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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 10:35 PM
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Did DLC mess up so bad that they have to let Gore out of Jail
just to have a horse in the race?

Gore is DLCs best shot and probably the Democrats best shot.

Is Gore still a DLCer? I know he helped start it, but it seemed like the DLC abandoned him and locked him in an iron mask and made his evil twin brother the prince...
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 10:37 PM
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1. What is the basis for this argument
That the DLC forced Gore out? Do you and the other conspiracy theorists have any proof beyond your hatred for that organization that the "DLC forced Gore out".

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 10:44 PM
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4. Al Gore: I would Never Start This War
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 10:41 PM
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2. It was the DLC that sabotaged Gore's run in 2004
This could well be an attempt by non-DLC (meaning that they are not Al From's puppets) moderates to bring the strongest candidate possible against Bush. That candidate was Al Gore. Remember that Gore, once he was free from his Campaign 2000 handlers, was quite effective in attacking the Bush regime. Gore was also 100% correct in opposing a unilateral invasion of Iraq withour UN Security Council backing.

It may well be too late for Gore to enter the race.

I don't think Gore will run.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 10:44 PM
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3. Agree on Every Single Point.
And I also agree that Gore won't run. At this point he should not run.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 10:57 PM
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8. Some Democrats may be fearful that the Dean-Kerry contest
will end badly with too much bad blood between their respective supporters.

A Gore candidacy will bring unity, or so the thinking goes.

I am not sure I would buy this argument. The only candidate whose candidacy will split the party were he to become the nominee is Lieberman. He is too extreme for the majority of Democrats.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:02 PM
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9. The Democratic Party Establishment is Having a Coronary with Dean
If Gore stepped in now it would be seen as only a last gasp at stopping Dean which would send millions to the Green Party. It would be beneath Gore to do this and I don't think he will.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 06:34 AM
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20. "Millions" to the Green party???? Got any proof or at least..
a cogent argument. I don't think that many people who aren't already Green will flee to the Green party if Gore runs. That just doesn't make sense.

The goal is to oust Bush. If liberals want to oust bush they will back whoever the best candidate to do so is. If they aren't really serious about ousting bush, you can't really pander to them or waste too much time worrying about what they will do as they just can't be reasoned with or trusted.
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impeach the gop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 10:46 PM
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5. the dlc is fucking DOA
And they must know it. They seem more afraid of the real Democrats (Liberals true blue) than they are of the gopiggies and their destructive evil anti christian assult against humanity.


Looks like smirky does every time we get another terrir alert. They like the toxic texan should be afraid, they should be very afraid. Cause we ain't taking no more shit off anyone.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 10:48 PM
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6. Goddamnit! The DLC is DOA!
And here I have been saying they were toothless, irrelevant and such and you come along with one brilliant single line and capsulize it all. :toast:

THE DLC IS DOA! :hi:
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 10:56 PM
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7. Gore
Gore would win this race. However, I don't think that he'll enter this race at this time because he's been out of it for so long. Possibly (this is a slim but real possibility) Al Gore will run in 2012. Here's my theory:

After eight years of bliss, the Democratic president (you fill in the blank) must retire. His (or her) vice president (I really want Bob Graham to be vice president, so I'm going to assume it's him) decides that, at 76, he doesn't want to run for office. Therefore, the nation turns its head to Al Gore, the man who really won the election in 2000. They've seen how much better a Democrat is than the tyrant Bush and decide to give the man who would've been 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times better president one more shot at the White House. Gore wins and serves eight wonderful years in the White House.
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:05 PM
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10. Bottom line is that Gore will bring out the massive amounts of
voters! He has the right to run or not to run in my view. The best man will win regardless if the votes are counted. The best man is Al Gore!
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 10:50 AM
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24. Why put off till tomarrow.....
what can be done now. If enough of us appealed to Al Gore to please reconsider, I believe his loyalty to the people would make him say yes. We need to promise Al Gore that we will not allow what happen last time to happen again. Justice and the best man for the job all rolledinto one offer of hope ! RE-ELECT GORE 2004
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Videlicet03 Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:23 PM
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11. Joe should be the top guy.
Not Gore. Right team. Wrong order.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:34 PM
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12. Visitor?
eom
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Videlicet03 Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:28 AM
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17. Why?
Is it a problem supporting Joe in here? Is that your implication? If so, why was his avatar on the selection menu?
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 06:52 AM
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22. You aren't going to get a lot of support here
This board HATES Lieberman.
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 10:17 AM
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23. There is nothing wrong with supporting Joe
But the tone of your posts border on intolerance of the idea that anyone other than your candidate should be considered. You're worse than the Dean supporters.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 06:36 AM
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21. Uh huh....
You should be a comedian. I'm in stitches over here. :eyes:
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:36 PM
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13. Yep ...and I hope Gore would denounce the DLC!!!
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:42 PM
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14. The DLC wants to use Gore to destroy Dean
and the proud, committed, hardworking Democrats who are making the DLC corporate thugs irrelevant.
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 10:57 AM
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25. Use Gore ,I dont think so!
I hardly think Gore would go along with trying to destroy another Dem .What Al Gore may realize , is something I believe ,simply that Dean will not win in 2004. He will be painted a liberial with no exprience in the security of our country .Which if you looked at the polls is one of the most important issuses to most! They cannot say this about Al Gore, he has the most exprience ,serving 8 years as V.P. ! Anything else the repugs try on Al Gore will be laughed at with the yea we heard it all B/4 ! Also Gore was right on ,it his predictions of what a bush presidency would do to our country. You want a dem in the White House in 2004 ,RE-ELECT GORE
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:42 PM
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27. Until yesterday I was stuck between three Democratic hopefuls!
I liked some of the things that about 5 of our wanna'-bees were talking about, but I had narrowed it to three and could weed no further, except maybe the all important consideration of one factor! That factor being, who really could inspire the support required to VETO Bushco once and for all?

Beating Bush is the most important task our party has set out to accomplish in decades, if not ever in our party's total history! Even on this board we are divided and on the way to being defeated again, if we cannot SOON unify our broken party!

When I read the statements on this board that Al Gore might consider another run, I had my answer! If we can coax Al to come out smokin' and run again, I think Mr Gore will be the next president, and duly elected this time beyond a margin close enough for any court in the world to overturn! I think Al if anyone, will be on the lookout for crooked electioneering and raise the most hell about it validly!

I think if we run a strongly united campaign starting sooner rather than later and stick together, we can take the White House and the Senate back and even have a shot at the House! Bush steps in more Doo-Doo every day and I'm seeing his support in his own party ebb quickly! I believe Al can unite the fractured democratic party this time far more than his last run did!

I believe Al Gore fairly won the last election, but the margin of victory was not big enough to keep the Repubs from robbing him! I think with Bush's sorry record to attack now, from EVERY angle, Al can kick Bush's Butt bigtime this time!

I believe if Al would throw in his hat today and hammer home the issues powerfully and defiantly, he will poll 50% very quickly! The Pubs have done their worse last election to Al, there would be little new dirt to throw!(no surprises)

Bush is going to start campaigning on the taxpayer's dime while he's on another vacation next month! If Al is going to run, he needs to try and counteract Bush's attack sooner rather than later!

Go AL!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:11 AM
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15. Gore dissed the DLC quite publicly last summer (didn't go
to their shinding but was accross the street) I am sure that this is behind what he said in December: "Some feel that this shouldn't be about the past, so, although I want to run, i won't"
I doubt he'll return to the race, but to say he's DLC, you might as well say Hitchens is a leftie. Too bad some feel so threatened in their one allegiance for whatever candidate to treat other Dems like freepers would. I remember this kind of bad blood during the Florida primaries - the outcome wasn't pretty.
I think each of you should support your candidate best you can and then, also enjoy all the good statements the others make.
Today, I was happy to hear Sharpton on Liberia & others, Graham on 9.11, Kuchinich on bringing the troops home.
I even was glad Biden managed to say something about bush&truth. Try to understand the common goal, while porsuing your own - maybe then we won't form a circular firing squad.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:13 AM
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16. I'm willing to give Gore a chance.
But as things stand right now, it stinks. Bear with me; I can't get the image of Al 'Porky-Pig' From out of my head. :grr:
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:42 AM
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18. I like your style!
I think each of you should support your candidate best you can and then, also enjoy all the good statements the others make.


Those are my sentiments exactly. Well, except when it comes to Liberman; I don't say bad things about him, but I am against him. However, in all other cases I don't believe we should bad mouth the other Democratic candidates.

It seems to me to be a negative expenditure of energy since our main goal is to unseat the squatter now occupying the White House. There has been untold damage done by this administration and it will take years to fix it. By engaging in fractious behavior, we are doing more to damage our chances of unseating geedubya than the gopiggies (all credit to the unnamed poster I first saw use that term) could ever do with their lying and backpedaling.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:03 AM
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19. I think the DLC has run its course

I just hope its death throes don't hurt all of us in the thrashing.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:04 AM
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26. Gore/Clinton ~2008
That is the ticket and time frame. This year it is up to Dean to define the Democratic Party. Are we Red Ink Republican Lite or are we Leftist radicals or somewhere in between. If Dean wins it will reshape the Party but if he loses the DLC will say "I Told You So" long and loud and that will set up the Gore/Clinton ticket. This is an election that will go down in history as much as the 2000 selection.
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