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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 11:55 AM
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Why did * not hide WMD in Iraq?
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 11:58 AM by eye22004
and don't tell me he couldn't find anyone to do it, everyone has his price, and * surely could have paid anything. I don't understand why he didn't CYA on this?

Not enough time?
Getting them "in country"?

Or is this all part of the PNAC? Someone here said something about getting rid of the CIA would be a PNAC-ers wet dream? Could that be why? Not only did they get a war, they got bonuses also?

Thoughts?

:shrug:





on edit: added "in Iraq" to question
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:01 PM
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1. because contrary to what seems like popular opinion these days
conspiracies are actually very difficult to implement. To plant weapons in the quantities required would have been logistically impossible without giving away that you were doing it.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:09 PM
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10. That's right, and our soldiers would have to be involved... and even
though they're being scammed, they wouldn't all be treasonous. Someone would talk.

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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:10 PM
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11. You are probably correct
I can come up with all sorts of "theories" for things, but usually the simplest answer is the right answer.

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:02 PM
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2. That is a perplexing question.
I figured for sure that if the WMD weren't there, they would find some way to plant them. After all, coming up empty should have destroyed any credibility this sorry excuse for a presidential administration ever had.

But the media went right along with the bait-and-switch of "Saddam is a bad man, we had to take him out." If no one holds the WH accountable, there's really no reason to plant the weapons, eh?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:02 PM
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3. There was a little bit of news coverage to an attempt--foiled
(serendipitously) by Iraqi insurgent's attacks on American troops.... Anyone remember that? I don't have the link or bookmark, but I do remember this clearly....
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:09 PM
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9. Believe Al Martin did a story on that
but maybe the bigger question is:

If you listen closely, the REAL worry of U.S. weapons inspectors in Iraq is where the WMD Saddam ALREADY had and which we knew he had
BEFORE his alleged ADDITIONS to that WMD stock, have gone. We know
that US special ops units went into Iraq months before the March 2003 'invasion'. The mission of some or all of them could have been to searching for WMD -- OR to PLANT them. When we finally invaded, it is therefore possible that ALREADY PLANTED WMD were, then, MISSING -- i.e. NOT where they had been planted, or reported to have been planted, and the real question is...
where ARE they? That is, one possible scenario is that the U.S. can't admit to what happened and its true concern because, to do so, it would have to first admit that it PLANTED the WMD that are now MISSING in the FIRST PLACE. If this is anywhere close to being correct, the 'thieves' of the already-planted WMD would have to be some VERY close U.S. ally who double tricked the U.S.

From an e-mail I received - thought provoking for sure.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:50 PM
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20. Something about the troops and a "hauling operation"
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 02:51 PM by truth2power
at the airport? Anyone remember this?

edit> changed expedition to operation.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:02 PM
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4. The day is young ...
wait for Sep/Oct when they would benefit the most.

Cheers
Drifter
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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:11 PM
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12. Grrrr
if they trot out bin Laden and WMD within weeks, I hope NOBODY believes its a coincidence.
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judge_smales Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:02 PM
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5. Because the

"Made in France" stickers kept falling off.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:07 PM
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6. don't you mean "Made in US"?
As someone said, US 'knew' Iraq had WMD because US sold them to Iraq/
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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:08 PM
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7. lol
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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:09 PM
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8. well..
the weapons can be traceable, but that's assuming we would've even let a UN team or anyone else near them to inspect.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:11 PM
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13. If you believe the Pakistanis (and I do)
they did try. The team was injured or killed. No link, sorry, it was a while back. But to believe that they didn't try to plant WMDs is to believe that they are honest. Not a concept I can get my head around personally.
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:13 PM
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14. Why would he need to hide anything
By and large, the public is going to buy his BS with or without proof. They are now spinning that Iraq had WMD ingredients not WMD.

By time the election rolls around we are going to be hearing about how Saddam had to be taken out not because of terrorism (1st lie), not because of WMD (2nd lie), not because of WMD ingredients (3rd lie), but because he was a bad man who murdered people and threatened the lives of his citizens (but so is bush).

The fact that Bush murdered our citizens to protect people who didn't ask us for help will not be brought up.

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Devlzown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:13 PM
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15. Because that would conclude
this whole mess, and we can't have that. This war must continue. The WMDs must have been carried off into Syria or Iran so that we have an excuse to invade those countries when we see fit.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:20 PM
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16. Too many people involved...
First off, you need the scientists here to manufacture an undocumented surplus (or risk some ordinance tech at reporting a shortage and or theft). Or have the CIA forge the invoices. Then you need to transport them, that means by ship or cargo plane, and in massive quantities. Then by truck to the sight, all while the nation of Iraq is under massive scrutiny world-wide. Impossible to do without being caught or leaked.
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TomNickell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:30 PM
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17. Because he couldn't.
As several posters have pointed out, planting WMDs would be a complex project that would require the cooperation of -many- highly competent people.

They couldn't pull it off. And they certainly couldn't be sure that the story would not leak or unravel--which would be catastrophic.
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Petrodollar Warfare Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:33 PM
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18. Forensic evidence could dispell a fradulent WMD plant
...remember the UN team has collected tens of thousands of documents and scientific analysis on every tiny aspect of Iraq's WMD prgram, (including DNA analysis of organic material), plus most the Iraqi scientist from the 1980's program are still alive. That makes planting WMD frought with issues, including logistical issues as mentioned in previous posts.

In other words, the UN had extensive "fingerprints" on every aspect of the old WMD program, and planting evidence that turned out to be fradulent would be quite a scandal...kind of like those forgerd documents from Niger re "yellow cake" that made it into Bushs speech.. some one is responsible, but who?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:52 PM
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19. They tried to. Ended up in a total SNAFU
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 01:54 PM by Tinoire

CIA and DOD Attempted To Plant WMD In Iraq
Iraqwar.ru 20 June 2003
www.globalresearch.ca 15 August 2003
The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/IRA308A.html


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A DOD whistleblower detail an attempt by a covert U.S. team to plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The team was later killed by friendly fire due to CIA incompetence. Pentagon Whistleblower Reveals CIA/ DoD Fiascos 20.06.2003 <08:07>

In a world exclusive, Al Martin Raw.com has published a news story about a Department of Defense whistleblower who has revealed that a US covert operations team had planted “Weapons of Mass Destruction” (WMDs) in Iraq – then “lost” them when the team was killed by so-called “friendly fire.”

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Accordng to the Al Martin Raw.com story, another aspect of Ms. Rogers' report concerns a covert operation which was to locate the assets of Saddam Hussein and his family, including cash, gold bullion, jewelry and assorted valuable antiquities.

The problem became evident when “the operation in Iraq involved 100 people, all of whom apparently are now dead, having succumbed to so-called ‘friendly fire.’ The scope of this operation included the penetration of the Central Bank of Iraq, other large commercial banks in Baghdad, the Iraqi National Museum and certain presidential palaces where monies and bullion were secreted.”

<snip>

“These people died, mostly in the same place in Baghdad, supposedly from a stray cruise missile or a combination of missiles and bombs that went astray,” Martin continues. “There were supposedly 76 who died there and the other 24 died through a variety of 'friendly fire,' 'mistaken identity,' and some of them – their whereabouts are simply unknown.”

<snip>

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/IRA308A.html

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