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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:40 AM
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Poll question: What do you guys think of Bill Clinton?
I've noticed people getting negative on the big dog lately. Especially here. So I have a question, do you generally have a positive or negative impression on the big B?
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:45 AM
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1. Best president in the last 30 years.
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:47 AM
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2. all great leaders
in history have had a strong libido.
I'd much rather have an incredibly intelligent leader who happened to have a little problem being sexually faithful to his wife, than a manipulative arrogent aristocrat that prefers to live surrounded by courtiers and handlers so he doesn't have to deal with his subjects unless they present an adoring face to him.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:51 AM
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3. Lincoln, Jefferson, John Adams, FDR and Clinton. Top five.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:57 AM
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4. I voted positive but....
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 03:04 AM by raysr
I've sure heard alot of negative stuff about him in the last year, some I knew and some I didn't. Not scandal stuff but republican-like crap he supported.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:30 PM
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41. Clinton over George Washington and Teddy Roosevelt?
What are you smoking?
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:27 AM
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5. Come back Bill, I need a job, I'll pay for the sex myself.
n/t
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:27 AM
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6. Negative.. some reasons inside..
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 03:43 AM by ThirdWheelLegend

DMCA.

Telecomm Deregulation.

First 'anti-terrorism' act after OK City bombing(beginning of erosion of civil liberties)

Welfare 'reform'

NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA NAFTA

Oh yeah did I mention NAFTA?

He was a charming President who gave a great speech. He did quite a few good things also, but his negatives outweighed his positives.

He is a corporatist just like a majority of Dems and pretty much 100% of republicans.

TWL
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 05:00 AM
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7. World Economic Summit
It was on C-Span Saturday, I think, and I was really disappointed when there were no responses to it. He was absolutely brilliant. I remember the Steak Fry and how everybody was unified and uplifted and remembering what it was like to have a President. Recent attacks on him have been really sad.
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Bronco69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 05:03 AM
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8. Definately the greatest
president since Kennedy. I sure do miss The Big Dog!
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 05:06 AM
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9. LOVE Big Dog
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 05:07 AM by Piperay
but I also sometimes hate him too because he used such poor judgment even when knowing that the rethugs were out to get him. :-(
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 05:47 AM
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10. You took my words exactly
The man's personal behavior is a total mystery to me.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 05:58 AM
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12. An "addiction" I think
I keep referring to poor Madeleine. She said when he explained it he was saying he had been angry for so long. Being hounded for so long. I got the impression it was one of those things where you're just beat to the dirt for so long that you think it doesn't matter what you do anymore. Some people pick up a drink, others pick up a lady. I just wish he hadn't lied when he got caught. It would have been over so quickly if he had just stood right in their face and said "yeah, what of it". He needed a little "bring it on".
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 05:53 AM
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11. Awesome president
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 06:59 AM
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13. Other Than Monica...His Biggest Mistake Was "Dont Ask Dont Tell"
He should have just completely eliminated the ban on homosexuals serving in the military when he had the chance. No compromise. Just let the other side deal with it. With DADT the number of Queer Americans who have been kicked out of the military has INCREASED.

-- Allen
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 06:59 AM
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14. Neutral leaning negative
I liked BC as a president, supported him thru the whole Monica/impeachment deal. But the Monica crap gave the right wing fundies the right (in their minds) to bash all Dems. BC ain't even running but you'd never know it as much as the Right brings him up.

Also, a few months ago BC gave a speech where he basically said it won't be the end of the world if Bush gets 4 more years. He mustreally be out of touch these days, or it's true about the Hillary plan to run in 08.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 07:22 AM
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15. a lesser evil. n/t
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 07:27 AM
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16. Clinton, the best republican the democrats ever had
He was a wanker. He divided the democratic party against itself and sold out the people for business interests. The result is a hollowed out, divided party that is defeated the instant said wanker leaves.

This exact thing is happening in britain with blair (clinton-wanker clone II) He has sold out his party for the other party. Even natural constituents of democrats (like this writer) were in opposition... not because i was supporting republicans, but because clinton divided the house.

He sold us all out, and now he's a mount rushmore hero. The sooner he's petrified and forgotten the better.

Dennis Kucinich IS what i always wished clinton-the-dodger had in him somewhere... honest public spirit.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:58 PM
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37. Couldn't agree with you more
If only Bill had been a Dennis.
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 07:39 AM
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17. Americans have short memorey !
The differance from what we have now and the last great President Bill Clinton is like night and day ! How the repugs can defend this current nightmare that was installed in the White House is beyound me .To top it off ,Iam constantly hearing them wine ,that no other president has had such hateful things said about them as bush has .WHAT ! I was living in this country and mt eyes and ears where working for the entire 8 years plus, of the repug witch hunt against President Clinton ! Unlike the pResident the media did not give President Clinton a pass at every turn .The arguements against bush are on policy, not as much on personal behavior. However even on that bush has left himself open when he ran on the "family values" baloney that was all just smoke and mirrors , to hide his pro corperate,anti middle class record ! He even has alot of repugs now asking where's the beef ? He ran on a bunch of lies and continues his stand on these same lies , I feel sorry for the ill informed that are still buying into this B/S and take my hats off to the repugs that are smart enough to see thru it all !
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 07:43 AM
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18. Would have taken a bullet for the Big Dawg.
I truly hope that SOME DAY the Murkan Sheeple will pull their heads out of their asses and realize what they had with Clinton.

Was he perfect? No. But I think he is truly one of the Greats.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 08:00 AM
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19. Positive
And I'm sure most of the three million who have lost their jobs would agree. Now 11,000 aviation jobs are HISTORY here in Wichita and we're tetering on the brink wondering if Boeing will sell its Wichita plant.

That could mean the loss of 12,000 jobs in one shot or the new owners will bust the unions. We can then ride in aircraft at 37,000 feet made by people who make a buck or two more per hour than a burger flipper at McDonalds--thats a comforting thought...


Clinton had many faults but I think he tried his best for those of us in the middle class. I don't believe for a minute that Clinton lost the election for us in 2000. First off we WON,second the entire election process in Florida was rigged,Gore easily won Florida.

Shit,what I'd give for eight more years of Clinton....

David
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jonoboy Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 08:30 AM
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20. Clinton in Australia..100,000 cheer his speech..Bush..no-one !
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 08:49 AM
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21. ‘Positive’ BUT
Ever mindful of context I go with ‘Positive’ BUT I am in agreement with #6 by ThirdWheelLegend, especially in that yes he is a corporatist but at least he’s not a bible thumper!

Vote for change. Kucinich 2004!
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:00 AM
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22. Best Republican President ever.
The conservative agenda has dominated american politics since Reagan. Clinton did absolutely nothing but enable that agenda. Nafta, Media Deregulation, Defense of Marriage, Bono Copyright extension, Welfare reform.
Here are some articles. Please take the time to read them.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/arms/
"So, once elected, Bill Clinton did what he does best: He took advantage of the opportunity. Rather than insert human-rights concerns into the arms-sales equation, as did his Democratic predecessor President Carter, Clinton decided to aggressively continue the sales policies of President Bush, himself no slouch when it came to selling U.S. arms.
Early on, Clinton required our diplomats to shill for arms merchants to their host countries. The results were immediate: During Clinton's first year in office, U.S. arms sales more than doubled. From 1993 to 1997, the U.S. government sold, approved, or gave away $190 billion in weapons to virtually every nation on earth.
The arms industry, meanwhile, has greased the wheels. It filled the Democratic Party coffers to the tune of nearly $2 million in the 1998 election cycle."
http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/arms/lobbying.html
In 1993 Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) proposed that arms sales to Indonesia be linked to that country's human-rights record. Lobbyists immediately went to work opposing Feingold's proposal. As one complained to the Legal Times, "Every time a human-rights issue comes up, they jump on it and say, 'Let's cut off arms sales to Bongo Bongo.'"
The lobbyist then became defiant: "We'll fight Feingold; we'll fight each senator if we have to. The defense industry has to fight each one of these battles."
The Indonesian government's "registered foreign agents" -- its lobbyists in the U.S. -- disengaged from the fray and let American arms exporters do the fighting. The arms makers impressed upon legislators that tying arms exports to human rights meant the loss of jobs to foreign competitors. The State and Defense Departments phoned Feingold to let him know of the Clinton administration's opposition to the bill. The Feingold bill went down in flames."
http://www.kellysite.net/modrep.html
"Clinton was a disaster for liberals and Democrats because he was a closet Republican and was a major cause of the wealth and income gap that exists today between the rich and middle- and low-income Americans. Voters now identify his economic policies that benefitted investors and the wealthy at the expense of workers—primarily, but not exclusively, NAFTA, WTO and "globalization"—with today's liberals and Democrats. As they say, "Why vote for a Democrat if their economic policies are just as bad as the Republicans."

The Wall Street Journal agreed. From the November 7, 1996 issue:



"We have a great Republican president now."

A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard
Chairman of the Securities Industry
Association and head of Alex Brown, Inc.

"Here we are dead set in the center with a big long leash around President Clinton."

Hardwick Simmons
Prudential Securities Inc.
Chief Executive Officer

According to the biased-conservative-news-media, Clinton was right where Big Business wanted him: in the middle of the road between the Republican right wing of Congress, and the moderate Democrats in Congress.

In other words, The Wall Street Journal and America's right wing have successfully changed our definitions of balance and moderation. Traditional "Eisenhower Republicanism" (Clinton) is now considered moderation, and is almost nonexistent in the Republican party. Traditional "Truman Liberalism" is now considered extremist and is increasingly rare in the Democratic party.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/inequal/america.htm
The Rich Can Afford to Share the Wealth
By Robert Reich
San Jose Mercury News
December 29, 1999
" Which brings us to Big Thing Number Two: Almost all these gains have been going to people at the top. According to recent data from the congressional budget office, this year the richest 2.7 million Americans, comprising the top 1 percent, will have as many after-tax dollars to spend as the bottom 100 million put together. Meanwhile, the poorest one-fifth of households will have an average income of $8,800 this year, down from $10,000 in 1977 (in current dollars). Not even people in the middle have done particularly well. Since the start of the Clinton administration, the incomes of richest have risen twice as fast as the middle.

This calculation doesn't even include deferred income and other perks, such as stock options, which have gone mostly to people at the top. And, notably, it doesn't include increases in the values of their stock portfolios. Add in these, and the wealth gap turns into the Grand Canyon. At the start of the Clinton administration, the Dow stood at 3300. Now it's hovering around 10,800. Eighty-five percent of this windfall has gone to the top 10 percent of earners -- and forty percent to the top 1 percent."
http://www.flagpole.com/Issues/11.01.00/danperkins.html
"FP: Can you believe how the presidential race is shaping up? You've got Nader, whose probably saved millions of lives, who is being ignored...
DP: Well, he's been ignored until recently, and now suddenly - I read two or three different papers today that all have stories about him as a potential spoiler. So clearly this is the story that someone is putting out, and I find that really aggravating. To me, if George W. Bush wins, and the pundits blame Nader voters, to me that's blaming the victim. The Democratic party has spent the last eight years just alienating and betraying their core constituency. The Clinton-Gore administration has given us NAFTA, GATT, a continuation of the drug war, a terrible erosion of civil liberties. They've given us welfare reform. They've allowed this unprecedented concentration of corporate power with the various mergers and the telecom bill and so forth. I mean none of this is anything that's going to inspire loyalty among the party's core constituency. If you ask people who would traditionally be, and still are somewhat supporting the Democrats, who just want to vote for Gore as the lesser evil, if you ask them: "Clinton and Gore have been in power for eight years, name me eight things they've done that you actually agree with." And when I say that I mean things they've actually done - not just lip service liberalism, not just platitudes they've said about being for the people rather than the powerful - most people get stumped after the Family Leave Act. There hasn't been that much there for people. I think their constituency has grown completely disenchanted with these repellent politics of triangulation that they've been practicing. And if people are sort of turned off, and if they go to Nader because he actually seems like a vote of conscience if nothing else, I don't think you can blame them. I think that's blaming the victim. I think the only people Democrats have to blame here are themselves and their own appalling record."
http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7310
"Following the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, Clinton hunted Osama with a passion -- but a passion circumscribed by the desire to protect the sheikdom sitting atop our oil lifeline. In 1994, a Saudi diplomat defected to the United States with 14,000 pages of documents from the kingdom's sealed file cabinets. This mother lode of intelligence included evidence of plans for the assassination of Saudi opponents living in the West and, tantalizingly, details of the $7 billion the Saudis gave to Saddam Hussein for his nuclear program -- the first attempt to build an Islamic Bomb. The Saudi government, according to the defector, Mohammed Al Khilewi, slipped Saddam the nuclear loot during the Reagan and Bush Sr. years when our own government still thought Saddam too marvelous for words. The thought was that he would only use the bomb to vaporize Iranians.

Clinton granted the Saudi defector asylum, but barred the FBI from looking at the documents. Al Khilewi's New York lawyer, Michael Wildes, told me he was stunned. Wildes handles some of America's most security-sensitive asylum cases. "We said , 'Here, take the documents! Go get some bad guys with them! We'll even pay for the photocopying!'" But the agents who came to his office had been ordered not to accept evidence of Saudi criminal activity, even on U.S. soil.

In 1997, the Canadians caught and extradited to America one of the Khobar Towers attackers. In 1999, Vernon Jordan's law firm stepped in and -- poof! -- the killer was shipped back to Saudi Arabia before he could reveal all he knew about Al Qaeda (valuable) and the Saudis (embarrassing). I reviewed, but was not permitted to take notes on, the alleged terrorist's debriefing by the FBI. To my admittedly inexpert eyes, there was enough on Al Qaeda to make him a source on terrorists worth holding on to. Not that he was set free -- he's in one of the kingdom's dungeons -- but his info is sealed up with him. The terrorist's extradition was "Clinton's." "Clinton's parting kiss to the Saudis," as one insider put it."
http://www.theawfultruth.com/
"linton sure likes to talk about all those "new jobs" - problem is he doesn't mention where the old ones went. You remember them don't you, the decent-paying, unionized, factory jobs? Oh yeah, that's right, he continued the Reagan legacy of taking American jobs and sending them to third world countries where they can exploit the workers even cheaper!"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,813189,00.html
"I went to the White House when Harvey Weinstein was showing Clinton the movie Welcome to Sarejevo, which I was in. I got a few moments alone with Clinton. Saddam throwing out the weapons inspectors was all over the news and I asked what he was going to do. His answer was very revealing. He said: "Everybody is telling me to bomb him. All the military are saying, 'You gotta bomb him.' But if even one innocent person died, I couldn't bear it." And I looked in his eyes and I believed him. Little did I know he was blocking humanitarian aid at the time, allowing the deaths of thousands of innocent people."

And this very insightfull timeline from Frontline.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/unscom/etc/cron.html
"16-19 December - Operation Desert Fox: bombing commences against Iraq. The House vote on impeachment is delayed."
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:04 AM
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23. There are some sore spots but for the most part he was a great Prez
True he did give us red faces with the whole Monica thing and some other things that i did not agree with him doing. But for the most part i think he did the best job he could have done..What i find to be more of an outrage than ANYTHING he did is the way the GOP would put thire hatred of him over the country.
I wish Bill was still in office..And the country does too no matter how many GOP flunkies say diffrent
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:43 AM
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24. Because
during Clinton's administration, the Democratslost:
- 48 seats in the House
- 8 seats in the Senate
- 11 governorships
- 1,254 state legislative seats
- Control of 9 legislatures
In addition 439 elected Democrats had joined the Republican Party while only three Republican officeholders had gone the other way.
While Democrats had been losing state legislative seats on the state level for 25 years, the loss during the Clinton years was striking. In 1992, the Democrats controlled 17 more state legislatures than the Republicans. After November 2000, the Republicans controlled one more than the Democrats. It was the first time since 1954 that the GOP had controlled more state legislatures than the Democrats (they tied in 1968). Among other things, this gave the Republican more control over redistricting.
In fact, no Democratic president since the 19th century suffered such an electoral disintegration of his party as did Clinton.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:56 AM
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25. Best President in my lifetime
I was born a year after JFK was killed.

Clinton is the first presidential candidate that I voted for who actually won. My only complaint is that he supported the death penalty.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:22 AM
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29. Same here-also born in '64
Clinton was the best president in my lifetime.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:01 AM
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26. BEST PRESIDENT IN MY LIFETIME
BAR NONE
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:10 AM
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27. Sold us out to corporate globalists!
I'd love to party with him and don't care about consesual sex, but loss of jobs and collapsing economy are results of "free trade" neo-liberal policies he advanced. We have the same problem with our next president, John Kerry.
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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:17 AM
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28. I'm 42, and he was the best president in my lifetime
No one comes a close second.
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:43 PM
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44. What about LBJ??!!
As a liberal, Clinton could not carry LBJ's briefcase....
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:23 AM
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30. Postive.
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 10:29 AM by MATTMAN
He led this country in the right direction. By far the best president.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:34 AM
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31. He had a chance
to start reversing the Reagan revolution, and he blew it, even though he had a Democratic Congress for his first two years.

He was too conciliatory to the Republicans and appeared to have nothing that he was willing to really fight for, other than items on the corporate agenda such as NAFTA and welfare "reform."

Ironically, the Lewinsky scandal was the only thing that made me support him, because the Republicans got so vicious.
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:39 AM
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32. I still love him,
but I can't understand why he supported the WMD theory?
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libview Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 11:11 AM
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33. the begining of the end for the Democratic Party.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 11:13 AM
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34. Explain please
Why?
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 11:17 AM
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35. Oh Jeez- I've got to take my vote back----
I thought we were voting about GEORGE Clinton. Hell yes I love him.

Make my funk the p-funk: I want to get funked up!!!!!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:14 PM
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36. The "big dog" was too much of a warm puppy. He whined when he should have
snarled. He would have made a great moderate republican senator. Alas, we got stuck with him for eight long years while he took the party to the right by "triangulating" the issues and being charmingly "bipartisan" and "moderate". His whining and obvious dishonesty about his personal life was an embarassment to the party and did a lot to give bush the white house. Note: I don't care what he did with Monica, what I wanted to see was the "big dog" snarl at the press and the repukes and just say something like, "My personal life is my business, now grow up and piss off."

As a president I'd give him a C minus. As a Democrat president I'd give him a D minus.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:04 PM
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38. He is flawed, but I can't help liking him...
Big Dog is something of a natural genius when it comes to connecting with people, showing warmth, sensitivity and intelligence. There's simply no one like him in this regard.

Had he been more disciplined in some personal areas, he would have been great. (I have no particular objection to those appetites of his, but they did unnecessarily expose the flank of the Democratic Party to the teeth of the right wing.)

I miss him, particularly in contrast with the cabal of corporate criminals that is in power now.

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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:26 PM
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39. Can I have another option?
So-So.

He was a Democrat who gave us great prosperity but there are some things on which I hold Clinton to have been horribly wrong. DOMA, and all his Gay-rights stances. His interventionist foreign policy and continuation of the poor policies of his predecessors. His coddling of Yeltsin which lead to a slide for Russia. His compromises on his campaign promises in re health care and gay rights
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:29 PM
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40. Positive, but look what else we've had for the past 30 years
Compared to who else we have recently elected as president, Clinton is pretty good. But I wouldn't put him the first tier of presidents.
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LoneStarLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:34 PM
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42. Full Support
Besides for the tactical error of his big health care push (didn't rally enough support behind it before it came to Congress), the debacle in Somalia, and the "zipper problems," Bill Clinton was my kind of New Democrat.

Sure there were things he did that were not progressive (i.e. DOMA), but his is the kind of gradual change that we have to build from in order to get to an end result of a progressive Presidency.
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:42 PM
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43. Bill was a GREAT FRIEND to the corporations
I say his name goes down as the most conservative Democratic president in modern times.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:30 PM
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45. Everyone here knows that I love the big dog!
:loveya:
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