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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:55 AM
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Two US Soldiers ask: "When will we stop dying so senselessly?"
AXIS of LOGIC

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_4893.shtml

Jay Shaft Interviews 2 U.S. Soldiers
Jan 31, 2004, 10:02

"Over the Christmas holidays I managed to find two US soldiers who were back from Iraq. They were both somewhat willing to be interviewed and describe their time in Iraq in their own words.

One was imminently returning to Iraq within a few days and the other was home for an unknown length of time. Both knew at some point they would be returning to a bloody guerilla conflict, and they did not know if they would be coming back."

snip

"O2- I want to talk about this and tell people how bad it really is in Iraq. It is a complete fu..ing slaughter and it is only going to get worse. The attacks in the last month or so have been meticulously well planned and executed. We are seeing a level of sophistication that the chain of command did not ever expect. Many of the officers knew that they were going to be dealing with well trained Iraqi army and militia units. There might or might not be outside support and insurgents, but I know the Iraqis are more than capable of messing up your day. These guys have been trained to fight guerilla style and they don t give up. We are in deep sh.t now that they have started to get more organized."

snip

"O1- You know, right after the invasion, the average Iraqi was happy to see us get rid of the Saddam regime. You ask the same Iraqi how they feel about us now, and they will openly admit that they hate us as bad as Saddam, or even worse than Saddam. "

snip

"O2- Let me jump in here. I want to say that I am extremely mad that Halliburton and Bechtel have better equipment than our own troops do. The contractors have fully armored Hummers and the best body armor. The have us escort them in our lightly armored Humvees and they ride in heavily armored vehicles. That is bullsh.t and every American needs to know about it. It s been in the paper recently about how bad the casualties have been from the older Hummers. Our vehicles don t provide adequate protection, and that is a fu..ing outrage that needs to be fixed."

snip

"O2- I m proud that I served my country, I am proud to be an American soldier. That is why it is so hard for me to say stuff like this about our leaders and the government. I hate doing this, but what the Pentagon and Bush are doing to our soldiers makes me sick. I also get sick when I think about how many Iraqi civilians I saw killed and terribly maimed. I have seen hundreds of kids missing body parts or dying from dysentery and diarrhea from contaminated water. I saw orphans who had lost every family member and were starving in the street.

There are whole packs of orphans roaming around Baghdad and some of the other cities. They scavenge for scraps and beg for food. It got really bad after the Red Cross and the UN pulled out. Seeing hundreds and hundreds of maimed and starving children is one sight you will never forget. I can t sleep sometimes, and I hear the kids crying in my nightmares. I saw little kids with injuries like I never dreamed possible."

snip

"I never was prepared for anything like I experienced in Iraq. There is no way in hell that the Army can train you to be able to handle something like that. No amount of practice can even come close to the reality I found in Iraq. There just wasn t anything to prepare any of us who had never been in that kind of combat environment. I thought I had seen some really nasty sh.t in Bosnia and then in Kosovo. Boy was I ever wrong about that being as bad as it could get. I feel sorry for the newer guys who hadn t ever seen any combat, or ever shot at a real person.

Coming under fire was another thing that fu..ed up some of my guys who had never seen any action before. Some of them just froze and got shot because they just didn't have the proper training to react the right way.

I must have seen at least five hundred dead bodies, and those were just the ones you could see in plain sight. We could smell the ones that hadn t been found in the rubble, and there were bodies in some of the canals rotting for days or weeks. Some of those canals were downright ugly looking, and the smell was incredibly foul. "

.....more

"Well so far we got rid of Saddam and the rest of his henchmen, and the attacks on our troops still keep happening. I don t see the insurgents or resistance backing down anytime soon. They are only going to fight harder the longer we stay.

What I want to say as my final statement to America is "Stop letting your proud men and women die so senselessly. If we are going to die for our country let it be for something we can really be proud of. I just don t see us making the US any safer from terrorists because of what we are doing in Iraq. Bring us back home so we can defend the US from real threats to our shores."

more...



This is a long interview but worth the read if you wnat to know what its really like for our troops in Iraq...my heart goes out to all the human beings having to experience these never ending horrors.
Peace the only answer....
DR

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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:59 AM
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1. Wow - Why won't our own fucking media report this?
Having worse protection than contractors is a disgrace.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:03 AM
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2. When they cast their frigging military ballot for a Democrat.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:05 AM
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3. It would take many to rip
my hands from his throat.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:52 AM
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9. If you're talkin' about you-know-who...
Hubby and I are having those same feelings ... it' wouldn't be a pretty picture either.

Bring the Soldiers Home! :grr:
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:08 AM
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11. The US doesn't have a media. BTW, take a look at this front page
The military's "Stars and Stripes" is assembled in DC. One can determine the degree to which the US is losing its own war from the hearts and flowers that are printed in "Stars and Stripes."

http://www.estripes.com/

An Iraq success story: SAPI plates

The military’s new Interceptor body armor has proved to be one of the major success stories of the campaign in Iraq, with everyone from combat medics to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld singing its praises.

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=20173
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:18 AM
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4. Interview goes well with DK's flash video....
http://www.kucinich.us/animation-new.php

powerful but graphic....

Peace
DR
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:39 AM
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13. Dear DR...
This animation is extremely moving and I'm going to send it along to my family and friends.

There is just one thing I wish it had conveyed and that is how OUR soldiers are ALSO being dismembered and driven insane and killed in this unjust invasion. ALL the peole have suffered. Showing our soldiers in their desperation would also go a long way in converting a whole bunch of RW flag waving person's and accurately reveal what the TOTAL cost, under Bushco, is.
Thanks. :cry:
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:43 AM
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16. Good point....
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 10:44 AM by Desertrose
and if the media was telling us about our own poor soldiers, there would be way more outrage -I would hope anyway.

Maybe its was because the media just never makes the Iraqis seem human....the whole thing is just so twisted, isn't it? A human life is precious no matter the country or language or color of skin. The US (leaders-NOT the troops) makes me ashamed....

good point sugarbleus

:loveya:
DR
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:17 PM
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18. No prob DR It is unspeakably sad for all the suffering people....
Peace on Earth
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:30 AM
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5. I was just watching Geraldo on Faux News. The reporter from Bagdad was
freaking out because an explosion just occurred behind him. I didn't see any cheerleading there.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:34 AM
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6. but but but
we ARE winning, right?
RIGHT???
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:04 AM
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10. What German news prints v. US news is quite different
...so the German spouses of US military are telling me as they flip between language channels during "shock and awe," the US channels painting a happy "what, me worry?" face on a battle that was "won" in minutes while the German news was reporting that the US troops had been entrenched in the same battle for days.

German spouses are saying the US news is making it up as they go along.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:35 AM
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7. axisoflogic.com
I don't know what it means but that website's administrative contact is listed with an email address @ cityofboston.gov.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:44 AM
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8. clicked on their *about us*...
About Us

The Editorial Staff of Axis of Logic reside in 10 different states across the USA and come from a rich variety of professional backgrounds and life-experiences. Some are published authors. All are social and political activists in one form or another. We represent a cross-section of America as homemakers, trades workers, economists, writers, psychologists, IT professionals, military veterans, former clergy, educators, lawyers and labor leaders. Several of us are entrepreneurs, owning or having owned our own businesses, employing others.

We are committed to publishing and disseminating news and information that contributes to a more comprehensive understanding of current events and history on the part of our readers.

Our purpose is to promote peace, equality and human rights throughout the world.



Peace
DR
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:09 AM
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12. The lAD returning from Iraq are saying the same thing
The Iraqis hate the US over there.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:58 AM
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14. Absolutely devastating article! Kick this for weeks!
Let's get the Dems to talk about this.

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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:38 AM
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15. this needs kicked
we should keep this kicked up & pass it on

Bring our troops home!!!
DR
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:55 AM
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17. printing out
to share with my neighbor.

He recently retired from the Reserves after twnety yrs but has been considering going to work in Iraq for Halliburton.

i'm going to mail this to my Reps. tomorrow along with a letter. :mad:

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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:17 PM
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19. please help keep this kicked....
this was a big deal fro these guys to do this interview...took a lot of courage!!

Peace
DR
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:23 PM
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20. Has anyone been stopped from flying because of political views?
article mentions people who spoke up about the war being unjust were being scrutinized...is this true?
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:39 PM
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21. kick
..
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:17 PM
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22. Support the troops by letting them be heard...
:kick: for our troops!
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:35 PM
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23. I sent this to KOMO "whores for the war" radio
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 10:39 PM by 9215
They have a couple of real shitbrains there on late night news. All through the war he and another blowed dried reporter Cathy Goertsen pumped the mother fucker like there was no tomorrow and out of a 30 minute segment seldom mentioned the war protests. Lewis, a stupid looking chickenhawk fascist imp if there ever was one, loved to cast the war protesters as extremist and selected the more extreme actions some took to support his propoganda.

He particularly loves reporting violent crime which seems to be about all they report.

That sorry son-of-a-bitch needs this shoved in his face FOREVER!

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thisday Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:36 PM
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24. kick
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:04 PM
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25. amazing to read--i keep getting angrier and louder
more people are really listening now, though.

no WMD will prove impossible for BushCo to avoid.

thank you for the post.

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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:42 AM
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26. When will the regular media cover these stories?
I'd send this link along, but some people won't believe it's true if it's from an obscure source.

We need to somehow get stories like this in the mainstream media.

Sure, I know it's tough, but is there SOMETHING we can do to compel them?
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