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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 04:58 PM
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Helen Thomas: Our heroes are human
http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/index.html?story=/mwt/broadsheet/2010/06/07/helen_thomas

Helen Thomas: Our heroes are human
The groundbreaking journalist's comments about Palestine are disappointing, but let's not make this her legacy
By Anna Clark

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Had Thomas retired a month ago, the news would have cued a celebration of her contributions to journalism. And let's be frank: These contributions are truly astonishing. In 1943, a year after she graduated from Wayne State University, she was hired by United Press International. So began a long trajectory of barrier breaking in the places where media and politics meet, places that are hardly welcoming to professional women. Thomas became the first female officer of the National Press Club -- which had been exclusively male for nearly a century -- and the first female officer of the White House Correspondents Association. She served as the WHCA's first female president in the mid-1970s. Thomas also helped persuade President Kennedy to sit out the press correspondent's dinner because women were not allowed to come. As well, Thomas plowed her way into the Gridiron Club, the oldest and most prestigious Washington journalism club, becoming its first female member and, later, its first female president.

But today, Thomas' career abruptly ends in what we are safe in assuming is a retirement not of her choosing. While I don't mean to be an apologist for her remarks about Jewish people, I must note one thing: Thomas has been working as a columnist, not reporter, for the last decade. So it isn't the fact that she's publicly editorializing on current news that is the problem here; her job is to have opinions. The uproar was inspired because people don't like her opinions.

I don't like how Thomas voiced her opinions in this video; it was sloppy and hurtful. But her views aren't exactly news; the gist of them are evident from her past columns. Meanwhile, Thomas joins a long line of opinion-makers who have uttered controversial, even despicable comments. Rush Limbaugh, anyone? Glenn Beck? Howard Stern? Sean Hannity? None of these voices seem to fear a forced retirement. What's different about Thomas? For one, she's old. For two, she's a woman. And while I won’t pretend this is a simple scenario where ageism and sexism are wholly to blame, it's hard to imagine that they aren’t factors at all.

Now, I'm afraid that this is the legacy Thomas will be left with: Because she wasn't perfect, she was terrible. In fact, of course, Thomas is neither perfect nor terrible. What she represents is that uncomfortable reminder that our heroes are not infallible. They are not everything we want them to be, no matter how much we pretend otherwise. Our heroes will disappoint, sometimes egregiously.

I hope Helen Thomas' accomplishments aren't diminished in light of her faults.
I also hope her accomplishments don't keep us from holding her accountable when she errs. Perhaps the greatest takeaway from this debacle might be the realization that, yes, people with significant failings can accomplish great things. Knowing this, we close the distance between ourselves and those we admire. Our heroes are not other; they are us. Rather than being a disappointment, this can open the door to what we might expect from ourselves. This can be a push toward our own great trailblazing, our own groundbreaking, our own achievements.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:00 PM
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1. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, babylonsister.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:02 PM
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2. KNR....n.t
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:04 PM
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3. #5
Thanks for this, BabylonSister. I'm learning to really look forward to clicking on your posts
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:04 PM
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4. "Helen Thomas: Our heroes are human"
And sometimes racist.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:11 PM
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8. There was nothing racist in what she said.
Perhaps she has a bit of an anti-Zionist streak in her, but she holds no contempt for the Jewish people as a whole.

Its so easy for people to twist a quote out of context...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:17 PM
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10. So you agree with her?
That Jews should be "get the hell out"?
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:25 PM
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11. Out of Palestine, maybe.
I don't think they should leave the land that they've occupied for so many generations.

But they could share it a little better. They have a Star of David on their friggin' flag for Christ sakes. Some secular state.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 06:52 PM
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18. Palestine doesn't exist.
Israelis don't live in Palestine, they live in Israel.

They did offer to "share" it but all they got was war in return.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:09 PM
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5. The last paragraph of your post says it all. Depending on how much we
like or dislike an individual can affect how willing we are to forgive and move on. By the same token, when you take others to task for their perceived flaws/weaknesses, don't be surprised when people hold you to the same standard.

Was it a gaffe? Probably. Was it heartfelt? Most assuredly. Much like Jimmy Breslin, Helen's legacy is now tainted. I'm as forgiving as the next person, but I don't want Helen's defenders to equate her with rightwingers. She was not a radio/teevee talking head, she was a respected journalist, and we expected so much more from her.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:09 PM
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6. With views like that, one, alas, stops being a hero...
Edited on Mon Jun-07-10 05:14 PM by Bumblebee
No one here -- I hope -- would still consider her a hero if she said that all blacks should go back to Africa or all Hispanics should go back to Latin America. Let's not pretend that this is very different, especially given the history of Jews in Germany and Eastern Europe. A hero? No longer in my book.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:29 PM
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13. Didn't she say 'or America ..... or anywhere else?'
Or was that part included by someone else. I've read two versions. I am quite positive she had no expectations Germany and Poland still have death camps waiting for Jews, gays, gypsies. handicapped persons or any of the other millions tortured and massacred.
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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:56 PM
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17. Not comparable
The blacks and Hispanics were not granted land that did not belong to them and was taken away from another group. She is still my hero.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:11 PM
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7. Having watched the changes in my very elderly parents and parents-in-law,
I don't think we can rule out a diminishing of faculties as possibly contributing to Ms. Thomas outburst.

I say this with no disrespect to her, her accomplishments, or the elderly. The fact is, there are significant changes that occur with age. For some, they come much later in life and allow a fruitful and productive life to continue for a very long time. But the changes come, eventually, for everyone.
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:12 PM
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9.  Helen will always be regarded as a treasure by people of discernment and integrity.
Heaven help all of us if we are to be judged only by our worst acts or our most insensitive words.

If memory serves, DU sent her roses several years ago in appreciation of her courage and integrity in the face of the Bush administration's attempts to control ALL of the media.

Is now a good time to repeat that gesture?
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:28 PM
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12. Hell, no. I contributed to her flowers then and was happy to do so.
Definitely not now.
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:37 PM
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14. Sorry you feel that way. nt
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:38 PM
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15. Ms. Thomas
Now, for the record, I am one that was pissed about her comments. I read the Guardian, The Independent, and other European papers, and I can tell you, one dip in the "comment" page shows you that there are many in Europe whose opinions on the Jews have not changed that much since 1933. I am not saying all Europeans are bigots, but anyone who thinks that they, who already have immigrations issues, would just welcome Israelis back, is naive.

However, if you make a world where anybody can be broken with one bad comment, you will do two things. One, you will ensure that anyone can be broken. No one will DARE stick their neck out and touch anything controversial. Two, you will ensure that all anyone has to do to shut you up is to say "I'm offended!" You ensure that any attempt at rational discourse is aborted, because people will get to lug primal emotions into it.

So, while Ms. Thomas disappointed me this time, I salute her for several years of doing what journalist should do. If there is any good, she will either get a show on MSNBC, or guest host the Rachel Maddow show.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:52 PM
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16. Helen Thomas was still one of the VERY FEW who asked the tough questions.
I would not be surprised to learn that the self-serving, M$M in this country was behind a lot of the outrage we've heard about her remarks. I don't endorse what she said, but I've heard a lot worse over the years, and not everyone has paid the price Helen Thomas paid.

Anyone remember Barack the Magic Negro?

Anyone remember about half of what Glenn Beck says on every show he does?

Ann Coulter suggesting a sitting SCOTUS Justice be given rat poison to get rid of him?

Those are OK, though... :eyes:
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 06:59 PM
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19. k&r. nt
Edited on Mon Jun-07-10 07:01 PM by awoke_in_2003
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