Unbelievable! "Your License, Your Urine"

[CrispyQ]

Abso-fucking-lutely unbelievable! What the hell happened to America?


Your license, your urine:

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Imagine if it were against the law to drive home after consuming a single glass of wine at dinner. Now imagine it is illegal to drive after having consumed a single glass of wine two weeks ago. Guess what? If you smoke pot, it's time to stop imagining.


http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/19008/

[Tiberius]

1. Yup

This is why I cringe whenever people scream that "driving is not a right, it's a privilege"... somehow people don't understand how that concept will be abused, even though I technically agree with it.

Someday breathing will be determined to be a "privilege, not a right"...

[Fovea]

10. Sorry you cringe

but to me, driving is a privilege. I know, I lost the privilege after a stroke. I dont want to drive and you shouldnt either, because I would not be safe behind the wheel of a car.

The real issue is the violation of the 4th amendment.
It doesn't matter what driving is. It does matter that the
constitutional protection is almost completely eroded.

Just say no to the war on drugs and liberty.

[teryang]

2. Urine tests are more invasive

...than being requested to blow into an alcohol screening device. I don't think this can be justified. The lack of a nexus in time is also a problem. (Who is going to pay for all this?)

You're stopped at a posted random traffic stop. The officer checks your license and registration and does or does not come up with probable cause to have you exit the vehicle. He then hands you a bottle and asks you to get out of your car and pee into it? Where? This is just a screening test and the results do not meet requirements for proof of guilt of anything. The next step is a GC/MS if I'm not mistaken and it takes days (weeks) to get the results. The whole scheme is ridiculous. If you are stopped at a posted traffic stop and the officer smells pot, he's going to search your passenger area. If he finds a roach or seeds or anything else, you're under arrest. There is no need for this other bullshit.

Traffic laws are a state prerogative. What is the basis for federal legislation? Maybe they should check hair. The metabolites can stay for a much longer time. Let's see you smoked some pot a year ago, today we're arresting you for driving under the influence. This will be a goldmine for frivolous criminal litigation.

The crazy thing about this is that maybe 20 or 30 percent of drivers particularly older ones are taking some sort of psychoactive pharmaceuticals. They're causing accidents all the time and it is never investigated.

[meow2u3]

12. You can beat hair tests

Traffic laws are a state prerogative. What is the basis for federal legislation? Maybe they should check hair. The metabolites can stay for a much longer time. Let's see you smoked some pot a year ago, today we're arresting you for driving under the influence. This will be a goldmine for frivolous criminal litigation.


Did you know you can beat drug tests which call for a piece of hair? There are products sold in salons which actually do strip hair of all medications. The best one is manufactured by KMS. I forgot what they call it, but it works great.

I sometimes use them to get the meds out of my hair before I dye my hair or get it permed.

[paritom]

3. I'm speechless

Another law made just to fill somebody's pockets.

[Reverend_Smitty]

4. That law will just bring us one step closer to a totalitarian police state

I don't smoke pot, nor have I ever but I would refuse to ever submit to a test like that!

[noonwitch]

15. I might, if the cop was holding the cup I had to pee in

Being female, this wouldn't be neat and tidy. It's even more fun if I'm on the rag and the cop is male.

[ronatchig]

5. Just searched

congress.org and found nada about it. But I will say one thing .
Fuck 'em.
Surely there is someone who realizes what crap this is . Things I was wanting to find out about this is who would pay for the testing. The motorist, The state, the feds.

I for one am about fed up with this piss nazi billshit.

[Trailrider1951]

6. WTF??? Cell phones cause more accidents,

Why not arrest those distracted drivers who can't quit yakking long enough park their miserable SUVs?

[Warpy]

7. Our privileges have been greatly expanded

since the New Deal has been dismantled.

It's now a privilege to have any job at all
It's now a privilege to raise your own kids
It's now a privilege to be able to retire
It's now a privilege to work full time and be paid enough to live on
It's now a privilege to get treatement when you get sick
It's now a privilege to vote to change things

Somehow, I think most of us would gladly sacrifice having these new privileges for having our rights.

[Crachet2004]

8. This will never happen. Why? The GOP smokes as much weed...

as anyone else, and probably does MORE cocaine-that being at least partly a money thing, you know? When they test for weed, they also test for cocaine, heroin and amphetimines. A lot of $2000 contributors to the GOP would get Limbaughed, is my guess. A surprise, random drug test of Congress, its aids and staffers, would leave Capitol Hill looking like a ghost town, the very next day!

[frylock]

9. more details..

Congressional Legislation

Zero Tolerance Drugged Driving Standard
Bill # H.R.3922

Original Sponsor:
Rob Portman (R-OH 2nd)

Cosponsor Total: 7
(last sponsor added 04/02/2004)
2 Democrats
5 Republicans


About This Legislation:
H.R. 3922, sponsored by Reps. Robert Portman (R-OH), Sander Levin (D-MI), Steven LaTourette (R-OH), Mark Souder (R-IN) and Jim Ramstad (R-MN), seeks to impose so-called "model" DUID legislation upon all 50 states - demanding they enact statutes sanctioning anyone who operates a motor vehicle "while any detectable amount of a controlled substance is present in the person's body, as measured in the person's blood, urine, saliva, or other bodily substance."

http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/bills/?bill=5384691

[Fovea]

11. Time to give up

poppy seed bagels and motrin...
both of which cause false positives on drug tests.

[tom_paine]

13. America underwent a Bloodless Totalitarian Coup, and became Amerika

That is what happened. Pure and simple.

Totalitarian Evil all around the world, especially Bushevik Soulmate Comrade Putin's Russia, which shows us pretty much what our own Empire is going be like in 5 years, is on the Rise.

It is still possible that the 21st Century will be the Age of Totalitarianism.

[Jokerman]

14. How much you wanna bet that Blacks & Latinos

will be forced to submit to these tests at much higher rate than white people.