vehicles had been used to produce deadly biological agents, "the most likely use" and "the most probable use" was to create biological weapons. He said suggestions that the mobile labs had some more benign application, such as producing agricultural chemicals, were unlikely. Kay said he was aware of a number of theories that the vehicles might have had other uses, "none of which make any logical sense."

........

Kay saw one of the vehicles on a recent trip to Iraq and received reports on the second.

Kay said most of the alternative uses that have been suggested "didn't pass the laugh test."

"The silliest one," Kay said, was the suggestion that they had been designed to generate hydrogen for meteorological balloons.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/06/07/cia.mobile.labs

note that it was told to C-freaking-NN! and government man wolf somehow failed to bring it up in his two "interviews" with Kay.

is it any wonder that the public is being led down a false path, with any future "investigations" most likely having as their major thrust being a close look at intel GATHERING, rather than interpretation?

[Cat Atomic]

14. It should take THREE SECONDS to interview David Kay.

"Did you find any WMD at all? Any evidence that a threat existed?"

That is the only question he is qualified to answer. Kay's investigation had nothing to do with the White House's use (or abuse) of pre-invasion intelligence.

[glarius]

18. Exactly....and yet Kay is interpreting Bush's intentions and what Bush

was thinking, etc....

[onecitizen]

17. Not only that......

he's putting the blame on the very people he used to work with, the CIA. Nice for them to know they had a traitor in their midst. Kay has decided to allow the CIA to take the fall for this thing. Kay of course will be rewarded somehow.

[maggrwaggr]

19. He's blaming everyone but Bush and himself

I've heard him even blame Carter. Clinton of course. The CIA. Other countries. The UN.

Pretty much everybody.

Well how about this, schmuck? How about the fact that your very own Colin Powell, Secretary of State, said in 2001 that Saddam Hussein was not a threat to anybody, not even his neighbors, that containment had worked, and that he hadn't been able to pursue any WMD development whatsoever?

Why isn't anyone asking Kay ABOUT THIS????

Stupid media whores.

Link is here.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/933.htm