WMD....This is a MUST READ...right wingnuts fight back

[jus_the_facts]

....got this email tonight....read it and weep! :puke:
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You may hate me for this, but it's time the truth comes out without
benefit of the press.


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Re-evaluating Weapons of Mass Destruction ~

It's time we start remembering who started the saber-rattling against Sadam's regime, in regards to the weapons of mass destruction. If the Democrats claims were valid for them, then it was obviously valid when Pres. Bush made the decision to go forward with Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Re-evaluating Weapons of Mass Destruction:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from , but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to determine and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" .
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members . It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction . So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of
mass destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

SO NOW THESE SAME DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE
ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR OIL???

PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO YOUR ENTIRE E-MAIL LIST.

[ComerPerro]

1. Two things

Reply all, with:

Clinton didn't start a war with a ground invasion

Clinton didn't give out contracts do his friends' corporations



and, if they don't believe in the idea of Bush going to war for oil, ask them to go to www.newamericancentury.org and read up on the bit about imperialism and controlling resources.

[lazarus]

2. Two more things

First, note that all these date from the time PNAC sent him the letter threatening him into taking action.

Also, this is hilarious, because it means they're admitting we're right.

[ComerPerro]

3. D'oh!

LOL

[spanone]

9. I just love it when they point to Clinton to justify their crimes

[WilliamPitt]

16. Coupla more things

The reason why there are no WMDs today is because Clinton, and the UN, got rid of them. They were there, and now they're not, and everyone knew that except Bush, it seems.

[Robin Hood]

26. Good point.

Never the less. I ask again, when will this admin and it's hench men start taking responsibility for it's actions? I have had enough of this junior high presidency.

[Seldona]

4. Exactly.

I see this all the time on Yahoo.

I always point out two things.

One like you said, Clinton didn't start a groundwar with virtualy no plan for the aftermath.

And two, how it must sting to justify your positions with Clinton.

Gets the right wingers every time.

[Sandpiper]

6. But isn't it great?

And two, how it must sting to justify your positions with Clinton.

And with every passing month, Bush just keeps making Bill look better and better.

Junior's turning out to be just like his Daddy, loves war, is a bumbling idiot on economic issues.

Let this be our rallying cry when Jeb tries to usurp the presidency in a few years:

Never send a Bush to do a President's job.

[ComerPerro]

7. LOL

I love that. Great slogan.

Where can I get the T Shirt?

Never Send A Bush to do a President's Job!!

[loudnclear]

8. The third BIG thing: What Saddam had then was destroyed by Clinton!!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Clinton said. He proceeded to do something about it along with Blair...they bombed the hell out of Iraq and destroyed Saddam's capability. The inspectors as much as surmized this when they went in. So what is the big deal. Clinton said most of these things in 1998 and by the time his term was ending most of what Clinton said he wanted to do had been done. He handed Bush a surplus and WMD-free Iraq and a neutered Saddam. That's the message we need to harp on and not be afraid to use these quotes to prove the point.

[SideshowScott]

5. One way to shut them up..Tell them Clinton Disarmed Iraq!

There were not any WMD's when Bush was there right? So far all of the inspectors have come up with nada since Bush took office..Im sure you will hear a muted silence from the Right till they can figure out a way to make it look like it was Bush that did it..
Sure we wanted Suddam gone, Who does not? But I think Clinton or Gore would have gotten it done without all of the needless bloodshed that has happend on both sides. But of course doing it that way would have made it that big oil could not have have gotten what they wanted..
Scott

[spotbird]

10. Also, didn't they scream "Wag the Dog"

Whenever Clinton mentioned Iraq?

[salinen]

12. The protest world wide had no effect

on policy. Our objections to this administration have no effect on policy. The world cries as the WH snickers. When will we fight back in a serious way?

[Carl Spackler]

17. What are you suggesting?

[foreigncorrespondent]

11. Well the difference is...

...Clinton didn't go out of his way and LIE about attacking Iraq in order to pre-emptively attack Iraq, Bush* and his band of thugs did.

[Timefortruth]

13. Doesn't this prove invasion was unnecessary?

If I were a puke I'd want to keep this as low-key as possible, it is a loud reminder that there was no reason to invade.

[Bozita]

14. God made Clinton the President so that GWB would have someone to blame...

...for everything that goes badly.

Hey, doesn't that make God an accessory to all of Clinton's actions?

[BeFree]

15. Ya think they didn't know, and fear?

It's now quite evident what drove these folks into a frenzy of war.

I mean, c'mon, ya really think they don't know about Peak Oil? Ya think there was never anybody telling them, in secret of course, that if we are gonna make it through the next twenty years whatever Oil is left HAS to be under our control?

We have been treated like mushrooms -- kept in the dark and fed a bunch of shit.

[lagniappe]

18. It's such a self-defeating argument when conservatives quote Clinton.

It shows that shrub cannot be trusted to make decisions that are in the national interests of the United States.

Clinton and Democrats did make these statements regarding Iraq. The question is what was the correct policy? What is in our national interests? Does spending hundreds of billions of dollars and hundreds of American lives in Iraq really make this country safer? Did Al-Qaeda suddenly go away? Is militant Islam now warm and fuzzy Islam? Are our borders and ports more secure? Did North Korea quit making nukes? What about Iran? Do we have enough troops in case a real crisis occurs?

Clinton chose the correct policy in response to the threat that Saddam posed. It is clear that containment worked. It is clear that Saddam had no WMD. It is clear that the Clinton policy was correct. It is clear that Bush lied and chose to frighten the American public for his own selfish interests rather than lead for the good of the country. We will be in Iraq for a long, long time, and we will be lucky if Iraq does not collapse into a civil war.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

19. And who was responsible for the information being quoted by all of the...

...listed individuals?

Was it the CIA, who has been under fire by the NeoCons since the coup of December 2000?

Or was it the NeoCons operating within the Department of Defense to discredit the CIA and plant information designed to provoke an attack on Iraq?

In light of the events that have taken place since the coup of December 2000, and the activities that have come to light concerning the activities of the NeoCons, you be the judge.

[evil_orange_cat]

20. there are two issues: failure of intelligence, hyping intelligence..

the first is a serious problem that needs to be addressed, the second is all on Bush... it's no doubt the administration misreprented the intelligence (despite the CIA's objections -- niger claim). But the double whammy is that they hyped intelligence that was BAD!

they are two issues that shouldn't be confused... the right wants to blame it all on the CIA (and Tenet, a Clinton appointee).

[TahitiNut]

21. Is this going to be 'discovered' every month?

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[jus_the_facts]

22. Sorry I missed those and didn't scour the entire site before I posted....

....please excuse me for bein' so careless and disrespectful for beatin' a dead horse....god knows that never ever happens around here.

[9215]

23. Clinton was decieved, like Kennedy and Johnson, by corrupt,

treasonous elements in the CIA that wanted to maintain the war mantra against Iraq. Everybody else beleived the reports of the CIA and based their assessments on them.

THE REPRICKS MUST HAVE WAR TO SURVIVE.

They have never been able to figure out what to do since the end of the Cold-War so they replaced bipolar tensions with concocted multi-polar terrorism.

Dubya merely took the bullshit, knowing it was bullshit, and used it as an excuse to conduct a very very profitable war for the BFEE.

[never cry wolf]

24. In addition, didn't the saber rattling start with *#1??

And before the saber rattling we must not forget how sadaam got his start in wmd's in the first place, given them by rannie raygun, king george I and rummy.

Just imagine if our own country had not armed sadaam, osama, the shah, etc., etc., etc.....

[jus_the_facts]

25. damn straight....

:evilfrown:

[maggrwaggr]

27. thanks, Kerry!

the reason I sure don't want to have to hold my nose and vote for him this november

[calimary]

28. Seems to me that the listings from Carl Levin's on Sept 19, 2002 on

are based on the fraud that Congress was force-fed by the bushies, in their jones for war. These people, Levin, Kerry, Waxman, Byrd, Gore, Hillary Clinton, and the rest, were reacting to what the bushies told them, after the bushies had cherry-picked the intel that supported the conclusions THEY HAD ALREADY MADE. Intel that was jerry-rigged in the Office of Special Plans, a shadow group put together by our lovely friends in the administration to come up with the intel required to buttress the case for war. It was charged specifically with delivering only what the White House wanted to hear.

Every one of those listings can be so refuted. The rest of it can be kiboshed by what Scott Ritter told Wolf Blitzer this week

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0401/30/wbr.00.html

"You know, I know what the intelligence community of the United States, Great Britain and indeed Israel felt about Iraq in late 1998. While there was concern about the unfinished business of disarmament, nobody maintains that Iraq had massive stockpiles of chemical, biological agents.

Nobody maintained that Iraq represented a clear and present risk of growing danger that needed to be confronted. Indeed this assessment was upheld until 2001. Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice both maintained in 2001 that Iraq was a containable threat, that it didn't pose a threat."

He also pointed out that we've had it demonstrated since then, that the inspections were working.

[Emillereid]

29. Maybe some of our guys made stupid verbal claims regarding

Hussein and WMDs, but they had the good sense not to get so worked up about their rhetoric to invade the country.