Question for Pro-life Kucinich supporters

[Cheswick2.0]

I was wondering if you are still supporting Dennis after he pledged to uphold Abortion rights? If you are why? You all know where I stand on Choice, so let us not go there. But I really am curious!

[JohnKleeb]

1. Ches I am pro choice and for Kucinich

but I have talked with a supporter who is pro life and still supports him because he will do the best for humanity out of all them. These arent pro death penalty, hawkish, people of course. So they are consistent. I am sorry if this was rude but I am just telling you what I hear.

[Cheswick2.0]

3. not rude

I am truly curious. I didn't mean for my question to sound like a challenge. It wasn't loaded. Thanks for responding

[JohnKleeb]

9. your welcome

thanks for not giving me a hard time for looking at mags and btw they arent nudes and there are other body parts other than the breast and butt I look at honest. I am pro choice but I wanna reduce abortion through educating the public not intimidation or blowing up clinics and killing doctors.

[Blue_Chill]

2. Not just did he do a 180 on his stance on abortion

he also promises to use Roe v Wade as a litmus test for judges.

My question is why trust this guy either way on abortion?

[Cheswick2.0]

4. Some people I don't trust on instinct

but I don't mind if someone has a change of heart on an important issue. I believe his words on this were sincere and thoughtful

[JohnKleeb]

7. I agree

He wants to reduce it like I do but unlike our republican nuts through education and not threatening to ban it or put doctors in jail. He also is consistent on life he is against unjust wars and the death penalty unlike many pro life pugs so he is consistent I respect the pope for the same reason.

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[Terwilliger]

24. I guess Dean is more important

than god

[JohnKleeb]

6. to be fair and no anger

and I mean no harm but Dean did a flip flop on medical pot.

[Colin Ex]

8. YOu make a good point, dude

If flip-flopping is the issue here... well, why trust Dean on the War on Drugs?

-C

[JohnKleeb]

12. Gotta be fair man

but Dean's done more flip flops than Dennis
no offense blue but Dean isnt exactly consistent. Who knows maybe they both had changes of heart.

[Blue_Chill]

14. eh Dean is doing the standard Presidential shuffle

You have to let go of the drug issues because they are campaign killers. I didn't realise the abortion issue had become so easy to let go of.

However I do see your point, Dean is a flopper at times.

[JohnKleeb]

19. yes thank you its ok

I wish Kucinich had voted pro choice all of long but I can forgive and he was consistent.

[Blue_Chill]

10. To me the two are not at the same level

and no I don't trust Dean on that issue. Then again it would never get thru congress anyway.

[Sava]

11. Is Kucinich Pro-Life?

Personally, if the man believes abortion should be illegal, but says he won't support legislation banning abortion, he's a two-faced politician... I want someone who's going to stand up for what he or she believes in, and someone who isn't going to pander to voters in order to get in office. Politicians lie... If he's pro-life and says he's going to recuse himself from abortion legislation, well, I hope you Kucinich fans are taking him with a grain of salt.

[JohnKleeb]

13. could it be that he is personally against abortion

like many of us are but doesnt believe the government should tell women what to do. He should vote but if you arent a Dean supporter I am sorry about this because this isnt your man but he flip flopped on medical pot.

[plurality]

16. and on the death penalty

although medical weed is important to me, many don't consider it a major issue, but I think we can all agree the death penalty is a major issue and he did a nutball 180 on that one.

[Sava]

18. abortion would not be my first choice either but still...

it's a personal choice... there's a difference between someone who doesn't believe in abortion, and someone who wants to see it criminalized. Which is Dennis?

btw, what about medical pot, now?

[JohnKleeb]

21. the former he is the former

he doesnt believe in it but he doesnt wanna push women around. Also Dennis got a round of applause at NARAL if they could forgive him being the biggest pro choice group I think it would be easier to.

[Sava]

23. I suppose, but I'm still skepticle

I still don't like this guy...

[JohnKleeb]

25. isnt a little harsh to be one issue take no offense

no offense but other than that hes a dandy. BTW I am very pro choice just clearing any thing up. What kind of person are you? Whats your background? What are your important issues? Are you an opponent of the death penalty? Kucinich or Kerry would be good for you, Are you a blue collar worker? Kucinich or Gephardt? my point is take a couple of tests and or tell me a little about yourself. He's not perfect I admit but he does have something special about him

[Sava]

29. sure...

23 year old college student... middle class... not blue collar, not white collar...

issues:
abortion: pro-choice... but I believe in utilizing education to increase young people's responsibility. Ideally, I'd like to see no abortions, but it should remain legal.

death penalty: I'm for a more stringent process in using the DP. I don't oppose it's use in theory, but I think the American justice system is flawed and unfair. I would propose a moratorium and a study of the justice system to make it more fair and equal.

fiscal policy: fairly conservative... I'm more of a Clinton economics supporter. I don't agree with tax cuts unless there are massive surpluses. I think that government should finance public works projects during times of high unemployment in order to spur the economy. People spend money when they have it. They have money when they are working, and if we can improve our nation's infrastructure at the same time, then let's do it! I support massive investigation of corporate crime. I also support progressive taxation and perhaps a study into a more effective tax policy. I think government wastes too much money and should also be reformed. Also, I would place high tariffs on tax haven corporations. Dodging taxes is unpatriotic and there should be consequences.

foreign policy: more discussion... and less unilateral action... although, if presented with a threat, I would use military force as I saw fit. I opposed the Iraq war, but supported Afghanistan... although I think Afghan conflict is going bad. I would only support military action if the goals and plans were clear. I want an exit strategy as well as world-wide support for any military action. I am a strong believer in deterence, and would support the constant modernization and maintenance of our armed forces. I think the US should do more to help countries solve their problems, but that doesn't mean throwing money at them. I also support the movement towards a global economy and a unified world government. The problem with the UN is that it is modeled similarily to the Articles of Confederation. Nobody has any real power, and it can't legitimately deal with problems. I also suspect the UN is a massive waste of money. It needs to be reformed.

other misc. issues:

all drugs should be legal and subject to taxes to fund addiction and rehab programs...

Media ownership rules should be regulated and more strict. I would be in favor of revoking the 1996 act that Clinton signed. Diversity in media is the key. I would also encourage less media mergers and smaller companies. I also believe network channels (anything you can pickup without cable or other services) should be in public control. I'm also in favor of more responsible programming on these stations. Cable... anything goes.

campaign finance reform: this is a biggy! I think that corporations should be completely banned from giving money to campaigns and that there should also be a cap on the amount a candidate can accept. All in all, I'd support any measures that decrease corporate money in Washington.

[JohnKleeb]

31. then I think Dean would be best for you based on your economics

but I am not sure honestly I think Kucinich or Dean would be good for you. I think you are liberal mostly.

[LWolf]

15. Is it possible that there could be a 3rd position?

Not every issue is black and white. It is possible to believe that birth control and responsible choice...in other words, prevention, is a better solution to unwanted pregnancies than abortion. At the same time, it is possible to respect individual privacy, and the right to make your own choices about your body. Such a person would support legal abortions while working to encourage and increase prevention.

The bottom line is not whether he thinks abortion is a grand thing. It's whether he will support our right to reproductive choice and privacy.

[kayell]

26. I think that that is exactly the stand that Kucinich is taking

In part of his issue statement on Reproductive Rights at

Kucinich has this to say - "I want to work to make abortions less necessary, which means sex education and birth control. I want to work to make sure that, when life is brought forward, we have prenatal care and postnatal care and childcare and universal health care and a living wage."

In the next paragraph, he promises to only support justices for the Supreme Court if they agree to uphold Roe v. Wade.

There is more to his statement on his change of heart on the abortion issue in this statement, read it at http://www.kucinich.us/issues/issue_rightsreproductive.htm

One of the reasons that I trust Kucinich on his change of position on abortion is that he is not afraid to take unpopular stands. He is quite clear on his positions on the war on drugs, gay rights, and other issues that most candidates are waffling on. Standing up to the banks in Cleveland took a lot of guts, and was not the politically expedient thing to do. My opinion is that amazingly, he is a politician who actually does mean what he says!

[curse10]

17. He was until recently

had a 95% approval rating from the National Right to Life people :scared:

[JohnKleeb]

20. I like Kerry if he wasnt for the war

I might support him. But I think there is a third path on abortion and I am not it I am very pro choice but I think i see it in my mom's family mostly her parents people who dont like the idea of abortion and want it kept to a minimal but dont believe in crazy measures to force women around and while they dont like the idea they think sometimes abortion is needed.

[mmm]

22. Kucinich is the only choice

vote Kucinich

[DemBones DemBones]

27. Absolutely! I was initially disappointed but his new position is, as

far as I can tell, basically the same as mine. I've never supported overturning Roe v. Wade or otherwise re-criminalizing abortion, for the simple reason that it wouldn't stop abortions.

My hope is that abortion will eventually become "safe, legal, and rare," as Bill Clinton suggested it should be. I look to other women to figure out that legalized abortion is a poor way to serve our needs for contraception and that we deserve better than just having the right to abort. If a woman chooses to abort because she can't afford a baby, that's hardly a FREE choice, and it is a sad comment on our society.

Dennis Kucinich has decided that abortion must be legal in order to preserve privacy rights and women's right to equality. No problem for me.

Dennis Kucinich wants to help women prevent unplanned pregnancies AND help women be able financially to keep and raise an unplanned child (if they choose to continue the pregnancy.) Cheers from me.

[JohnKleeb]

28. I agree

I dont think the same but I am glad you thought this dembones I thought you wanted to overturn RoeVWade.

[DemBones DemBones]

32. No, I've never been in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade or other-

wise banning abortion. Only in favor of everyone doing whatever they can to avoid need for abortion.

[mvd]

30. He might be doing it to be beneficial politically, but..

I think Kucinich will do what he says on choice. Another change and he'd really look goofy - he'd probably lose a good number of his biggest supporters.