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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:00 PM
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Bush's photo op with Polish pres turns into WMD Q&A
It's live right now, so look for the transcripts later, but essentially Bush is being asked if he owes the American people an explanation and he responded "I appreciate David Kay's work" (he has actually said that twice). For those of you who are keeping score, that was the same response he first had when asked about Paul O'Neill..."I appreciate his work."

His response to "Do you believe there were, are, or ever will be WMDs":

"Saddam bad, democracy good."

Thank you, Frankenstein. Now could the President please respond?

He will not answer direct questions. He's spinning every one with:

1). Saddam is bad
2). World is safer with no Saddam
3). After 9/11 Saddam could not be trusted
4). Did I mention Saddam is bad?
5). I know more now than I did when we went in there, and Saddam posed an imminent threat, and we got him, so I did the right thing

He's also talking about how the "Guest Worker Program" is going to benefit the people of Poland.

:wtf:

Like I said, watch for the transcripts of this one. It's a keeper.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:02 PM
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1. I think Rove has got to....
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 12:03 PM by dennis4868
update Bush's flash cards when answering this question....
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afraid_of_the_dark Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:05 PM
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2. I love your summary of Bush's response set!
He uses every question to try to pull the "you're not a patriotic American unless you agree with me and my wars" card. I'm hoping that the Polish and others call him on it... that would be hilarious.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:08 PM
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3. Polish pres..said...No visas....he threw that in as an idea to shrub and
the citizens here...No visas...what the hell is that all about?
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:16 PM
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5. It was all happening too fast...
Obviously Bush had an agenda, and it was not to discuss WMDs...although his scripted responses are proof that he knew he couldn't escape the questions.

He has gotten to the point where he cannot control a press conference unless it is the SOTU, structured to not allow questions.

Iraq has become Bush's oval office blowjob.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:51 PM
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22. Poles not among the other W Europeans
who don't have to get visas to vist the US. Poles still have to get visas to come, eventhough they are members of NATO and either are or shortly will be EU (can't remember which).

They feel singled out, IOW.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:57 PM
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23. he better watch out...upstaging the shrub and demanding no visas
during a press conference will make shrub take away the 68 million for planes in the 05 budget.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:16 PM
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4. The transcript will be a gold mine of lies
I was stunned watching this thing, and it takes alot to stun me these days. Bush actually claimed (again) that we had to get Saddam because of the "offense of 9/11".

Bush is a danger to the universe, lock him up before it's too late.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:18 PM
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6. Did he actually use the "imminent threat" line? Please tell me he did!
That would be perfect, considering the debate that's raged over whether or not the bushistas ever used those words or similar phrases that could reasonably be interpreted to mean the same thing.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:22 PM
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7. I didnt hear Imminent threat today....
gin
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:28 PM
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8. "grave and gathering threat"
didn't use imminent

where does "grave" stack up in the color coding against "imminent?"
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:42 PM
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9. from tape
"He had deep hatred in his heart for those who love freedom.
We know he was a dangerous man in a dangerous part of the world. We know that he defied the UN year after year after year. And, given the offense of sept. 11, we know we could not trust the good intentions of Saddam Hussein--he didn't have any."

reporter on Fox (nobody else is talking about it at the moment) says David Kay characterized the intelligence that "led the president and nearly all his senior advisers to say that there was NO DOUBT Saddam had chemical and biological weapons was clearly INACCURATE--WRONG. Mr. Bush said he has great confidence in the intelligence community, and that the findings of the weapons team Kay once led will be compared with the prewar intelligence to determine if there was a problem."

so........the intelligence is being widely denigrated as inaccurate, putting the onus on CIA, etal, as if THEY, as some otherworldly entity, over which dumbo has NO CONTROL (and, by extension, NO responsibility over). right?

so, if the intelligence agencies are the culprit in this, inflicting bad info upon the poor unsuspecting WH factotums, WHY on EARTH is this moran claiming that he has "great confidence" in them?

Is he just compounding his problem, making his incompetence seem even greater than it already is?

hows come the media isn't pointing out this contradiction?

silly question
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:45 PM
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11. oh, yeah, forgot to mention this can of worms.......OSP
as I typed last bit, I was thinking about how the real gatekeeper of info for the junta was the OSP, who isn't getting any mention at all, but forgot to mention it.

now this just popped up

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1059094
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:53 PM
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12. No, george. It's YOU who has "deep hatred in his heart for those
who love freedom."
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:54 PM
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13. "He had deep hatred in his heart for those who love freedom.
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 01:00 PM by Bandit
Iraq was actually the most free of all Arabic countries. Women could wear anything they pleased and work at any job. Iraq under Saddam was by far the most progressive country in the whole middle east. The most westernized and actually practiced a form of Democracy through-out every village. Their leaders were elected. No King or Prince to rule them. Saddam was a dictator but allowed basic freedoms unlike Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. Remember it wasn't to awful long ago that school girls in Saudi Arabia were burnt to death in a fire at their school because they were not permitted outside without proper clothing.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:43 PM
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10. Here's the AP story
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20040127/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_weapons

"There is no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein was a gathering threat to America and others. That's what we know," Bush said."

snip

"The Polish leader defended Bush.


"It's very difficult today to judge how it was — when he had (weapons), when he decided to continue these projects of mass destruction weapons," Kwasniewski said.


Kwasknieswki said a top U.N. weapons inspector had told him that "absolutely, Iraq is ready to produce (weapons) if it is necessary to keep the power of the dictatorship of Saddam and to play such an important role in the region."

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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:56 PM
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14. what???????
did they excise the word "grave?????"

why would they DO that?

it's on tape......I saw it today

just a mistake, I'm sure, right?
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:02 PM
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17. A mistake...yeah, that's the ticket...
Lots of mistakes these days. I have my TV set on subtitles and SAW the word "grave" on the screen. So I guess the grave was "exhumed" before it got to AP...

:-)
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:08 PM
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19. isn't that amazing?
wouldn't you love to know who made the editorial judgment to drop that word from his quote?

while it's obvious they clean up his idiotic syntactic manglings, I find it stunning that they choose to edit out a word that clearly changes the emphasis of his moronic assertions.

they need to be called on the carpet; asked exactly WHY they failed to put quotation marks around those words, without elisions, making it seem as if they accurately recounted what dumbo actually said.

remember, this is the company whose star reporter, Ron Fournier, called the Clintons "hillbillies" on the radio a few years ago.

I know.....I heard it, and called into the show he was on.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:27 PM
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20. On Reuters, "grave" is back and "Bush...dropped his previous certainty"
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:43 PM
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21. interesting about the "grave," cause I just saw another clip without it!
he said "gathering threat," without the word "grave"

so I guess they must've quoted that section.

I saw myself the snip where he said "grave and gathering threat," so he must've repeated himself

disappointed, in a way, that tin foil hat must come off, for now
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:57 PM
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15. I watched for a few min. with the TV muted and saw the Polish Pres.


leaning toward Smirk in a body language saying 'oh please like me'

had he been a dog he would have tried to lick smirk's face.

I turned away then, so maybe it was just a moment in time.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:58 PM
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16. New York Times: "White House Shows Less Certainty Now on Iraq's Arms"
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/27/politics/27WEAP.html

"The White House began to back away on Monday from its assertions that Iraq had illegal weapons, saying it now wanted to compare prewar intelligence assessments with what may be actually found there."

snip

"On Monday White House officials were no longer asserting that stockpiles of banned weapons would eventually be found."

snip

"Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, told reporters en route to an appearance by President Bush in Little Rock, Ark., that the administration would wait for the weapons search team, the Iraq Survey Group, to complete its work before drawing any conclusions about the quality of the intelligence available.

But he said that whatever the group's conclusions, Mr. Bush had done the correct thing in deposing Mr. Hussein because Iraq was clearly working on chemical, biological and nuclear weapons."
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:07 PM
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18. Less?
That is true they are showing LESS certainty but that is because they were 140% certain they were there or at least that that would scare people into believeing what they either DID know or SHOULD HAVE known was not the truth.

Oooh a little less tomorrow then a little less next week then they will erase from the memory banks that they EVER said it and will say that it was about liberation all along. And the NYT will go right along with it.
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