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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:37 PM
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Buck Up People - They Will Find the WMD's
Why you think they're holding on to it so much? They could have easily let it go by now and let the focus move elsewhere, but they continue to trumpet it. They bring Cheney out from under his rock to spout off about it. They just won't let it go.

Long long ago there were people here who said they were trying to sucker us and wait until the right time. I always discounted this theory, but now I'm not so sure. By continuing to trumpet it they are getting the democrats to shrill louder and louder about it. Wait until all of the democratic candidates, or at least the one who becomes nominee, makes it a big campaign issue, then WHAM! Daily Double. We find Osama Bin Laden (or at least a fake Bin Laden) trying to move the wmd's from some cave in Iraq.

I smell something and it don't smell good. :tinfoilhat:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:40 PM
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1. possible, but not inevitable
because if they find them, they would have to back-peddle their back-peddling. Because now what you have are many credible people saying that they're just not there.
But it's worth keeping an eye on.

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:40 PM
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2. No it will be WMD Related Program Activities
I'm sure they will dig out one of Bush*'s coloring books and say "see I told you so".
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:42 PM
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3. no they won't
and nobody will care as Bush sails to re-election victory
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:04 PM
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7. I'm surprised at you Terwilliger!
Don't you mean "re-selected"?
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WorldBuilder Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:15 PM
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17. Or...
"Re-bought"? ;)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 04:00 PM
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20. Hi WorldBuilder!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:43 PM
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4. US credibility could be lower...
But it would take massive excavating tools to dig the pit deep enough to get it there. If they have the anacephalic audacity to pull even one element of your theory, at some critcal point in the GE, then they will face a concerted, world-wide, and intensive perusal of their actions, on a scale never seen before.
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Homer12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:43 PM
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5. I agree...
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 12:44 PM by Homer12
...but if it's the WMD'sm, why wait so long. Finding the WMD's earlier not only would cement more support, but help legitamize(on paper) Bushco's personal imperial war.

I think they'll do something else, lets say go to war or have a gulk-of-tonken(sic) type attack on US forces by another country. They can alos get their ratings up by doing it this way.

Then again Bin Laden in a hole would work too.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:46 PM
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6. I Think They Have Found Them!!
It was reported this morning that the NASA scientists are excited over the new pictures sent by one of the "Rovers." The pix clearly show an Iraqi flag on one of the rocks!
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justsam Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:32 PM
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8. sure they will
be found by the same people that said that we were in danger of attack.. and they will be found about 3 weeks before the election..
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:39 PM
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9. maybe, maybe, the "october surprise" either that or Osama capture
but it makes me uneasy too
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:52 PM
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10. well I know they are TRYING to plant them
but I am sure that is much easier said than done. I have no doubts that they will be planting them.
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justsam Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:56 PM
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12. after seeing that they have got
us into a never ending war and a deficit that my GKs will be paying, i wouldn't put anything past them
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:42 PM
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19. you got that right, justsam
welcome to the DU ! :hi:
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:56 PM
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11. Time to try again?
not sure what this is worth, but I don't think it's too far fetched.
They could get away with it I suppose.

July 2, 2003
Pentagon Whistleblower Reveals CIA/DoD Fiascos

According to a stunning report posted by a retired Navy Lt. Commander and 28-year veteran of the Defense Department, the Bush administration's assurance about finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was based on a CIA plan to "plant" WMDs inside the country. Nelda Rogers, the Pentagon whistleblower, claims the plan failed when the secret mission was mistakenly taken out by "friendly fire."

A DoD whistleblower details an attempt by a covert US team to plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The team was later killed by friendly fire due to CIA incompetence. In a world exclusive, Al Martin Raw.com <http://www.almartinraw.com/> has published a news story about a Department of Defense whistleblower who has revealed that a US covert-operations team had planted "Weapons of Mass Destruction" (WMDs) in Iraq, then "lost" them when the team was killed by so-called "friendly fire."

The Pentagon whistleblower, Nelda Rogers, is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the Defense Department. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq. According to Al Martin Raw.com, "Ms. Rogers is number two in the chain of command within this DoD special intelligence office. This is a ten-person debriefing unit within the central debriefing office for the Department of Defense."

The information that is being leaked out is information "obtained while she was in Germany heading up the debriefing of returning service personnel, involved in intelligence work in Iraq for the Department of Defense and/or the Central Intelligence Agency. "According to Ms. Rogers, there was a covert military operation that took place both preceding and during the hostilities in Iraq," reports Al Martin Raw.com, an online subscriber-based news/analysis service which provides "Political, Economic and Financial Intelligence."

Al Martin is a retired Lt. Commander (US Navy), the author of a memoir called "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider, " and he is considered one of America's foremost experts on corporate and government fraud. Ms. Rogers reports that this particular covert operation team was manned by ex-military personnel and that "the unit was paid through the Department of Agriculture in order to hide it, which is also very commonplace."

According to Al Martin Raw.com, "the Ag Department has often been used as a paymaster on behalf of the CIA, DIA, and NSA and others." Accordng to the Al Martin Raw.com story, another aspect of Ms. Rogers' report concerns a covert operation which was to locate the assets of Saddam Hussein and his family, including cash, gold bullion, jewelry and assorted valuable antiquities.

The problem became evident when "the operation in Iraq involved 100 people, all of whom apparently are now dead, having succumbed to so-called `friendly fire.' The scope of this operation included the penetration of the Central Bank of Iraq, other large commercial banks in Baghdad, the Iraqi National Museum and certain presidential palaces where monies and bullion were secreted."

"They identified about $2 billion of cash in US dollars, another $150 million in Euros, in physical banknotes, and about another $100 million in sundry foreign currencies ranging from Yen to British Pounds," reports Al Martin.

"These people died, mostly in the same place in Baghdad, supposedly from a stray cruise missile or a combination of missiles and bombs that went astray," Martin continues. "There were supposedly 76 who died there and the other 24 died through a variety of 'friendly fire,' 'mistaken identity,' and some of them---their whereabouts are simply unknown." Ms. Rogers' story sounds like an updated 21st-Century version of Treasure Island meets Ali Baba and the Bush Cabal Thieves, writes Martin.

"This was a contingent of CIA/ DoD operatives, but it was really the CIA that bungled it," Ms. Rogers said. "They were relying on the CIA's ability to organize an effort to seize these assets and to be able to extract these assets because the CIA claimed it had resources on the ground within the Iraqi army and the Iraqi government who had been paid. That turned out to be completely bogus. As usual."

"CIA people were supposed to be handling it," Martin continues. "They had a special `black (unmarked) aircraft to fly it out. But none of that happened because the regular US Army showed up, stumbled onto it and everyone involved had to scramble
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18. cal04, please limit the posting of quotes
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DevilsAdvocate2 Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:56 PM
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13. What if WMDs are found?
If the U.S. said tomorrow that it had found tons of stockpiles, how many would believe they were Saddam's versus planted by the U.S.?
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:13 PM
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15. Americans would believe it.
Not the rest of the world. Americans would fall for it hook line and sinker. You have to realize that a lot of people want to be right and they will take anything to be right. They'll just start talking that "grassy knoll" shit again if anybody doubts.
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BigBigBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:09 PM
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14. This is why I doubt it
You've had two or three teams scouring the country for nine months, finding nothing. Then, David Kay, handpicked to validate Bush's assertions about WMD, publicly stating that they found nothing, and found no evidence anything WAS there, nor evidence anything had been moved.

Any development on WMD at this point will reek to high heaven, and no one will believe it. It would probably be in their interest at this point NOT to find anything, since it would cast another question of legitimacy on an administration already bruised by questions of truthfullness.

I think this subject is done - Rove just wants it to disappear.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:15 PM
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16. If Rove wants it to disappear, why the hell do they keep bringing it
up? The public is ready to sop up the lie that Bush was misled so why don't they let it drop. Instead they keep saying they will be found. Makes me suspicious.
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