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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 02:03 AM
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Baghdad Year Zero--a must read
Edited on Fri Sep-24-04 02:44 AM by whirlygigspin
Pillaging Iraq in pursuit of a neocon utopia

Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004. Originally from Harper's Magazine, September 2004. By Naomi Klein.


http://www.harpers.org/


You must read this

"It¡¦s quite an accomplishment: in trying to design the best place in the world to do business, the neocons have managed to create the worst, the most eloquent indictment yet of the guiding logic behind deregulated free markets."
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 02:13 AM
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1. THANK YOU
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

After seeing the author on The Al Franken Show on Sundance tonight, I went out in search of the magazine and couldn't find it anywhere.

:toast:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 02:23 AM
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2. Holy shit!!
Just when I think I've figured out the bastards, a more malevolent side pops out.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 02:28 AM
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3. Naomi Klein was exquisitely articulate in her interview with Al Franken
and Katherine Lanpher on Friday. Thanks for putting this link up.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 02:29 AM
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4. Excellent!

Thanks.

This fills in a lot of missing holes.

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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 03:02 AM
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5. thank you Naomi Klein
This article was so helpful in clarifying what has happened in Iraq, that I would hope everyone in America could read it.

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4morewars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 03:44 AM
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6. Thanks for posting !!!
Excellent ! I bookmarked this to pass on to as many as I can. It really explains what motivates these pirates. Real well written too. I think i will e-mail Naomi and let her know !
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 04:16 AM
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7. Kick this
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 05:31 AM
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8. Well we knew this was going on but he put it in a good read.
I keep telling my kids that they should be watching corp. buying up water works, city parks, and graveyards. They think I am crazy.It has already started in this country. One good reason for the new laws on how you can sue also.Laissez faire is not what will work and we have had to fight it before.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 10:03 PM
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24. Graveyards?
why on earth? Please, say more. I'm familiar with water supplies and treatment facilities, and parks certainly makes sense, but CEMETARIES?
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:47 PM
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42. re:cemetaries
I'd guess that with corporate ownerswhip/privatizarion of water, a die-off might follow.

Typical corporate business plan, profit from restricting access to water, those you kill off can still be profited from in terms of burying them.

But then, I'm pretty far beyond cynical.
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4morewars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 01:04 PM
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9. Kickin' it
It's a must read.
:kick:
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 02:15 PM
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10. definitely a must read
love Naomi Klein's insights.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 04:33 PM
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11. Great article!
A must read!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 08:41 PM
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12. I knew Iraq is being raped, I didn't realize how brutally. Read this.
And to think how little the American public know, or supposedly don't know of what is really going on in Iraq is amazing. The poor citizens of Iraq. It's like a bad joke.

"I've got some good news and some bad news.

"Guess what, you're being liberated from the bloodthirsty despot and dictator.

That's great, what's so bad about that?

You're being liberated by The Borg.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 08:43 PM
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13. Here's another good thread on Iraq...
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 11:04 PM
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14. again, if you haven't read this article yet...
do yourself a favor and read it.

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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 07:18 AM
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15. Quite simply the best article I have read on Iraq
Thanks for posting it.
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Scaperjess Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 08:43 AM
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16. ...
All I can say is WOW.... most impressed, highly recomended...
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Thurston Howell IV Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:07 AM
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17. a Must Read article
I just came across it this morning and was looking to see if it had already been posted. Great to see this stuff is getting out. Namoi Klein has delivered Pulitzer Prize level investigative reporting on Iraq with this article. Even more important, I believe sheds light on Bush's twisted agenda for America as well.

Naomi Klein has a very worthwhile website: http://www.nologo.org/
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 01:34 PM
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18. I'm still floored by it
Edited on Sat Sep-25-04 01:35 PM by whirlygigspin
"Naomi Klein has delivered Pulitzer Prize level investigative reporting on Iraq with this article."

-worthy of a Pulitzer,indeed. anyone know how to nominate it?

...and the digging starts...

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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 01:40 PM
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19. This is MOST educational...I wondered why they were fighting so fiercly
and now I understand.

I remember before the war they showed a clip from Iraq and a policeman directing traffic at an intersection and thought 'that is make work' cause I am sure Iraq has traffic lights. I then thought why should a 'brutal dictator' make work for people, after all he is brutal and a dictator, why should he care if the people of Iraq had jobs. Then I heard that there were food distribution centers, because the country was so devistated. Sort of like America's 'food banks'?

I guess there are some things worse than having Sadaam as your president, and that would be starving to death??

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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 04:35 PM
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20. Wow ! A must read
“There are two choices,” he said, looking me in the eye and smiling kindly. “Either we will set the factory on fire and let the flames devour it to the ground, or we will blow ourselves up inside of it. But it will not be privatized.”

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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 05:15 PM
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21. and I used to think it was all about the Oil
I'm so naive sometimes
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 06:59 PM
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22. Kick
:kick:
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 09:03 PM
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23. Damn, that was a great article!
I wish she weren't married.
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RussBLib Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 10:06 PM
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25. Exactly who are the "terrorists?"
This passage makes you think that some attacks are just too convenient. Thugs, indeed.

Bremer had a formidable opponent: Grand Ayatollah Ali al Sistani, the most senior Shia cleric in Iraq. al Sistani tried to block Bremer's plan at every turn, calling for immediate direct elections and for the constitution to be written after those elections, not before. Both demands, if met, would have closed Bremer's privatization window. Then, on March 2, with the Shia members of the Governing Council refusing to sign the interim constitution, five bombs exploded in front of mosques in Karbala and Baghdad, killing close to 200 worshipers. General John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, warned that the country was on the verge of civil war. Frightened by this prospect, al Sistani backed down and the Shia politicians signed the interim constitution. It was a familiar story: the shock of a violent attack paved the way for more shock therapy.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092604E.shtml
http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html

Fantastic job, Naomi.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:14 PM
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26. I sent highlights and a link out to many people I know...
whether I thought they wanted to hear it or not.

I know too many people giving Bush* the benefit of the doubt (? or something).

I think anyone who reads this would HAVE to start questioning what has been going on over there.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 11:46 PM
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27. Wholey Moley
:wow: I'm still digesting all that :wow:
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 12:34 AM
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28. Thanks, it explains a lot. n/t
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:04 AM
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29. I don't think even we knew all of this. n/t
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:03 AM
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30. wow, this story finally hit the front page of DU
after 3 days...by that count the "mainstream media" might just report this in about two or three months...what? Drudge isn't talking about it? ya don't say...next you'll tell me Chompsky's never been on Nightline.

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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 12:04 PM
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31. forgot to say 'great', 'bookmarked', and 'thanks'.
i'm already passing it on to regular folk and the media (many may not have seen it).
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 01:05 PM
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32. I posted this article...
on a mixed forum and I had a rightie actually say, "Is it just about the money with you? What about fighting for...blah, blah...".
I am serious! What a dumbass.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 06:42 PM
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33. I spelled Chomsky wrong
me bad.

Oppologies to the great man, sorry sir.

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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 06:52 PM
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34. nominate this article for a Pulitzer
www.pulitzer.org
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 12:40 AM
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38. Great idea thanx
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 08:27 PM
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36. more comments here....
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 12:03 AM
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37. Democracy Now! interviews Naomi Klein
We speak with journalist and author Naomi Klein about privatization and reconstruction in Iraq which is the subject of her new article in Harper's Magazine called "Baghdad Year Zero: Pillaging Iraq in Pursuit of a Neocon Utopia."

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/20/144210
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:20 AM
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39. thanks
I've become an instant fan...

From the interview:

"So, what Iraqis see is the reconstruction of their country not as a kind of new deal project, which is a process of healing from war, occupation and sanctions, which is rebuilding their decimated industries, which is creating jobs. They see the opposite. What they see is another kind of foreign invasion. They see jobs going to foreigners. They see products pouring across their borders from foreign countries and they see their own industry in the dark, and because of that, the reconstruction has become a target and contractors have become targets.

<snip>

Yeah. I mean, it's more than the fact that they're not just -- they're not spending the reconstruction money that was allocated by U.S. taxpayers. It's that the money that they are spending on U.S. companies is actually Iraqi money. They're spending far more of Iraq's own oil money than they are of the 18.6 billion that was allocated..."
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 12:26 PM
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40. Precursor of what will happen here in the US
should bush be re-elected.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 01:49 PM
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41. Naomi's been reporting on this for a while, but this ties it all together
I just finished reading the whole article, and it certainly spells a lot of stuff out in some pretty excruciating detail.

One of my favorite (and I believe most telling) quips:

Iraq was to the neocons what Afghanistan was to the Taliban: the one place on Earth where they could force everyone to live by the most literal, unyielding interpretation of their sacred texts.

I guess this just helps prove that neoconservatism is the military arm, and neoliberalism is the financial arm of neocolonialism. I think that Iraqis have largely caught on to the grand ruse, even if they can't describe it quite in the way that Ms. Klein does.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:39 PM
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43. original posting from sept.18
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:43 PM
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44. So this information...will Americans hear about it?
This is a devastating article to Bush and his fucked up leadership. Why isn't our dem leadership talking about this?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 08:06 AM
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45. Bump
:bounce:
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 11:32 AM
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46. Everybody read this
We're next. Shrub will do this to us if he can get away with it.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:13 PM
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47. word up
Al Franken just craked up and almost started crying on his show (live from Madison WI) talking about the "re-construction" in Iraq and how it's such a sham...very moving...
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myopic4141 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:50 PM
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48. Sigh
... so much to report ...
sigh
... so little space and time to do so ...
sigh
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 09:00 AM
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49. Kick!
:kick:
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 10:43 AM
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50. "The Green Zone was filled with Young Republicans.....

quote-
Many of the other CPA postings were equally ideological. The Green Zone, the city within a city that houses the occupation headquarters in Saddam’s former palace, was filled with Young Republicans straight out of the Heritage Foundation, all of them given responsibility they could never have dreamed of receiving at home. Jay Hallen, a twenty-four-year-old who had applied for a job at the White House, was put in charge of launching Baghdad’s new stock exchange. Scott Erwin, a twenty-one-year-old former intern to Dick Cheney, reported in an email home that “I am assisting Iraqis in the management of finances and budgeting for the domestic security forces.” The college senior’s favorite job before this one? “My time as an ice-cream truck driver.” In those early days, the Green Zone felt a bit like the Peace Corps, for people who think the Peace Corps is a communist plot. It was a chance to sleep on cots, wear army boots, and cry “incoming”—all while being guarded around the clock by real soldiers.

The teams of KPMG accountants, investment bankers, think-tank lifers, and Young Republicans that populate the Green Zone have much in common with the IMF missions that rearrange the economies of developing countries from the presidential suites of Sheraton hotels the world over. Except for one rather significant difference: in Iraq they were not negotiating with the government to accept their “structural adjustments” in exchange for a loan; they were the government.

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wiswrong Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:55 PM
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51. Goal is neocon resume development
One of the clear goals of putting these neocon youngsters major roles in Iraq is to ensure that they have amazing resumes when they get back. These ultra-conservatives will then have the resumes to take major positions in government and private enterprise -- positions they never would have received with backgrounds as ice-cream scoops.

The neocons are thinking far ahead....

- w is wrong
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:11 PM
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52. Amazing.
thanks for posting this
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thanks jon Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:05 PM
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53. great article
really puts together WTF is going on over there. Why aren't the wagging heads wagging over this. I mean we are really gettin to the gist of the matter here. I still have to go finish, my eyes and brain can hardly handle it.
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