LIHOP or MIHOP

[BeFree]

Definitions:
LIHOP...Let It Happen On Purpose
MIHOP.....Made It Happen On Purpose

Diebold: Did they make the Black Boxes Voting machines vulnerable on purpose, or did they just let it happen that way?

Iraqi war: Did the White House make up the lies, or did they just let the lies happen on purpose?

Most of the time, LIHOP and MIHOP are used to describe the White House's actions concerning 9/11. Using these terms in a more mainstream fashion seems like a good idea, no?

[Carl Spackler]

1. In regards to Diebold

I think they are just a typicall screwed up tech company that saw dollar signs. Properly administered punchcards are a fine system, and better are optical scan systems. Going to an electronic system with no paper trail is a bad idea, but a non-partisan bad idea.

I see what goes into software. There's no way I'd trust a software system without external validation to collect or count the votes.

[Old and In the Way]

3. What voting machine company wouldn't have add-on printers as

an revenue enhancing option? Is the whole purpose of printerless touchscreens to insure the results needed by the dominant party?

[BeFree]

4. One LIHOP from Carl

So, Diebold is just such a crummy company that they LIHOP, eh? I can see that.

[Carl Spackler]

5. I mean what could be more farked up than

software with specs written by politicians?

[BeFree]

8. Diebold software designed by politicans

Never thought of it that way.... kinda makes it MIHOP?

Welcome to DU, Carl. How'd ya find us?

[Carl Spackler]

10. I could tell you

but then I'd have to kill you.

Actually a friend of mine got kicked out of here and suggested it might be better suited for me.

[leesa]

16. No way. Would you use their ATMs without the ability to get a receipt?

They know exactly what they are doing and why they are doing it. The rich corporatists are going for broke. They are trying to take over the world, for God's sake. They aren't going to risk the loss of an election to spoil their plans. The oil's almost gone, they have to go for it now.

[vanityfair]

2. Definitely MIHOP, IMO

For 9/11, Diebold, and Iraq War. These buggers will do anything to push the PNAC.

[BeFree]

7. MIHOP eh, vanity?

That's a fair assumption...

Welcome to DU, VF, welcome.

[ixion]

6. In my opinion: MIHOP

There is simply too much evidence pointing (rather glaringly) towards the MIHOP scenario. Too many 'coincidences', to many anomalies, too many problems with the physics of what happened to say that it happened the way the 'official' story reads.

Here's a great link that debunks much of the offcial explanation.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/holmgren01.htm

http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wtc2.htm

[demconfive]

9. IHOP

Their strawberry pancakes are to die for.

Seriously I'd say MIHOP. Diebold made a wide variety of products before getting into voting machines. Every machine made by Diebold, except their voting machines, leave some sort of paper or electronic trail. They have the know how to produce a voting machine that is varifiable; they chose not to.

[Carl Spackler]

11. Diebold doesn't write the specs - the buyers do

and those were the state elections commissions. Software is usually screwed up by a customer who doesn't know what they want, or by unrealistic time and money budgets.

Entrusting our democracy to software is insane. I'd go back to putting Xs in boxes and letting little old ladies tally them up before I'd trust ANY company to write a system to do it.

Even though we use software to count the votes with punchcards and optical scans, at least we can go back and recount (flawed as that is).

[AliceWonderland]

12. As with all issues

different levels of knowledge/motivations for different actors. Some will be MIHOP, some LIHOP, some out of the loop.

One explanation for multiple actors will always be too simple.

[renegade000]

13. in these instances....aren't MIHOP and LIHOP really the same thing?

[Solomon]

14. I've always said this too. LIHOP is no different than MIHOP because

you can't let it happen on purpose without making it happen on purpose.

The phrase LIHOP is for those people who, even though they intuitively know what happened, still just can't wrap their head around the disgusting idea that our "government" is ruthless enough to be involved in such an evil design.

LIHOP is a "kindler, gentler, form of MIHOP. Me, I like my coffee straight. MIHOP all the way. They wrote and published their desire to conquer the world, even wishing for a 9-11 to occur to boost it, BEFORE they were even elected, er- selected, to office.

They attacked us first when they stole the selection. THE WAR BEGAN NOVEMBER 4, 2000.

[TruthIsAll]

18. Great post. But MIHOP implies he was in on the planning...

At minimum, he knew something would happen and just did nothing. There is a fine line here. But LIHOP is JUST as GUILTY as MIHOP

Hoover knew JFK would get killed if as long as Hoover did nothing about the warnings his agents were reporting from the field. Sound familiar with AShcroft/Mueller ignoring the warnings from the Minnesota/Arizona field offices about Moussaui?

Bush did nothing when he was warned in August by Tenet and many others that something big would soon happen. He probably did not know the specifics, but knew that it was "in the working". So he hid on his ranch, flew back to DC and straight out of town to Florida for his photo-op on 911

[ixion]

15. kick

:kick:
for MIHOP

here's some more interesting articles...

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/lies911/lies.htm

http://geocities.com/mknemesis/homerun.html

[banana republican]

17. some things should not be changed

100% paper for me.

you can read it electornicly;
but my vote will be paper period

no programs;

no lies;

when I was in grade school during the '50's

the teachers taught us

BALLOTS OR BULLETS.

Quite frankly I prefer ballots.

[Sugarbleus]

19. Finally! The acronyms explained.. thanks :-)