Swift-Boat-Vets-for-the-Truth: The File (27 Aug.)

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Swift-Boat-Veterans-for-Truth-Gate: The File




Table of Contents:

I. Introduction and History of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (hereafter SBVT)

II. Recent Accounts of Other Swift Boat Vets and Others
a. Vets Who Were Actually with Kerry Contradicting the SBVT
b. People with Special Information Contradicting SBVT
c. New Vets Contradicting Kerry

III. New Charges Against Kerry About his Service

IV. Changes or Qualifications in Stories of individual SBVT

V. Points of Collusion Between Republicans and the SBVT



Each section posted in subsequent (reply) posts for ease of use. 1st post includes table
of contents and I. Introd. and History.





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I. Introduction and History of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth:

Overall story:

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9455159.htm


History of SBVT:

Website registered April 14, 2004. The following is a good historical
overview of their history with hot links. Great site!:

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth#History



The entire overview of SBVT from same site:

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth



On Hannity and Colmes, 23 Aug. Paul Galanti, a former Viet Nam POW
and author of upcoming anti-Kerry book, said that he was at a meeting "last
month" where he "heard" about Kerry from "Kerry's fellow officers."
Were they flying vets in (Swift boat vets, first, then POWs) and letting
O'Neill pump them full of his twisted obsessions, including the story of
"Kerry's master plan" (i.e., to launch himself into politics and the public
eye thru service in Vietnam and then public renunciations of that service)?
If we inquire into their methodologies of recruitment and forms of
internal propaganda and pressure, we might find out quite a bit that would
be damaging. (Just to show the coordination of a few men roping in and
trying to brainwash others would be damaging because it would focus
on the basic contrivance and manipulation practiced by their organization.

DU's own Junkdrawer has noted how the initial post of a FreeRepublic
thread might be terribly useful as background (dates, boats, names of crews,
actions, metals &c.):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1080011/posts?page=1,50



Kerry's official take on the SBVT:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4439188,00.html



Best job of debunking the SBVT, wingnut-by-wingunt:

http://swiftvets.eriposte.com/

and

http://swiftvets.eriposte.com/othersbvlies.htm#OTHERSBV

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1. II. Recent Accounts of Other Swift Boat Vets and Others

II. Recent Accounts of Other Swift Boat Vets and Others


A. Vets who were actually THERE (what a concept!) and support Kerry . . .

A number of Kerry's crewmates--David Alston, Mike Medeiros, Del Sandusky
and Gene Thorson–have long been on record about Kerry's metals and heroism
and will be feature in the up-coming film about Kerry's service titled "Brothers in
Arms":

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/08/23/politics2057EDT0728.DTL

but within the past week a number of new supporters, men who were actually
with Kerry at the time of the incidents, have come forward:



1.) William Rood:

<Snip>


The first time we took fire--the usual rockets and automatic weapons--
Kerry ordered a "turn 90" and the three boats roared in on the ambush. It
worked. We routed the ambush, killing three of the attackers. The troops,
led by an Army adviser, jumped off the boats and began a sweep, which
killed another half dozen VC, wounded or captured others and found
weapons, blast masks and other supplies used to stage ambushes.

. . .

It happened again, another ambush. And again, Kerry ordered the turn
maneuver, and again it worked. As we headed for the riverbank, I remember
seeing a loaded B-40 launcher pointed at the boats. It wasn't fired as two
men jumped up from their spider holes.

We called Droz's boat up to assist us, and Kerry, followed
by one member of his crew, jumped ashore and chased a VC
behind a hooch--a thatched hut--maybe 15 yards inland from the
ambush site. Some who were there that day recall the man being
wounded as he ran. . . .

. . .

Not long after that, Kerry returned, reporting that he had killed
the man he chased behind the hooch. He also had picked up a loaded
B-40 rocket launcher, which we took back to our base in An Thoi
after the operation.

John O'Neill, author of a highly critical account of Kerry's Vietnam service,
describes the man Kerry chased as a "teenager" in a "loincloth."
I have no idea how old the gunner Kerry chased that day was, but both
Leeds and I recall that he was a grown man, dressed in the kind of garb
the VC usually wore.

<snip>


http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082204Y.shtml


and

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/22/politics/campaign/22swift.html





2.) Robert Lambert:

<snip>

Three Navy men won Bronze Stars for their actions that day: Kerry,
Thurlow, and radarman first class Robert Eugene Lambert, a petty
officer in the boat captained by Thurlow. The citation for Lambert's
Bronze Star--previously undisclosed but obtained today under the
Freedom of Information Act from the National Personnel Records
Center in St. Louis--repeats the description of the incident included
in the citation for Thurlow's Bronze Star: "all units came under small
arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks." Lambert's
citation also notes that Lambert--who assumed command of PCF-51
after Thurlow went to assist another Swift boat damaged by a mine--
"directed accurate suppressing fire at the enemy." The citation praises
Lambert's "coolness, professionalism and courage under fire."
<snip>


http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1692


And Lambert finally spoke out on Wed. 25 Aug, explicitly mentioning
the incoming fire:

http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0826/local/stories/01local.htm

and:


<snip>

"I thought we were under fire, I believed we were under fire," Lambert
said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.


"Thurlow was far too distracted with rescue efforts to even realize he was
under fire. He was concentrating on trying to save lives."

<snip>

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&nci...






3.) Pat Runyon

<snip>

. . . An Ohio factory worker who was with John Kerry on a dangerous night
mission 36 years ago in Vietnam said he has no doubt Kerry was grazed
in a firefight and deserves his first Purple Heart for a combat injury.

. . .

Runyon said Kerry was wounded after one vessel (sanpan) tried to avoid
an inspection.

"Lt. Kerry said, 'I'm going to pop a flare, and when I do, I want that engine
started,' " Runyon said. But the outboard would not crank. Meanwhile,
the sampan's crew steered it to the riverbank, and people started running
on the shore. Runyon said shooting broke out.

Somehow, Kerry's weapon stopped firing. Runyon thinks he ran out of
ammunition. He said Kerry bent down to pick up another gun and got hit
in the arm.

"It wasn't a serious wound," Runyon said, and Kerry was able to start
shooting again. When the firefight was over, Runyon said Kerry told him
all he felt was a "burning sensation."

<snip>


http://www.cleveland.com/search/index.ssf?/base/isele/109265584379530.xml?isele





4.) Jim Russell:

<snip>

Three things that are forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years
ago are: (1) The No. 3, 50-foot long, Swift boat getting huge, huge air; John
Kerry thought it was about two feet. (He was farther away from it than I). I
think it was at least four feet and probably closer to six feet; (2) All the boats
turning left and letting loose at the same time like a deadly, choreographed
dance and; (3) A few minutes later, John Kerry bending over his boat picking
up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time
we were taking small arms fire from the beach; although because of our fusillade
into the jungle, I don't think it was very accurate, thank God. Anyone who
doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river.

<snip>

http://www.telluridegateway.com/articles/2004/08/20/news/opinion/opinion01.txt




5.) Wayne D. Langhofer:

<snip>

Wayne D. Langhofer, now an employee at a Kansas gunpowder plant, told
the Washington Post in yesterday's editions, "There was a lot of firing going
on, and it came from both sides of the river."

Reflecting on the battle in the Bay Hap River, which resulted both in Kerry
being awarded the Bronze Star and receiving a third Purple Heart, which
allowed him to end his combat tour after just four months, Langhofer
said he distinctly remembered the "clack, clack, clack" of enemy AK-47s,
as well as muzzle flashes from the surrounding riverbanks. Langhofer manned
a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry's.

<snip>

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/23/swift_boat_veteran_backs_kerry_on_details_of_1969_ambush/




6.-8.) Jim McCann, Rich Baker, and Del Sandusky (with Jim Rusell, #4, above):

<snip>

In a conference call with reporters arranged by the campaign, three
Navy Swift boat officers who served with Kerry 35 years ago but
who said they have not been in touch with him for years defended
his service and his bravery. Rich McCann, Jim Russell and Rich
Baker said Kerry served honorably and took issue with questions
raised by the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth about his
commendations.

"He was the most aggressive officer in charge of Swift boats,"
Baker said. "With no disrespect to anyone out there, the whole
Swift boat operation took courage and guts every time you
stepped on those boats. But John Kerry was one step above the
rest of us."

. . .

In Pennsylvania, crewmate Del Sandusky said at a news conference
that he witnessed the combat missions for which Kerry received Silver
and Bronze stars and two of his three Purple Hearts. "He deserved every
one of his medals," Sandusky said.

<snip>


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26519-2004Aug23.html


and more from Del Sandusky:

<snip>

Del Sandusky . . . says his boat was jarred by an explosion, probably from a
rocket, knocking the soldier, Jim Rassmann, off the boat. Kerry was thrown
against the bulkhead, injuring his arm. Sandusky says he could see muzzle flashes
from the jungle and bullets skimming across the water. Sandusky says he can't
remember if anyone was still shooting when Kerry pulled Rassmann from the river,
but in any case, the boat was banged up and taking on water. An official report
made available to NEWSWEEK shows windows blown out and the engine and
steering damaged; it's unclear from the report when the damage happened.

<snip>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5783805/site/newsweek/








B. Accounts by others with special knowledge that support Kerry's version:

1.) The widow of Lt. Donald Droz:

<snip>

. . . Droz, a key witness in the ongoing debate over Kerry's service
record, is missing from it, killed in a rocket attack in Vietnam in April
1969 days after Kerry returned home. While Droz cannot defend Kerry,
his widow, Judith Droz Keyes, said she feels she must.

. . .

"John Kerry was a good friend, and a loyal friend to my late husband,"
she said in a telephone interview from her office in San Francisco. "My
husband isn't here to speak, and all I can do is to speak in his name. I
don't feel I can't remain silent anymore."

Keyes said that by challenging Kerry's record, the Swift Boat Veterans
for Truth, a group of former veterans opposed to Kerry's presidential
candidacy, are dishonoring the memory of men such as her husband who
fought by Kerry's side. "The suggestion that what Don did or that the
award he got was somehow undeserved is crossing a line," she said.

<snip>

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/articles/2004/08/27/kerrys_medals_were_deserved_says_widow_of_slain_comrade/











C Vets who were actually there and support the SBVT stories:

1.) Retired Rear Adm. William L. Schachte Jr.:

<snip>

. . . Schachte . . . said Thursday in his first on-the-record interview about the
swift boat veterans dispute that "I was absolutely in the skimmer" in the early
morning on Dec. 2, 1968, when Lt. (j.g.) John Kerry was involved in an
incident that led to his first Purple Heart.

"Kerry nicked himself with a M-79 ," Schachte said in a
telephone interview from his home in Charleston, S.C. He said, "Kerry requested
a Purple Heart."

.. .

Two enlisted men who appeared at the podium with Kerry at the Democratic
National Convention in Boston have asserted that they were alone in the small
boat with Kerry, with no other officer present. Schachte said it "was not possible"
for Kerry to have gone out alone so soon after joining the swift boat command in
late November 1968.



<snip>

http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-nws-novak27.html

(but as some Duers have noted, Schachte, even though he claims,
in this Novak column–below–to be independent. is a Republican
donor):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x678747

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13. New end to Section II, added to Admiral Schachte section:

DU's GOPAgainstGW investigated, finding:

<snip>

Admiral Schachte is employed by the law firm of Blank and Rome.

A member of the Board of Directors of Blank and Rome is Mr. David A
Norcross, who, coincidentally is the Chairman of the 2004 Republican
National Convention's Committee on Arrangements.

<snip>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x682942

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26. And yet MORE problems with Schachte's credibility:

It's amazing what you'll find beneath every rock (new charges about
Schachte's credibility):

<snip>

Kerry has said Schachte was not on the boat that night, adding another
mystery to the disputed events of 36 years ago.But other events are not
in dispute. According to a March 18 legal filing by Schachte's firm, Blank
Rome, Schachte was one of the lobbyists working for FastShip on issues
such as the effort to win funding for a new marine cargo terminal. On Feb.
2, Philadelphia-based FastShip announced that it would receive $40 million
in federal funding for the project.

In addition, David Norcross, Schachte's colleague in the Washington office
of Blank Rome, is chairman of this week's Republican convention in New
York. Records also show that Schachte gave $1,000 to Bush's 2000 and
2004 campaigns.

The Kerry campaign alleges foul play. "It's amazing what a $40 million
government contract can do for your memory," Kerry spokesman Chad
Clanton said, noting that Schachte did not challenge Kerry's Purple Heart
while describing the incident in an interview last year. Schachte is listed as
"of counsel" on Blank Rome's Web site, but a receptionist at the firm said
he is retired, and messages left for him and a firm spokesman were not
returned.

<snip>


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A47542-2004Aug30?language=printer

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2. III. New Charges Against Kerry About his Service

III. New Charges Against Kerry About his Service
. . . . (or, The Muckraker Never Sleeps)

Arguing about Kerry's metals as listed on official site:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips27.html

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3. IV. Changes or Qualifications in Stories of individual SBVT

IV. Changes or Qualifications in Stories of individual SBVT

SBVT members who have recanted or qualified their original story, or whose
specific stories have been directly challenged, or who have been discredited:

a.). George Elliott:

<snip>

. . . George Elliott, a leading member of the group who was the
commander who signed the recommendation for Kerry's Bronze Star,
campaigned with Kerry in 1996, defending him after questions were
raised about Kerry's Silver Star. (Kerry received this medal for chasing
down and killing an enemy soldier on February 28, 1969.) And in 1969,
Elliot wrote Kerry's fitness report and noted, "In a combat environment
often requiring independent decisive action, Lt. j.g. Kerry was unsurpassed."
Now he says Kerry lied about his service in
Vietnam.

<snip>

http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1692



b.) Alfred French in the SBVT ad implies he was present at the incident, but . . .

<snip>

French said he is relying on the accounts of three other veterans who
were friends of his at the time. A fourth veteran with whom French was
acquainted corroborated their accounts.

"I was not a witness to these events but my friends were," said French,
who was awarded two Bronze Stars during the war. "I believe these
people. These are people I served with."

One of the men is Larry Thurlow. . . .

<snip>


http://www.oregonlive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/front_page/109300303292321.xml

And now (Aug. 27th) French reported to have lied about extra-marital affair:

<snip>

Reports say French misled his former boss ten years ago to avoid getting fired.

<snip>

http://www2.kval.com/x30530.xml?ParentPageID=x2649&ContentID=x46673&Layout=kval.xsl&AdGroupID=x30530



c. Larry Thurlow's citation, containing references to incoming fire which Thurlow's
affidavit denies:

<snip>

But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released yesterday to
The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act, contain several
references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at
"all units" of the five-boat flotilla. Thurlow won his own Bronze Star
that day, and the citation praises him for providing assistance to a
damaged Swift boat "despite enemy bullets flying about him."

. . .

"I am here to state that we weren't under fire," he said. He speculated that Kerry
could have been the source of at least some of the language used in the citation.

<snip>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html

Brentspeak reminds me that, although Thurlow accused "Kerry as
having been the one to have the citations worded his own way, . . .
the award recommendation for Thurlow's Bronze Star lists
as the primary eyewitness, Robert Lambert, Thurlow's own swiftmate
(debunking Thurlow's lame claim)."

And now the possibility of Thurlow being an accurate witness is
called into question:

<snip>

A swift boat crewman decorated in the 1969 Vietnam incident where John
Kerry won a Bronze Star says not only did they come under enemy fire but
also that his own boat commander, who has challenged the official account,
was too distracted tonotice the gunfire.

. . .

"Thurlow was far too distracted with rescue efforts to even realize he was under
fire. He was concentrating on trying to save lives."

<snip>


http://wire.jacksonville.com/pstories/politics/20040827/2400926.shtml




d. John O'Neill himself, having claimed recently never to have been in Cambodia,
but in 1971 claimed otherwise. In an 24 Aug. 04 report on Aaron Brown by
Joe Johns:

<snip>

JOHNS: . . . John O'Neill said Kerry made up a story about being in Cambodia
beyond the legal borders of the Vietnam War in 1968. O'Neill said no one could
cross the border by river and he claimed in an audio tape that his publicist played
to CNN that he, himself, had never been to Cambodia either. But in 1971, O'Neill
said precisely the opposite to then President Richard Nixon.

(starts tape)
O'NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border on the water.
NIXON: In a swift boat?
O'NEILL: Yes, sir.
(end tape)

JOHNS: Now, O'Neill may have an explanation for this but he has not returned
CNN's calls. What does seem clear is that a top member of the swift boat group
is now being held to the same standard of literal accuracy they've tried to impose
on John Kerry –
. . .

BROWN: And just quickly on the O'Neill thing, just for my edification here,
Mr. O'Neill's publicist played for you a tape where Mr. O'Neill says what again?

JOHNS: Well, he says in the tape essentially that he did not go to Cambodia,
plain and simple. He says that a couple times in fact in this little short interview
that was played for me on the phone. Now, of course, as you listen to that
conversation with Richard Nixon, he says something completely different or,
at least, that's what it sounds like --

<snip>

By the 25th of Aug. on the Hannity and Colmes show, O'Neill had figured how
to seem to answer this:

<snip>

COLMES: You claimed at one point you weren't , and then you claimed
you were. This is very confusing to people.

O'NEILL: Well, it shouldn't be confused. I was never in Cambodia, and Kerry
lied when he said he was in Cambodia.

COLMES: You said to Richard Nixon you were in Cambodia.

. . .

HANNITY: On the border.

COLMES: There's a tape of you saying that to Richard Nixon.

O'NEILL: What's the next sentence? I was along the Cambodian border.
That's exactly right. What I told Nixon and was trying to tell him in this
meeting was I was along the Cambodian border.

<snip>

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250004


But the problem with that is he'd earlier claimed that not only no one
went into Cambodia, that no one came within 30 miles of the border:

<snip>

O'Neill: . . .everyone familiar with the entire operation series knows
that the PCF, the Swift Boat areas, stopped just north of Sa-Dec, some
50 miles from the border. The areas further north were PBRs--smaller
boats--and that the border was heavily guarded to ensure that nobody
could go across it.

(Interviewer): There were navy gunboats anchored in the Mekong River
Channel, through which a Swift Boat would have to pass.

O' NEILL: Yes. It would have been apprehended 30 miles before. But
were placed there because in 1967 some drunken Army guys actually
went up that river and were interned in Cambodia. And so to avoid future
incidents, those gunboats were placed there. And we checked with the c
ommander of those gunboats, whose name is Tom Anderson.
He's also in the book.

<snip>

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4835

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x775416#775520

and

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=716&e=5&u=/ap/20040826/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_critic_swift_boats

Or see Tom Oliphant for a light background on O'Neill (and a good read):
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/08/22/smear_by_veterans_may_hurt_bush/


e.) Task Force 115 (25 Aug. 2004):

<snip>

The Navy task force overseeing John Kerry's swift boat squadron in
Vietnam reported that his group of boats came under enemy fire during
a March 13, 1969, incident that three decades later is being challenged by
the Democratic presidential nominee's critics.

The March 18, 1969, weekly report from Task Force 115, which was
located by The Associated Press during a search of Navy archives, is
the latest document to surface that supports Kerry's description of an event
for which he won a Bronze Star and a third Purple Heart.

The Task Force report twice mentions the incident five days earlier and both
times calls it "an enemy initiated firefight" that included automatic weapons fire
and underwater mines used against a group of five boats that included Kerry's.

<snip>

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040825_973.html

and

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5818634

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4. V. Points of Collusion Between Republicans and the SBVT

V. Points of Collusion Between Republicans and the SBVT


A schematic showing basic associations (and some contradictions):

http://nytimes.com/imagepages/2004/08/19/politics/campaign/20040820_SWIFT_GRAPH.html

and more on the potential Merrie Spaeth connection:

<snip>

Ms. Spaeth was spokeswoman for a group that ran $2 million worth of ads
attacking Senator John McCain's environmental record and lauding Mr. Bush's
in crucial states during their fierce primary battle. The group, calling itself
Republicans for Clean Air, was founded by a prominent Texas supporter
of Mr. Bush, Sam Wyly.

<snip>

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/politics/campaign/20s...



Merrie Spaeth's recent "interview" with Joe Scarborough:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5818684 /

and

<snip>

How the group came into existence is a story of how veterans with
longstanding anger about Mr. Kerry's antiwar statements in the early
1970's allied themselves with Texas Republicans.

<snip>

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/politics/campaign/20swift.html


and:

<snip>

"A series of interviews and a review of documents show a web of connections
to the Bush family, high-profile Texas political figures and President Bush's
chief political aide, Karl Rove," the Times reported."Several of those now
declaring Mr. Kerry 'unfit' had lavished praise on him, some as recently
as last year.

<snip>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5771731/


and:

<snip>

WASHINGTON, Aug. 20 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Public records reveal that two
of the people in the new "Swift Boat Veterans for Bush" television ad are
Republican activists . . . . This is just more proof that Bush's Republican allies
are the ones behind this disgraceful smear of John Kerry (news -web sites)'s
military record. It's pretty clear what's going on here. It's no wonder the Bush
campaign refuses to condemn this smear.

<snip>

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=669&ncid=669&e=2&u=/usnw/20040820/pl_usnw/more_republican_ties_revealed_behind__swift_boat_vets_for_bush___says_kerry_campaign141_xml


and:

<snip>

Mr. Bush's campaign confirmed on Saturday . . . that one of the veteran in that
advertisement (SBV ad #1) was a member (of) the Bush campaign's veterans'
advisory committee.

<snip>

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/22/politics/campaign/22swift.html


DU's Mayberry Machiavelli pointed out in a post:

Ken Cordier was on Bush campaign staff right up until his appearance in
the second Swift Boat commercial, proving that Bush campaign denials
of connection with the smear campaign are disingenuous (long word for "lies"):

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/21/edwards.swift...



And Benjamin Ginsberg, the national counsel for Bush's re-election campaign
had to resign due to connections with SBVT:

<snip>

The Washington Post revealed today that a top attorney to the Bush
campaign, Benjamin Ginsberg, has been advising the Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth.

<snip>


http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000511.html

and:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6067942

and:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5818634

and:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040824/ap_on_el_pr/veterans_group_bush_2&printer=1


Well, maybe what Ginsberg was doing was legal. Right? Well then, why
did he argued differently just two weeks ago?

<snip>

An article that appeared in the Philadelphia Inquirer just two weeks ago included
this bit about Ginsberg: "Ben Ginsberg, a legal adviser to the Bush campaign,
specifically condemned the dual roles played by Democrats Harold Ickes and Bill
Richardson, who had official roles at the convention and also within prominent f
riendly 527s. 'They're over the coordination line,' Ginsberg said of Ickes and Richardson.
'The whole notion of cutting off links between public officeholders and soft-money
groups just got exploded.'"

To make things even better, Ginsberg doesn't just advise the Swift Boat Guys -- a
role he will no doubt seriously downplay over the next few days. He serves as the
official chief counsel to Progress for America, another 527 that, according to the
Center for Responsive Politics, exists to "form 'issue truth squads' that respond to
Democratic attacks on President Bush."

<snip>

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_08/004571.php




Now the main SBVT backer, Robert Perry, is co-hosting Rove next week
at a county fundraiser! (Additionally, Rove claims not to have spoken with
Perry in a year. Ain't life grand!)

<snip>

. . . the Dallas Morning News yesterday reported that the man bankrolling
the smear ads is hosting President Bush's top political adviser at a fundraiser
in New York during the Republican National Convention. Robert Perry, the
top Bush-Cheney fundraiser who is financing the Swift Boat Veterans for
Truth ads, "is listed as the co-host" of an event whose guest list includes Karl
Rove on September 1

<snip>

http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df08252004.html



and from the Dallas Morning News:

<snip>

Invitations to the Harris County reception and fund-raiser Sept. 1 at Tavern
on the Green name Mr. Perry as an event sponsor, and those on the invitation
list include former President George Bush, presidential adviser Karl Rove and
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay.

<snip>

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/registration/register.jsp?fw=http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/washington/stories/082404dnpolfundraiser.5ae2b.html



Yet another conflict of interest, as DUs BurtWorm has it: SBVT Treasurer
Administers GOP FEC Compliance Firm. Her name is Susan Arceneaux

<snip>

Political Compliance Services Inc. is a consulting company based in Fairfax, VA.
On its website, it describes itself as "an accounting services vendor specializing in
FEC regulations. Our comprehensive approach to your individual accounting needs
will deliver you from the headaches and legal ramifications of FEC non-compliance."

Its website says that it "serves the following political organizations":

Candidate Committees
Separate Segregated Funds
Non-Connected PACs
Party Committees

In May 2004, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth paid $7500 to Political Compliance
Services for what is described on its IRS form 8872 as "Compliance Consulting".
Despite this, in August 2004 three campaign finance watchdog groups filed a
complaint with the Federal Election Commission arguing that the Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth were in breach of restrictions applying to 527 committees

On its website, Political Compliance Services boasts that: "Our consultants and
analysts are career experts in campaign and PAC accounting, finance,
administration and compliance." <11> However, it appears shy of disclosing
who exactly those consultants are. No information is given on the site regarding
who works for the company. Fortunately, its entry in the WHOIS database is more
informative. It lists Susan Arceneaux as the administrative contact for the company.

. . .

Susan Arceneaux is also the treasurer of The Majority Leader's Fund, a PAC
affiliated with the former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas <13>.
Interestingly, the Majority Leader's Fund has been a client of Political Compliance
Services <14>.

Arceneaux is also listed as the contact person for the recently-formed right-wing
PAC FreedomWorks, on its IRS form 8872 for the first quarter of 2004 <15>.

<snip>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x69684



We may get to know much more very soon since Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics
in Washington (CREW) has filed a Freedom of Information Act request investigating
links between the WH and the SBV for Truth group:

<snip>

(Melanie) Sloan (CREW's exec. director) decided to send the FOIA after reading that,
upon being asked whether she had worked with White House officials, SBVT public
relations coordinator Merrie Spaeth said "The answer is 'no' unless you refresh my
memory." (NYT 8/20/04). Sloan said that she was also skeptical of Bush political
advisor Karl Rove's claim that he has not spoken with his friend and large Republican
donor Bob Perry in over a year. The FOIA was sent, said Sloan, "to gather the
information Ms. Spaeth, Karl Rove and others may need to have their memories
refreshed as to whether or not SBVT illegally coordinated with the White House."

<snip>


But it looks like CREW is being stonewalled:

<snip>

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) filed
the FOIA request on August 24 and received a letter from the Executive
Office of the President Friday, denying the grounds that it is "exempt from
having to disclose the information" under the law.

CREW had asked the White House to release information regarding contacts
between the Executive Office of the President and members of SBVT and
others associated with the group, including public relations, advertising,
detective and fundraising organizations.

CREW filed the FOIA after learning that President Bush's political advisor Karl
Rove had claimed not to have spoken with his longtime friend and primary
SVBT donor Bob J. Perry, in over a year.

<snip>

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_5128.shtml

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=669&ncid=669&e=1&u=/usnw/20040824/pl_usnw/crew_foias_white_house_contacts_with_swift_boat_veterans_group137_xml


Du's own Skinner (!) is doing a state-by-state search for collusion between local and state
Republican committees and the SBVTs in terms of rallies, links and ads on web-sites
and selling of SBVT materials, incl. Unfit for Command.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=649597&mesg_id=649597


such as . . .

<snip>

"Bush Campaign Caught Promoting "Swift Boat Vets for Truth" While National
Campaign Denies Coordination, Campaign in Florida Promotes Rally

Tallahassee -- On the same day that the Bush-Cheney campaign repeatedly
denied coordinating attacks with the anti-Kerry group "Swift Boat Veterans for
Truth," the Bush-Cheney campaign in Florida was caught promoting a rally
in Gainesville for the group

<snip>

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2004_08_15_atrios_archive.html#109303885084378264

and

<snip>

. . . city permits obtained by The New York Times listed the Alachua County
Republican Party Executive Committee as one of four sponsors for the (SBVT)
rally, and one of the checks to pay for the permit was written by a member of the
party's executive committee. Additional permits for the rally were taken out by
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and two additional anti-Kerry veterans groups,
all of which gave their address as the local Republican party headquarters and
their contact as a member of the party's executive committee.

Travis Horn, the chairman of the county Republican Party, first said that the
party had been invitees, not sponsors. Asked about the permits, he then said
that there had been no "collusion." Dineen Wolfersheim, the name listed as the
contact, said that she is on the party's executive committee but had taken out
the permits as a private citizen and that Lourdes Chu, another member of the
executive committee, had likewise paid for the permits as a private
citizen.

<snip>

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/27/politics/campaign/27swift.html


Example of Bush campaign rally in collusion with SBVT:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4439188,00.html


and DU's fine posts and members . . . on the job with cameras!! Wow! Check it out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x657176

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x646015

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040821/LOCAL/40821006/1078/news&template=printart



And the Official Minnesota Republican Website links the SBV ad:

<snip>

Webpage "Prepared and Paid for by Republican Party of Minnesota" Found
to Be Linking to the Swift Boat Ads. In Minnesota . . . an official Republican Party
webpage was recently found to be linking to the Swift Boat Ads. The webpage goes
on to . . . question . . . John Kerry's service in Vietnam: SWIFT VETS ARE
GETTING TO KERRY; DID HE LIE ABOUT HIS SERVICE, repeatedly, in an
effort to embellish it? DID HE TAKE CREDIT for engagements fought by other men . . .?
The website also contains a link to purchase the book produced by Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth, "Unfit For Command".

<snip>

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=669&ncid=669&e=1&u=/usnw/20040823/pl_usnw/kerry_edwards__reports_detail_even_closer_ties_to_bush_campaign__no_wonder_bush_won_t_condemn_this_smear_his_campaign_is_behind



Or even the right-wing affiliations (O'Neill with Charles Colson in
the Nixon WH) of those making the charges as these:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x647917

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=647199&mesg_id=647199

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_9865.shtml


The similarity between the attack on Kerry and the attacks
on other Bush opponents, including McCain, as well as
those who've opposed Karl Rove's candidates, suggests
on-going and systematic collusion:

<snip>

"It's amazing how similar this type of attack is to the pattern
of attacks I have seen over two decades -- in some cases
involving Bush's campaigns, in other cases they involved
campaigns in which Karl Rove was a participant,'' said
Wayne Slater, senior political writer at the Dallas Morning
News, who has covered Bush since his early days in Texas
politics and is author of the book "Bush's Brain,'' about Rove.

"In every case, the approach is the same: You have a
surrogate group of allies, independent of the Bush campaign,
raising questions not about the opponent's weakness but
directly about the opponent's strength,'' Slater said. "In every
case it works."

<snip>

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/08/24/SWIFT.TMP

[GOPAgainstGW]

9. Here's More For Today

Swift boat writer lied on Cambodia claim
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x682987

EMail to HardBall Re: GOP Op Admiral Fraud Schachte
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x682942

Bush Losing - Karl Rove & Co Go Into Crazed HyperDrive
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x682877

Sen. JOHN MCCAIN SUCKS - TAKE ACTION!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x682819

Hardball: Ron Reagan call Swift Boaters a pack of liars
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x680937

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Beltway and Texas Republicans
Against Bush-Cheney ’04, Inc.
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[skip fox]

11. Thanks! I've added two paragraphs (I don't cover the

non-substantive, the editorial, the political . . . just trying
to lay out the facts &c., which is damning enough.




Here's what I added under Admiral Schachte in Section III:


(but as some Duers have noted, Schachte, even though he claims,
in this Novak column–below–to be independent. is a Republican
donor):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x678747


DU's GOPAgainstGW investigated, finding:

<snip>

Admiral Schachte is employed by the law firm of Blank and Rome.

A member of the Board of Directors of Blank and Rome is Mr. David A
Norcross, who, coincidentally is the Chairman of the 2004 Republican
National Convention's Committee on Arrangements.

<snip>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x682942



*********************************************************


And here's what I added at the very end of Section V:

So it should come as little surprise that Elenor Cliff's confidential source
(a staffer for a Republican senator) told her:

<snip>

The strategy "came straight from the West Wing," says the GOP
staffer. "Nobody should be confused." Asked to explain, this Republican
says Rove is smart enough to keep technical distance. But all it takes is
a well-placed wink to activate a web of Bush family hit men, confidantes
and deep-pocket donors. "They know what to do--it's like sleeper cells
that get activated," he says, likening the players to "political terrorists."

<snip>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5843033/site/newsweek

[skip fox]

12. Two additions to Section V (28 Aug.)

At very beginning of sections, under the NYT's schemata of connections:

Kerry's new page on the connections he finds:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/web_of_connections.pdf



***********************************************************

New last few paragraphs for entire section V:


So it should come as little surprise that Elenor Cliff's confidential source
(a staffer for a Republican senator) told her:

<snip>

The strategy "came straight from the West Wing," says the GOP
staffer. "Nobody should be confused." Asked to explain, this Republican
says Rove is smart enough to keep technical distance. But all it takes is
a well-placed wink to activate a web of Bush family hit men, confidantes
and deep-pocket donors. "They know what to do--it's like sleeper cells
that get activated," he says, likening the players to "political terrorists."

<snip>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5843033/site/newsweek

[skip fox]

27. Recent developments. MOre points of collusion.

And yet another official in Bush's Campaign, GOP convention
Chairman David Norcross linked to SBVT:

<snip>

GOP convention Chairman David Norcross practices law in the
same D.C. firm, Blank Rome, as William Schachte, a retired Navy
admiral who says Kerry did not deserve one of his Purple Heart
medals, Time magazine reported yesterday.

Schachte is aligned with the anti-Kerry group Swift Boat Veterans
for Truth, which has dominated the campaign in recent weeks with
accusations that the former Swift boat skipper is lying about how
he got his war medals.


<snip>

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/227267p-195132c.html

[skip fox]

5. One kick for the weekend. Perhaps others will do this the favor of keeping

it on the first page of Eds.

I'd appreciate and I think it may be most useful there (wandering journalist, etc.)

[Happy Eddie]

6. Just a kick; thank you, Skip Fox! n/t

[Octafish]

7. A kick to the pants of the BFEE!

Thanks, skip! This is our greatest weapon: The Truth.



Sink the BFEE!

[GOPAgainstGW]

8. That's a War II PT Boat - Nice!

[Octafish]

10. PT-109

Here's the Crew.



Here's the Skipper.

Good Democrat, too.

[skip fox]

14. BFEE????

Gee, I'm pretty slow on these. Been around for a year-and-a-half, but don't know BFEE.

[Octafish]

16. Bush Family Evil Empire

A.K.A.
Bush Organized Crime Family
Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise
La Busha Nostra
Bushistas
The Axis of Totally Evil
The Octopus
For Whom The Little Turd from Crawford Begs
Satan's Bedfellows
Der Smirkelgrüber und der Fourth Reich
Bushco

In Business Since November 22, 1963

[A_Possum]

15. Photographic refutation of claim that Kerry "faked" his Silver Star

CLAIM: Because Kerry's DD-214 shows a clerical error which adds a "combat V for Valor" to the Silver Star, something which is never properly added to the Silver Star, this means Kerry must have faked the paperwork.

FACTS: Kerry was awarded the Silver Star at An Thoi in Vietnam shortly after an action that took place on February 28, 1969. The decision to award Kerry the Silver Star was made by Admiral Zumwalt, who at first had put him up for the Navy Cross, but decided that award would take too long to clear with the Navy bureaucracy.

There are a number of witnesses to the medal ceremony in which Zumwalt pinned Kerry with the Silver Star, including Commander Charles Horne and Commander George Elliot, who later said, "We were trying to pay tribute to Kerry and the others for going above and beyond the call of duty. The Silver Star is always a big deal." Tommy Belodeau (deceased) and Mike Madeiros were given Bronze Stars, and Del Sandusky, Fred Short and Gene Thorson were given Navy Commendation Medals with Combat V in the same ceremony at An Thoi.

This is the Silver Star:



This is a photo of Kerry and his crew after the medal ceremony. Kerry wears the star on his uniform, the medal on the right.



P.S. Thanks for this thread, SkipFox

[A_Possum]

22. Very minor correction to quote ID

Among the facts above about Kerry's Silver Star, I mentioned it was Commander Elliot who later said, "We were trying to pay tribute to Kerry and the others for going above and beyond the call of duty. The Silver Star is always a big deal."

In fact it was Commander Charles Horne who said this. He's quoted in TOUR OF DUTY, David Brinkley, 2004, pp 293-294.

Any circulation of this info should incorporate this correction to prevent confusion.

[GOPAgainstGW]

17. MORE SBVT INFO AND LINKS FOR CONSIDERATION

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Beltway and Texas Republicans
Against Bush-Cheney ’04, Inc.
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Email Rec’d
08.28.08

XXX, there might be some links here to help in your private investigation. This list uses that tinyrurl bs which is worthless and has spyware, so cut and paste info into search engine to find.

Cheers,

XXXXXX

==========

Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
http://www.aboutmytalk.com/t128545/s&.html
Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
HOT NEWS! Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
connections

LATEST NEWS - August 22, 2004
** http://tinyurl.com/639as veteran working to help re-elect incumbent
president George W. Bush resigned
** http://tinyurl.com/5w7by More Republican Ties Revealed Behind
"Swift Boat Vets For Bush"
** http://tinyurl.com/6wre9 Bush Campaign Drops Swift Boat Ad Figure
-- Cordier's connection to the Bush campaign was made public yesterday
by the Kerry campaign, which found that Cordier had been named on the
Bush Web site earlier this month as a member of the veterans committee
** http://tinyurl.com/4gs53 Cordier was SWFT and GOP operative at same
time. Kenneth Cordier, a retired colonel ... who appeared in an
advertisement to be aired by the anti-Kerry group, SWVT, would on
longer serve in his voluntary position on President George W. Bush's
veterans steering committee.
** http://tinyurl.com/5telj Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas,
chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, said that while the
group had "every right" to express their opinion, "WE OUGHT TO GET OUT
OF THE CHARACTER ASSASSINATION BUSINESS."

NEWS - August 21, 2004
** http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/p...ml?pagewanted=1
http://tinyurl.com/4r7a8
** http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Aug21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4fyem Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete And Flawed
** http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ll=chi-news-hed
http://tinyurl.com/6wvtm Anti-Kerry vets not there that day
** http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ll=chi-news-hed
http://tinyurl.com/6v4no Swift boat skipper: Kerry critics wrong --
Tribune editor breaks long silence on Kerry record; fought in disputed
battle
** http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...MNGE08C6V11.DTL
http://tinyurl.com/45xfx Kerry's Vietnam-era testimony criticized in
new attack ad -- Democrat counters with endorsement by retired general
** http://www.suntimes.com/output/elec...nws-camp21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4jjth Dems see link to Swift Boat Vets, Bush-Cheney

----------------------------------

*** George W. Bush - Closely tied to Merrie Spaeth's husband Tex
Lezar, benefitted from Bob Perry money, linked to Karl Rove, to
Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, to Regnery publishing, to Harlan Crow
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"Bob Perry"".
*** Karl Rove - Closely linked to GW Bush, to Merrie Spaeth, to John
O'Neill, to Bob Perry, to Harlan Crow, to organized crime conspiracies
of Philip Morris
http://tinyurl.com/3hpjo
http://tobaccodocuments.org/ai_news...0Rove%22#images
http://tinyurl.com/5cmwh
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"Swift Boat".
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http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2041...0Rove%22#images
*** Merrie Spaeth (Tex Lezar) Linked to GW Bush, Linked to smears of
John McCain using same criminal fraud tactics, to Karl Rove, Bob
Perry, to Ken Starr, linked to organized crime tobacco conspiracies
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*** Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group
http://tinyurl.com/5h6za http://mediamatters.org/items/200406020006
http://tinyurl.com/3rx8z http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060011
*** John E. O'Neill (Charles Colson apprentice) Linked to Nixon,
registered republican and donor, linked to Crow and Perry, to Corsi
and Regnery
http://tinyurl.com/4vrwqGOOGLE.COM Results 482 for "John E. O'Neill"
Colson.
http://tinyurl.com/496xl
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=John_E._O'Neill
*** Harlan Crow (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, to Perry AEI
board,
http://tinyurl.com/5afl5
http://www.aei.org/about/contentID....073/default.asp
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swift.
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http://tinyurl.com/3oggt
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swift.
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republican party, numerous republican polician campaigns
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& Potholm" swift.
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http://tinyurl.com/6xnut http://srcpmedia.com/work.html
*** Regnery, a conservative company linked to Richard Mellon Scaife
who manipulates best-seller book list rankings, to Ken Starr, to Corsi
and O'Neill
http://tinyurl.com/5qw2n http://www.phillips.com/eagle.htm
http://tinyurl.com/4zvy2
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictiona...ichard%20Scaife
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Publishing" Richard Mellon Scaife.
*** Jerome R. Corsi Linked to Richard Scaife, to O'Neill, to Regnery
http://tinyurl.com/5a83u http://mediamatters.org/items/200408120001
http://tinyurl.com/5l66z http://mediamatters.org/items/200408110007
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*** Dr. Louis Letson
http://tinyurl.com/3sf73
http://www.fearofclowns.com/text/ke...heart_debunked/
http://tinyurl.com/5atvt
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231
*** William L. Schachte Jr., a retired rear admiral
http://tinyurl.com/3wttr
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04228/361477.stm
http://tinyurl.com/65xuf
http://www.underzealous.com/index.php/2004/08/13/p522
*** Larry Thurlow, who said his boat was 50 to 60 yards from Mr.
Kerry's.
http://tinyurl.com/5m4dc
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Aug18.html
http://tinyurl.com/6fyu4
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Aug18.html
http://tinyurl.com/5mhcw
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i6344

The felony fraud organized crime ring is further connected to other
organiced crime fraud operations:

### Richard Mellon Scaife <http://tinyurl.com/5vdpe> is trumpetting it
from his publications. Scaife is historically linked to several of the
felons in the SwiftLiars crime ring. Scaife also funds a broad
coalition of websites and front organizations which are also promoting
this felony conspiracy though their own fraud crime operations:

Scaife thrall organization and Scaife leash-dollars put in it:
*** Heritage Foundation, $20,696,640 (Townhall.com)
http://tinyurl.com/6ng83 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 6,000 for
"Heritage Foundation" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
$5,201,000
http://tinyurl.com/68tqj GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,750 for
"American Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Spectator Educational Foundation, Inc. $4,144,000
http://tinyurl.com/3n92j GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,920 for
"American Spectator" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Accuracy in Media, Inc. $3,225,000
http://tinyurl.com/3tg26 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,880 for
"Accuracy in Media" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation $2,335,000
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"Citizens for a Sound Economy" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Cato Institute $1,872,500
http://tinyurl.com/6jrt7 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,920 for "Cato
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** National Center for Policy Analysis $1,760,000
http://tinyurl.com/4yyhy GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,550 for
"National Center for Policy Analysis" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Independent Women's Forum $1,600,000
http://tinyurl.com/4j9ae GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,670 for
"Independent Women's Forum" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Competitive Enterprise Institute $1,525,000
http://tinyurl.com/585fn GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,550 for
"Competitive Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Legislative Exchange Council $1,495,000
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"American Legislative Exchange Council" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Defenders of Property Rights $965,000
http://tinyurl.com/4l3gc GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,440 for
"Defenders of Property Rights" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Media Research Center, Inc. $952,000
http://tinyurl.com/46hys GOOGLE.COM Results Results 5,240 for "Media
Research Center" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Institute for Humane Studies $950,000
http://tinyurl.com/3w7b3 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,450 for
"Institute for Humane Studies" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** National Center for Public Policy Research, Inc. $825,000
http://tinyurl.com/59wll Google.com 2,610 for "National Center for
Public Policy Research" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Media Institute $645,000
http://tinyurl.com/6s7b4 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,200 for "Media
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Acton Institute For The Study of Religion and Liberty $565,000
http://tinyurl.com/6h98g GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,470 for "Acton
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.

### Sun Myung Moon is another felony fraud conspirator using his
organized crime operation to advance his candidate who has a bilnd eye
to Moon's crimes. The WASHINGTON TIMES and UPI wireservice is Moonie
front operations. <
http://tinyurl.com/6nlt9>

***
http://tinyurl.com/55jrwGOOGLE.COM Results 42,600 for "Washington
Times" Swift boat OR Boats.

SUN MYUNG MOON uses "CHURCH PROPERTY", helps create 42,600 webpages
circulating LIES.
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Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
> HOT NEWS! Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
> connections
>
> LATEST NEWS - August 22, 2004
> ** http://tinyurl.com/639as veteran working to help re-elect incumbent
> president George W. Bush resigned
> ** http://tinyurl.com/5w7by More Republican Ties Revealed Behind
> "Swift Boat Vets For Bush"

[skip fox]

21. It'll take a few days to get to these.

For now I'll try to just stay on top of the stories as they unfold.

Thurs. is first easy day of week for me.

[DoYouEverWonder]

18. Documents and Pics for the Gainesville Rally Aug 21 & 22 2004

These are the links to the pictures I took at GOP Headquarters, 1212 N. Main Street Gainesville on August 20, 2004 around 9:00 PM. I posted them on DU sortly afterward that night. The flyer for the Pro USA Rally is hanging up an easel just inside the front door.


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Next are links to the PRO USA POLITICAL RALLY on Saturday, August 21. Some good pics of all the Kerry Supporters as wells as the GOP Activists that did show up and ending up standing around the stage, not really knowing what to do with themselves.

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Last but not least are scans of the USE AGREEMENTS, for renting the Gainesville Community Plaza on Aug 21 and 22, 2004 for the PRO USA POLITICAL RALLY

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For more info about this story, the following stories put out by the Gainesville Sun are a good place to start.

Gainesville at center of swift boat dispute

[GOPAgainstGW]

19. Great Work!!!!!!!!

[GOPAgainstGW]

20. EXACTLY WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THIS DU WORK!

Skinner ADMIN
DU PROJECT -- THE GREAT SWIFT BOAT-GOP SEARCH !

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=649597&mesg_id=649597


What's the deal with this thread? Has it been formalized, written up, and forwarded to the appropriate people?

Thanks

NRK

[JPZenger]

23. Lies by Swift Boat Leader - Compiled by www.MediaMatters.org

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250002

[skip fox]

24. Great source, thanks!

I've added to the file I'll post in a couple days. (Tomorrow if there's anything "breaking.")

[Octafish]

25. Put a tin fish into these creeps.

:kick: and sink the Smear Boat Liars for Bush.

[Eloriel]

28. Thank you, Skip!

Great work.

[GOPAgainstGW]

29. File A Legal Ethics Complaint Against John O’Neill - PLEASE READ!

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NOTE: PLEASE MAKE SURE THIS INFORMATION GETS TO THE RIGHT "DU PLAYERS" ON THIS FORUM AND "OTHER IMPORTANT PEOPLE". THANKS :-)
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Beltway and Texas Republicans
Against Bush-Cheney ’04, Inc.
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Filing A Legal Ethics Complaint Against John O’Neill and other related disclosure matters

I/we are seeing the below ethics complaint form, to file against John O’Neill, floating around on DU threads.

This is a great idea, BUT this form has to be filed based on actual facts where John E. O’Neill is actually violating Texas State Laws governing the legal practice of law. Without this information, you are wasting your time, and will ruin your welcome at the Texas Bar Association.

To make this work and nail our favorite scumbag John E. O’Neill, you need to contact the Texas Democratic Party and get them to help you and coordinate this effort. The head of TDP is a powerful Houston attorney named Charles Soechting, with a very powerful law Firm that donates heavily to the DNC.

Soechting, and one of his partners John O'Quinn, who is a major heavy weight and big money attorney, knows John Edwards. O'Quinn particularly hates O'Neill! If DU can give these cannon attorney's the ammo they need, these guyes will destroy O'Neill and his two-bit SBVT frauds. Also John Edwards is going after Dick Cheney to drag him down as part of the new Kerry-Edwards "Tough Love" campaign initiative!

Further, neither Presidential party is campaigning in Texas because it is not a swing State. So don’t think that Texas Democrats know what hard working DUers here know! This is one hell of a site, with a ton of good information. Send the TDP everything and get to know these people WELL!

Also, Soechting has been quite unhappy, and very vocal, with Terry McAuliffe and the DNC over Kerry-Edwards not campaigning in Texas because so many Texas Republicans, like our Cartel, have turned their back on Bush-Cheney.

No, Kerry-Edwards cannot carry Texas, but they could go to Texas and raise a boatload of money, and make all the contacts with people that personally know all the individuals in the “Bush-Cheney’s Texas Mafia” which includes Fraud O’Neil and his chum buddies!

Here is TDP’s site:
http://www.txdemocrats.org/

Also check this TDP web page out:
http://www.txdemocrats.org/news/delay/index.php

Soechting wants Bush’s “War Dog” and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay’s (Houston) head on a stick BAD!!! DeLay is the most corrupt politician in America and is under a massive criminal grand jury investigation for campaign financing fraud, bribery, extortion, money laundering, and racketeering.

This is important to all Kerry-Edwards supporters, because Bob Perry (Houston) is Tom DeLay’s single largest donor. Bob "200,000 SBVT donor” Perry has been in bed with Delay, with their political criminal enterprise, for years and both are involved in this O’Neill-SBVT fradulent scam. Understanding this, you will then understand that all their activity ties back to Bush-Cheney and their “Texas Mafia” partners, which is what my Cartel is trying to expose and drag down criminally. – T.A.B.

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Here’s the form that has been floating around DU threads
FAX AN ETHICS COMPLAINT TO THE TEXAS STATE BAR TODAY

Force John O'Neill to be accountable for the accuracy of his public statements:

John E. O'Neill
CLEMENTS O'NEILL PIERCE WILSON ET AL
1000 LOUISIANA ST STE 1800
HOUSTON, TX, 77002
phone [phone]

Bar Card Number: 1529750

John E. O'Neill, author of Unfit for Command, is an attorney licensed and practicing in Texas. Rumor has it he thinks he will be appointed a federal judge...

According to the Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct:

Rule 8.04 Misconduct (a) A lawyer shall not: ...(3) engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;

The State Bar can sanction him, suspend his license or even DISBAR him.

PLEASE WRITE, FAX, FED EX THE TEXAS STATE BAR TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THESE VIOLATIONS - including at least one specific example of an obvious lie and you must sign your name:

P.O. Box 12487
Austin, Texas 78711

1414 Colorado St.
Austin, TX 78701

Fax: [phone] <----------------------------

Telephone Numbers --- but writing is better

Toll Free: [phone]
Local: [phone]

COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF O'NEILL'S DEBUNKED LIES AT www.mediamatters.org - search on "O'NEILL"

www.texasbar.com for more info if you need it

(AND WRITE LETTERS TO THE EDITOR OF TEXAS NEWSPAPERS ASKING WHY O'NEILL IS NOT BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE UNDER THIS RULE)
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Here is Texas Democratic Party Chairman Soechting’s Texas Bar Association Info:

CHARLES E. SOECHTING
Bar Card Number: 18821300
Last Updated By Attorney On: 06/16/2003

Work Address 440 LOUISIANA
2300 LYRIC CENTER BLDG
HOUSTON, TX, 77002
Work Phone Number [phone]

Primary Practice Location HOUSTON , Texas
Current Member Status
Eligible To Practice In Texas

License Information
State Bar Card Number*: 18821300
Texas Licensed*: 10/30/1981

Practice Information
Firm: O'QUINN & LAMINACK
Firm Size: 25 to 40
Occupation: Private Law Practice
Primary Practice Areas: Litigation: Personal Injury

Courts of Admittance:
Federal Courts of Admittance:
Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals

Education and Certification History
Law Schools:
Law School Graduation Date Degree Earned
South Texas College Of Law 05/1981
Doctor of Jurisprudence/Juris Doctor (J.D.)

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Here is John O’Neill’s Texas Bar Association Info:

JOHN ELLIS O'NEILL
Bar Card Number: 15297500
Last Updated By Attorney On: 06/06/2003

Work Address: 1000 LOUISIANA ST STE 1800,HOUSTON, TX, 77002
Work Phone Number [phone]
Primary Practice Location: HOUSTON , Texas
Current Member Status: Eligible To Practice In Texas

License Information:
State Bar Card Number*: 15297500
Texas Licensed: 04/29/1974

Practice Information:
Firm: CLEMENTS O'NEILL PIERCE WILSON ET AL
Firm Size: 25 to 40
Occupation: Private Law Practice
Primary Practice Areas: Litigation: Commercial
Courts of Admittance:
Federal Courts of Admittance:
Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals
Texas Southern District/Bankruptcy Court
Other Courts of Admittance:
No information reported by attorney
Other States Where authorized to practice:
No Other States reported by attorney

Education and Certification History:
Law School Graduation Date Degree Earned:
University Of Texas 06/1974-Doctor of Jurisprudence/Juris Doctor (J.D.)
Texas Board of Legal Specialization Certifications:
No profile data on file for Texas Board of Legal Specialization Certification

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Here’s John O’Neill’s Law Firm’s Letterhead:

CLEMENTS, O'NEILL, PIERCE, WILSON & FULKERSON
A Registered Limited Liability Partnership
ATTORNEYS AT LAW
WELLS FARGO PLAZA
1000 LOUISIANA STREET, SUITE 1800
HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002-5009
[phone] * Facsimile [phone]
www.copwf.com
JOHN E. O'NEILL
Partner
[phone]
[e-mail]
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[skip fox]

30. Please send me undated items (as GOPAgainstBush does) by tomorrow.

I'll be updating the file.

[GOPAgainstGW]

31. Here's More Adds to Throw In

BRaBC04, Inc. – 09.02.04 DU-SBVT Update:

Beltway Republicans Against Bush-Cheney, ’04, Inc.
Public Sites We Post Information

Democratic Underground (GOPAgainstGW):
General Discussion: Campaign 2004:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=132

Swift-Boat-Veterans-for-Truth-Gate: The File: (Skip Fox’s Thread, …does a great job!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=70318&mesg_id=70318

The Kerry-Edwards OnLine Forum – http://forum.johnkerry.com
Media Matters for America – http://mediamatters.org
http://swiftvets.eriposte.com
www.disinfopedia.org
http://www.swiftboatliars.com/

Note: We monitor approx 88 sites for SBVT information 24/7 and have 2 licensed private investigators and 2 criminal attorneys (1 in Houston that knows O'Neill and 1 in D.C.) on this case for 5 weeks now.

----DU Skip Fox Thread Update--------------

Kerry-Edwards Press Release - 'Smear Boat Veterans Newsletter'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x790924

New Vets Come Forward – Shows SBVT Criminal Fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x795313

Two Vets Say SBVT Illegally Used Their Names & Lied
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=695005&mesg_id=695005

Ex-Viet Cong Soldier Voting for Kerry - With Our Comments
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x704263

EMail to HardBall Re: GOP Op Admiral Fraud Schachte
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x682942

Wife of Killed in Action Swift Boat Commander Comes Forward for Kerry, Against SBVT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=677474&mesg_id=677474

File A Legal Ethics Complaint Against John O’Neill:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=711267#719144

Swift Boat Writer (O'Neill) Lied on Cambodia Claim
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x682987

O'Neill Says SBVT Now Has $2.9 million in donations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x719978

The New Book Attacking Kerry's War Record: - How It Defames the Candidate, and Why He Should Sue
By John Dean, Formal White House Counsel to President Richard M. Nixon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x70859

John McCain was On David Letterman tonight in a long Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x721551

The McCain-Kerry Flap–THE REAL STORY - Part I of II
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x721076

Another Major Bush-GOP Tie Discovered with Criminal Conduct Involved – ParaCletes Equipment & Supply, Inc. Major Bush GOP fraud and direct ties discovered - (Investigation complete - to be posted)

Kerry vs. Bush & Cheney - A Past President’s Perspective
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x698561

The Vietnam Years – John Kerry vs President Richard Nixon and the White House Administration – 1971 with full transcripts and audio links. Why John Kerry is a True Hero! Done to be posted

Other
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The 9/13/04 Torpedo that Sinks Bush-Cheney - Let the Election War Begin!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=795748&mesg_id=795748

Two dozen soldiers may be charged in Bagram prison deaths -USA Today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795500#795621

Excellent Must Read Article on John Kerry & His Presidential Bid
DAMAGE CONTROL - Voters Need to Believe that John Kerry can put the Country Back on Track.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=696519&mesg_id=696519&page=

Kerry vs. Bush & Cheney - A Past President’s Perspective
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x698561

Bush Losing - Karl Rove & Co Go Into Crazed HyperDrive
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=682877&mesg_id=682877

CBS 60 Minutes Exposed Cheney-Iran-Haliburton Scandal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x787794
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