Has anyone considered

[Norquist Nemesis]

there's one thing GW has that his father did not...PNAC. It was formed in spring 1997 (according to their website). Is it possible that they are so imbedded and not just behind the scenes (so to speak), but actually ARE the ones in power?

[Insider]

1. consider it daily

IMHO, his father assumed he would have term II to finish. he sobered up his son, and planned for the future. they got crackin' early this time around. son also has serious seeds planted in florida (and diebold) that his father didn't.

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. But did Bush find PNAC or

did PNAC find Bush? I'm seriously thinking it's the latter.

[BigDaddyLove]

2. They've been around since the days of Reagan......

(the main players that is), but no-one has been crazy enough to actually listen to them let alone allow them to formulate our foreign policy until now.

[Norquist Nemesis]

4. Under Reagan they weren't a group though

While under Reagan they gained opportunities for key contacts and seeds of power and influence. They only announced themselves as a formal group of ideologically bound people in 1997.

[BigDaddyLove]

5. Agreed.............

though I bet they now wish they would have kept their mouths shut, not come together as a visible group but rather stayed out of sight.