All you straights..Got a log in your eye?

[Rowdyboy]

Evidently, *43 is trying to make some kind of biblical point, but has no idea what he's talking about...

http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/record.html?record=20895

[Phoenixtongueof fire]

1. He has his head up his ass............

and is inhaling his own gas.

[BurtWorm]

46. Gives a new meaning to "log in his eye."

:freak:

[Pastiche423]

2. Why would straights

have logs in their eyes over something * said?

[Erika]

4. He's appeasing his far right supporters, again!

Falwell and Robertson should at least teach him the Biblical quotes. They saw to it that he mentioned gays sinned. What a joke.

[sexybomber]

39. this will probably answer your question

http://www.msnbc.com/news/945974.asp

fourth paragraph

[Maple]

3. He must mean the phrase

about having a 'mote' in your own eye.

I thought he read the bible every day. Surely he could quote it better than this.

[Generic Other]

5. What he meant to say:

Is that a log in your eye or are you just happy to see me?

[itcfish]

51. LOL

Now that was funny. May West!

[Maple]

6. Are you ready for this?

The actual quote is...

"Thou hypocrite,first cast out the BEAM out of thine own eye; and then shall thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.'

Matthew 7:5

I gather he thought a 'beam' was like a ceiling beam...and made that into a more folksy 'log'.

[Pastiche423]

9. What * said was more confusing

"I am mindful that we're all sinners and I caution those who may try to take a speck out of the neighbor's eye when they got a log in their own,"

He makes my brain hurt.

[Rowdyboy]

12. Make the bad man stop, mommy...

Make him stop!!!!!

[BrotherBuzz]

14. I don't get it. What's all this talk about I-beams?

[Atlant]

34. Shrub has a closet thing about ironworkers. (NT)

[dsc]

7. Wrong on policy

but right on the quote. Sorry but that is a reasonable paraphrase of that Biblical verse.

[Maple]

8. Wrong kind of beam

Beam of light.

A ray or shaft of light.
A concentrated stream of particles or a similar propagation of waves: a beam of protons; a beam of light.

Mote

A very small particle; a speck: “Dust motes hung in a slant of sunlight”

[dsc]

15. sorry but I think you are wrong

As your post points out the spelling is the same and since the second thing is an actually physical thing in ones eye the first thing should be too. I don't relish defending Bush but here he is sort of right. I never have seen his actual words used but I have seen beam and splinter used. He also is using it to make the correct point about judging people. This is not one of his dumb quotes.

[Maple]

16. We disagree then

You can have a beam of light in your eyes, and specks of dust in your eyes.

You can't have wooden beams or logs in your eyes.

No wonder he confused people.

[boilerbabe]

41. You could have wooden beams in your eyes if you are a totem pole! n/t

[GreenArrow]

50. Beam as used in this sense is synomymous with splinter

.

[WilliamPitt]

18. "Before attending to the mote in thy neighbor's eye,

attend to the beam in thine own."

Meaning: Don't bother with the speck of a problem your neighbor has, but deal with the big beam of wood that is your own set of issues.

St. Sebastians
Holy Cross
Sacred Heart

:)

[Maple]

21. Beam of light blinding you (blinded by the light)

vs dust.

No wood involved.

It's an eye for goodness sakes, not a construction site! :D

[WilliamPitt]

25. Mote v. Beam

A mote is a speck of dust. It doesn't make sense for the beam to be light. The comparison doesn't hold. Mote is solid, ergo beam is solid, ergo beam refers to a roof beam or something like that.

[Maple]

28. LOLOL

It doesn't make any sense for a beam in your eye to be a roof beam!

And as you can see, when Bush translated it into log, everyone got confused.

But, whatever you were taught, unless you want to check the original language.

After all, it's your president, and no doubt has to be an American translation.

[mitchum]

29. Yes..but the Nazarene was known for his use of metaphor...

I don't think he ever thought that a camel could pass through the eye of a needle (with difficulty or not) It really is beam = plank, board, etc (not light)

[Nihil]

52. Yep, but (casting my mind back to school-days) ...

... the metaphor was (usually) very relevant to the audience,
that's how the message could be put across.

IIRC, the Eye of a Needle was the narrow, dark arch of a gateway
(typically drawn as a minaret or similar) ... it was not always
easy to make a camel (or horse or donkey) go from the bright daylight
into this unknown passageway where unseen hazards may lurk - it wasn't
wide enough to turn the animal round if it got skittish (and you don't
want to be behind a frightened camel ...)

Nihil

[Must_B_Free]

31. Here is the true meaning revealed

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

you don't cast out a beam of light, you turn your head or shade your face.

[REP]

33. Laugh Out Loud, Indeed

In the Latin, the word is "trabem" and indeed some its meanings are "log" and "roof beam."


Sheesh, people! I'm not even nominally Xian and I know this shit!

[REP]

32. Take a Look at These Popular Translations

This is one of the better-known bible quotes, and to say it means "rays of light" is, well, silly. The literal meaning is before you talk about someone's minor fault, take a look at your own large fault.

A quick comparison of different translations of the bible shows this quite clearly:

"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." The New American Standard Bible

"hypocrita eice primum trabem de oculo tuo et tunc videbis eicere festucam de oculo fratris tui" The Latin Vulgate (trabem = tree trunk; log, club, spear; beam, timber, rafter; ship, vessel; roof, house)

"Hypocrite! First take the log out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." The Holman Christian Standard Bible

A reading of Matthew 7:1-5 also makes it clear that it is not "rays of light" being discussed:

"1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." King James Version

[boilerbabe]

40. Very Good Clarification

Unfortunately the person running our country would do better as a stand up comedian. Add another one to the Bush Dyslexicon!

[Rowdyboy]

10. Regardless of definition...

WTF was he trying to say in his Neanderthalish way?

[Maple]

13. Yeah...we are all sinners

so we musn't be nasty to gays and lesbians, but we won't let them marry either.

[OrdinaryTa]

11. Nobody's Perfect, Says Bush

Bush is taking himself very seriously. He must have feeling kindly disposed towards gays when he told Americans not to judge them. "We are all sinners," said Bush.

A lot of gays are beach town fascists, as far to the right as possible. I wonder how they're receiving the news that Rev. George is telling the flock to pray for homosexuals, shoplifters, alcoholics, wifebeaters and assorted other degenerates. Do not speak unkindly of homosexuals ... instead, shun them. On the Day of Judgment, the Lord will cast them into the darkness ...

[thebigidea]

17. i'm MAKING GOOD PROGRESS

"That is to say, I'm relatering my known intelligences, which is darnful, if not fabulously persuasives... and then, uh - when the die is cast, the needle is sewn, up... you see? Like in Genesis... an eye for an eye... a logjamming uh... partisan for a nihilist... or something... uh... and furthermore, I gots to be makin' good progress on my chicken, so i'll be going now. no further questions."

[Rowdyboy]

19. Actually, I looked up the quote in the Bible...

and as previous posters have said, *43 is accurate. My sincere question is...what did he mean by saying this? I can see nothing he has to gain. No he didn't totally mangle the quote but what is he trying to do here? I'm confused...

[dsc]

22. appeal to moderates

By not judging gays he wants those people to say that Bush maybe against gay marriage but he isn't a hater. He knows he is about maxed out on gay support but he has to keep the moderate vote happy. In short he wants his cake (the Religious Right) and to eat it too (the moderate vote).

[Maple]

23. Yes, I gave the quote

St James version.

[regnaD kciN]

20. In Bush's case, his whole head is made out of a log!

What he's talking about is how we "good people" need to be congnizant of our own errors, and not act too proud while we strip Those Evil Awful People Over There of their civil rights...

:argh:

[sexybomber]

42. now now, don't insult all those good logs out there

by comparing them to Our Great Leader.

[Rowdyboy]

24. Having read everything written here on the subject...

I agree that Bush is just trying to imply moderation to people who WANT acceptance. Wish the future looked better...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

26. Don't you get those from pissing by the roadside?

oh...no...nevermind :evilgrin:

[booley]

27. well, bush baby can't run on anything else..

he can't run on his success abroad becuase he hasn't had any yet (unless you count the ability to bomb to hell two nearly broken down countries already near the stone age to begin with)

and he can't run on his success at home becuase too many people have finally begun to notice that the economic recovery he promised doesn't seem to include them or anybody they know.

So all he has left to run on is the bigotry of his own base. sad to say, few things motivate like hate.

[devarsi]

30. Bush Could Mean ANYTHING

He could be talking about having a Log Cabin in your party, for all we know. :-)

Look for more compassionate conservative crapola as the election draws nearer. The man is going into chameleon mode.

[libtexan]

35. Beam-

me up, Scotty.

a long time since I rock and rolled

pretty hot lately

or Jack, what's your pleasure

raise high the roof

is opposite of smirk

moan the fact that * still has a year

[seemslikeadream]

36. I haven't heard this much talk about a log since

Twin Peaks!

[boilerbabe]

37. I thought you meant a Log Cabin Republican in his eye!

He is obviously against gays, no matter how he tries to backpedal.

[Atlant]

38. Bush was probably channeling thoughts about "Log Cabin Republicans" (NT)

[DemLikr]

43. I'VE GOT A LOG IN MY PANTS! and shrub can get down on it

at any time. While he's down there I'll turn around so he can kiss my ass.

[slappypan]

44. Perhaps it was a Twin Peaks reference ...

"My log knows!" — The Log Lady

[seemslikeadream]

45. That's beautiful!

Thanks for the picture.

[tibbiit]

47. I think hes saying

I think hes saying--
While gay sex is a sin, we are all sinners too so dont go beating up gays.
To my way of thinking he said its a given gay sex is sin.

Do is read it totaly wrong?
tib

[Gringo]

48. I object to being labeled a sinner by the likes of him.

People who say we are all sinners are being very presumptuous, since "Sin" is only a construct of their own superstitious delusions.

I have probably done a few things I would consider unethical or immoral, but I learned from them, and am a better person for it. I don't accept the notion that I must be tainted for life by a mere mistake.

Besides, his calling all of us sinners is really the pot calling the kettle black. The only gays who are near as "sinful" as Dumbya are Sully and the Log Cabiners.

[tibbiit]

49. Yep

I would think gay republicans would be going HUH???
It would piss me off royally to have the chimp, after lying us into a war, killing thousands for the sake of US positioning and Oil-- equate gay sex with sin. Shouldnt the Sully's of the world be pissed?

To me, Bush said outloud what all the repigs think about Gay life.
Log cabin folk should be outraged!
tib

[seemslikeadream]

53. I object to his goons in the Senate

calling Dick Durbin and Pat Leahey bad Catholics and a group formed just to spread the word on how bad those Catholics are!