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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:36 AM
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Big: Tommorrow on Hardball (Matthews talks about Gore Vs. Bush II)
Wow! Just heard this advertised on MSNBC. They are running with this! They are already touting it like a heavy weight fight. I can see it now, President Gore in the White House in 05. I cant wait to see what is said on Hardball tommorrow night.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:45 AM
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1. I love Gore, BUT
...they are only doing this to discredit the current Democrats now.

Gore will not be running, and shouldn't be (as he said he wasn't going too).

Gore is da' bomb. But it is important that we build up a contender for Bush, a real contender not Hilary, not Gore, not George Washington. But one of the 9 dream team canidates.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:46 AM
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2. I wish I could explain everything to you
that is going on the inside, but I cant it is still under raps. But I can tell you that this is not a hoax.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:51 AM
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4. well hahaha
Won't Gore feel stupid when he doesn't gain the nomination.

If he hadn't fropped out, he would be the front runner, but if he comes back now, he'll be seen as a Ross Perot or Mike Tayler.

Gore WILL be president one day, but probably around 2012 or 2016.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:53 AM
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5. Gore would win the nomiation by a landslide!
Dean is weaker than Bradely was in 00. It would be easy for him.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:57 AM
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6. No he won't
first of all Al Gore is not an idiot. He said he wasn't running, and he won't be.

AND IF HE WERE TO RUN, what do you think the other nine democrats are going to do? We don't need the Republicans in the media to call him dishonest because he will show that off himself.

He won't win the nomination because enough people will be unhappy with him jumping out and thean in, and will equate him with Perot.

HAD Gore not dropped out, he probably would win the nomination, but if he jumps in now, he will have no chance.
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LiberalLibra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 03:37 AM
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8. OMG, how I want to know Gore is running. Talk about mobalizing a country..
....that would do it. :bounce: :bounce:
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Lostnote03 Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 04:00 AM
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10. Damn I hope that you are right!!!
Edited on Thu Jul-31-03 04:01 AM by Lostnote03
....I firmly believe that it will take Gores presence to emphatically reverse the "red-line" Repubs hysteria....This will scare the hell out of the Bush cabal...."Hey Gore, you've wanted to be President for a very long time....get off your butt and start acting like one"....
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:49 AM
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3. I hate Matthews but I'll watch
Edited on Thu Jul-31-03 12:51 AM by madmax
during the entire campaign of 2000 that little (*^$$##!!! lied about Al Gore. He called Al a serial liar and constantly brought up every b.s. story like inventing the internet, love canal, love story. He did this while laughing and having a jolly good time with every winger he had on his show.

How can anyone with his sleazy tactics gain the respect of the American public or of his so called peers. Oh, silly me they're all whores. :grr:

I wonder if his conscience bothers him at all?? Does this war and the death of innocent men, women and children cause him to lose sleep? Anything remorse what so ever? Nah.

If Al runs I hope he picks Clark for VP. No Lieberman this time.
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 03:27 AM
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7. Hey C - Digesting the Hill
Monica and Herb (me) of Draft Gore 2004 PAC digest the article in The Hill today...

This is our reading of the events...

Citing:
http://www.thehill.com/news/073003/gore.aspx
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/politics/national/features/4064/

Also, not talked about in the transcript but interesting:
http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=3188411

Whitesides interviewed both Monica and I in early June but waitied until today to publish this?

What do YOU think of this??

Herb Riede

----------------
(Taken from Instant Message Transcript, nicks changed, unrelated info removed)

Herb: I've been doing my typical ripping apart of the words of the article again and found some interesting points

Herb: Armistead, a good friend of Gore’s for more than 40 years, said ... ''I think he’d like to grit his teeth and jump back in''

Herb: The former DNC official, who was active in Gore’s 2000 campaign, said his prediction of another Gore campaign is based on more than a hunch.

Herb: MORE than a HUNCH

Herb: but then McLean (where'd she come from??) deflates most of it...(wasn't that a burger?)

Monica: I know ... this is the part that we keep hearing, too: “I’ve had a lot of people that know him real well tell me that he ought to get back in. I hear it daily. ‘He got out too soon.’ ‘I wish Al never got out of the race.’”

Monica: Also

Monica: He believes, as other Gore confidants do, that the political climate has changed significantly since December, making Bush more vulnerable to defeat in his bid for a second term.

Monica: So it's not just flip-flopping. He has good reason.

Herb: and according to
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/politics/national/features/4064/
Armistead saying ''people that know him real well'' implies very few

Herb: cause he knows him better than Tommy Lee Jones

Herb: Steve knows Al. They have been friends since Gore was 8 and Armistead was 9...

Herb: Al had met his second girlfriend, Tipper; his first and only other girlfriend was Steve's sister, Donna

Herb: Along with Tommy Lee Jones, he served as an usher at Al's wedding. (The night before, Steve says, he and Gore went on a bender, arriving noticeably hung over before the nuptials.) It was Steve whom Al approached for advice when he was tortured about his decision to go to Vietnam

Monica: Interesting. I should make a note of all this. But seriously, would such a close friend make up a story like this without Al's ok?

Herb: I don't know

Herb: "Oh, that's where he totaled the Chevy Impala," he says, pointing out the window, and recalling the day a teenage Al came running up to him on the farm, barefoot and horrified after he'd "flipped the car over about thirteen times into a gully" trying to pass a truck on his way back from summer class. Somehow, Gore crawled through the window and escaped unscathed, but was terrified of telling his parents about the wreck. "C'mon," said Steve, swinging an arm around his buddy. "Let's go tell your mama!"

Monica: lol ... tsk, tsk, Al, how could you?

Herb: Though he has no official role in the campaign, Armistead nonetheless exerts a powerful influence, derived from his history and obvious loyalty to the candidate. Steve would do just about anything for Al.

Monica: There's no way in hell he'd risk his frienship (or even a little part thereof) by talking about this without checking with Al. If he's not running, it's a trial balloon.

Herb: His other role in the campaign was to serve as an occasional reality check for Al, usually at Tipper's behest.

Herb: that sentence just floored me

Monica: like I say, he more than anyone makes me think it's serious. The other one is an unnamed source. But he went on the record.

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LiberalLibra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 03:39 AM
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9. Someone give DETAILED REPORTS for the non cable crowd.....
....a verbatum report. PLEASE??!!
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DEMActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 04:03 AM
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11. Ho hum, yawn....
So when Gore doesn't fight for you AGAIN, will you finally quit annoying people with your cheerleading for a man who doesn't WANT the Presidency?
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 04:03 AM
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12. !
God, am I torn about this! Gore.. Dean.. Gore.. Dean?

If he were to run, Gore could mangle Bush - if only he'd take off the kid gloves. He could frame it subtly as an "I Told You So" campaign.
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