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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 04:50 PM
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Would you criticize Bill Clinton if it guaranteed a defeat of the Repub..
House? I'll give it a shot. I blame Clinton for signing the Nafta and other trade agreements. Granted, it would never have passed in a Democratic House but the Republicans laid it on his desk and he signed it. He and the Republicans are to blame.

The Republicans see the writing on the wall that many Democrats have not yet seen. They also hear that giant sucking sound that Ross Perot warned us about. Jobs are hemorrhaging out of this country. Manufacturing jobs have almost completely deserted. The Repubs know this is a hot, hot issue and they want to head it off at the pass by blaming it on Nafta and Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton deserves part of the blame, but so does the radical Republican Congress. That is what people need to change if they are truly worried about losing their jobs. The Congress needs to be replaced, no matter who wins the Presidency.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 04:52 PM
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1. I criticise him anyway.
So, yes.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:03 PM
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6. Ditto. (nt)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:16 PM
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13. Same here
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 04:54 PM
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2. There is nothing wrong with admitting Clinton's faults.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 04:54 PM
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3. I criticize him all the time
that's the difference between us and them. We're not afraid and they're all in lockstep. Bushbots the lot of them.
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 04:56 PM
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4. excellent post - suddenly, this is THE hot topic...
...for the candidates...

...but I don't see the repubs saying anything about doing away with NAFTA. They're still saying that "new technologies" will replace jobs that are being lost. Are any repubs saying anything different than this?

NAFTA completely favors corporations - and repubs are the corporations' biggest champions.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 04:58 PM
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5. Nothing wrong with criticizing him for the things he may have done wrong.
As long as he don't have to talk about his sexcual exploits anymore.
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uberotto Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:04 PM
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7. Clinton was (and still is) a Great Politician...
which by definition makes him a Poor Excuse for a Human Being. He's not the kind of person I would want living next door.

Clinton was fun to watch, but there were several things that he did while in office that I did not agree with.


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LostInTheMaise Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:07 PM
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8. I'll criticize him (and anyone else) anytime I please
None of our elected leaders are beyond my critical examination. That includes Bush, Clinton, Kerry, Fritz, Kucinich, Jeb, Dean and the Pope himself.

Damn few of any leaders are out to help anyone but themselves.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:07 PM
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9. I would so much more like to criticize Bush*
Criticizing Clinton is not going to win back Congress but criticizing Bush* may very well do just that. If enough Republicans get disgusted with Bush* that they decide to just not vote then many of those so-called "safe" seats may just be up for grabs. We need to get enough information out about this Cabal and their handling of our money that decent people will not be able to justify voting for that man again. We don't need to make any shit up either, all we have to do is get the truth out there and remember to think "It's the Deficit Stupid".
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:17 PM
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14. Because if you don't criticize Clinton for Nafta, then....
it doesn't get discussed. The Repubs will be successful in spinning it that it was Clinton that signed the bill. That is true, but it was the Republicans that voted en masse to pass it. Very few Democrats in the House voted for it. That is why we have it.

Many voters are not aware of the transgression of these Radical Repubs.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:08 PM
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10. I believe NAFTA would have passed w/a dem house
for example out of the cannidates only kucinich (i dont know what al sharpton thought backten)opposed NAFTA backthen
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:08 PM
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11. Geeeeez, what is this stuff with Clinton being so perfect
and above criticism??

There were obvious things he did wrong, but then, since most of you are well-enough off, you don't have to think or worry about the people who were cut off welfare with no place to go, and no way to survive.

The guy screwed up in some ways. Deal with it.


Kanary
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:20 PM
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15. when we place any politician
above reproach we are asking for trouble Of course Clinton made mistakes He is not perfect
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:14 PM
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12. A woman Named Umhaider cant tell difference between bush and clinton
She is an iraqi woman who i got to film when she came over here with help from voices in the wilderness to get treatment for her son who had a hundred peices of shrapnel her oldest son at thirteen was killed by american bombs during 1999.Because of Sanctions that wre continued under clinton 1.5 million iraqis died or so says unicef We literally took a first world country and turned it into third world country.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:23 PM
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16. NAFTA, the '96 Cable Act, a few other things...
The Gingrich Gang did more damage than Bill, any way you wanna look at it.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:28 PM
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18. ...like DOMA and DADT
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:26 PM
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17. Bush 41 his the author of NAFTA...he wrote it....it was waiting on Bills
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 05:27 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
desk right after his inauguration. yes Bill could have vetoed it but than then Congress would have overridden it by 2/4's vote or a "pocket veto" anyway you slice or dice it NAFTA was gonna be law GOP controlled everything. remember they shut down the gov't TWICE! imho it would have become law regardless.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:31 PM
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19. Were Democrats in control of House and Senate when Nafta passed?
Wasn't Nafta early in Clinton's term?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:43 PM
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21. i don't think so. the repukes shut down the gov't twice in
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 05:52 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
Clinton's first term...and imho it made us mad and aided in his re-election,,,people were pissed at repuykes for abusing their power and bully tactics!
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tomorrowsashes Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:32 PM
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20. Bill Clinton hurt the country more than he helped
Bill Clinton upheld sanctions on Iraq, which killed more people than the war, supported NAFTA, which screw workers worldwide, and encouraged a fairy tale economic boom in which the median salary of the working class did not go up at all. He made the democratic party into the new republicans, allowing the republicans to become the new fascists. I can't see why anyone thinks he was a good president.
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 06:15 PM
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22. You mean you just guaranteed the defeat of the Republicans in the House?
Wow! How did that work? Was it voodoo or something? We've been trying to get those bastards out of there for a decade and you accomplish the whole thing just by criticizing Clinton! Wow! I can't wait to read the headlines in tomorrow's paper!

Unless - wait a minute - is it possible that criticizing Clinton doesn't do a GD thing to the Republicans in the House?
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