An E-mail I received: Fw: Can Muslims Be Good Americans?

[Douglas Carpenter]

Please note: I am only posting this hateful diatribe to show what kind of craziness is absolutely endemic on the Internet at this time. Countless E-mails just like this are hitting in-boxes like this across America and around the world. I will not waist my time refuting any of the points - because they are just so absurd and are so eerily similar to other hate campaigns of the past.

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?



This is certainly 'food-for-thought'.

This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American?


This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:


Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia ..

Religiously - no.. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam . (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews .

Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.


Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . . .. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.


Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. ....

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

[Kerrytravelers]

1. So much stupid. Where to begin.

This isn't a Christian nation. We added "one nation under god" in 1954, so, by this "logic" anyone living prior to 1954 can not be a "good American", whatever that means.

[Turborama]

2. "The Koran has 25 different mentions of Jesus in that holy book, 25."

As Michael Moore http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=504400&mesg_id=504482">put it to Wolf Blitzer: "The Koran has 25 different mentions of Jesus in that holy book, 25. They consider Jesus a messenger of God."

To quote from a long chat with my Muslim brother in-law about this: "Muslims believe that there's The Old Testament, The New Testament and The Newer Testament (the Qur'an) and they are all equally revered".

[Rincewind]

3. Muslims worship

the same god that Jews and Christians worship, not some moon god.

[awoke_in_2003]

18. Yep, they all worship...

the same mythical being- and calling this imaginary being a moon god would be a compliment

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Return it with the subject: "Can Bigots Be Good Americans?"

[47of74]

8. And this in the body of the email...

[jhrobbins]

5. Well then, I certainly think someone should inform our young Muslim men and women

fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan about this-they need to know they can't be good Americans - desspite their service and sacrifice.

I wonder if the a-hole that is pushing this email around ever fought for this country (like so many of the Republican neo-cons that got us into these wars)?

[pinboy3niner]

6. You might simply send this in reply:

[yesphan]

11. Most Excellent

An excellent and touching response indeed. However, don't expect the sender of the email to get the irony. If it doesn't fit the mind set, it's disregarded, instantly and automatically.

[Wraith20878]

12. I was going to suggest that very picture

Glad you posted it though. On a more personal note, my dad was a doctor is the U.S. Navy, and one of his fellow doctors was a muslim from Saudi Arabia. He was a good doctor, a good American, and a good friend. He was in the Navy for 25 years.

[yurbud]

21. you could use the same argument to exclude Jews, Catholics, and Evangelical Christians

[Lasher]

7. Allah is Arabic for God.

Arabic-speaking Christians also use the world Allah to refer to God. If you love green beans but wouldn't be caught dead with hericots verts on your plate, then this moon god shit is for you.

The claim that Muslims actually believe in a moon deity is an oft-repeated, yet demonstrably false statement. In fact, the Quran says: "And of His portents are the night and the day and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or the moon; but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if it is in truth Him Whom ye worship." Quran 41:37

American Muslims are in fact vocal in their repudiation of terrorism, as are Muslims around the world. Here is a short list which is by no means exhaustive.

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

But it should be noted that Muslims in the United States are expected to condemn things that occurred in other countries. Imagine if American Christians had to apologize for the actions of Ugandan Christians. We don't expect that of Christians, or any other group, so why of Muslims?

http://mediamattersaction.org/emailchecker/200912010004

Can a Christian or Jew be loyal to American government if their primary allegiance is to God? Does believing in the Bible or the Torah make you a terrorist?

http://heliologue.com/2006/04/17/can-muslims-be-good-americans/

[Hatalles]

13. And here's a longer list.

Part I through Part V in the first section of this page link to a ton of other pages.

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslim_voices_against_extremism_and_terrorism_2/

[madrchsod]

9. it used to be the jews and judaism but now it`s the arabs and islam

right wing christians have to find someone to hate

[66 dmhlt]

10. Two great responses already to go for you ...

Both provided replies to this very email. One is from Media Matters:
http://mediamattersaction.org/emailchecker/200912010004

The other from a Diary that made the "Recommended List" at DailyKos - and it got 805 Tips:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/8/31/54824/4763

[Papagoose]

14. My uncle, a baptist lay minister, printed this and mailed it to me

I haven't been able to talk to him since then. He is sick, and I feel obligated to call, but he spouts this crap at me and I just don't feel right arguing with him. He has always been very good to me and stood by me like a father when my own dad was not able to. This whole anti-Muslim thing is really bothering me.

[KBlagburn]

15. If Democracy and Islam can not co-exist.........

the one can only assume the sender is against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? and against Bush for starting those wars?

[DavidDvorkin]

16. Can Christians be good Americans?

Not only is their allegiance to a mythical being, they also don't believe in democracy, preferring a feudal system with their mythical being at the top.

[awoke_in_2003]

17. The Constitution is based...

on biblical principles? Well, you can't fix stupid.

[Tutankhamun]

19. This email is a glaring example of psychological projection as a defense mechanism.

The writer of this transparent pile of hatred is guilty of everything he/she claims to demonize.

[Violet_Crumble]

20. OMG. There's so much Stupid in that email!

And hate. And meanness. I'm sure whoever came up with that rubbish would have felt very at home in 1930's Germany...