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Ed Barrow Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:22 PM
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Anti-Choice Woman-Hating Goes Mainstream
With this brief quote, the speaker, the Rev. John Ehrich, medical ethics director for the Diocese of Phoenix, deserves credit for achieving a twofer in a recently revived (if not formally declared) misogyny competition that is now sweeping the anti-choice world.

She consented in the murder of an unborn child. There are some situations where the mother may in fact die along with her child.

He is not only stating that a gravely ill woman (the mother of four children) should have been left to die, rather than being permitted an abortion; he is also explaining why Sister Mary Margaret McBride, the nun-administrator of a Catholic hospital who authorized the abortion (thereby saving the woman’s life) deserves to be excommunicated.

This case, which has received wide coverage in RH Reality Check and other media, has predictably stunned many people, across the abortion divide. Some have pointed out that the Phoenix diocese misinterpreted Catholic health care directives, and that abortion is permissible under these rules when a woman’s life is at stake. Others have made the common sense observation that if the woman had died, not only would her four children remain motherless, but the 11-week old fetus would not have survived either. Inevitably, some commented on the disparity between the nun’s swift excommunication and the fact that none of the identified pedophile priests have received such punishment.

But while the Phoenix case may cause the most jaw-dropping, with its undisguised preference for a woman’s death over an abortion, there are other recent instances that similarly suggest an upsurge of blatant woman-hating in the antiabortion world. Take the notorious Utah law passed earlier this year in response to the deeply sad case of a pregnant teenager who paid a stranger to beat her in the hope of inducing a miscarriage. (In spite of the severe beating that occurred, the pregnancy resulted in a live birth). Outraged that the male in question received a jail sentence but that there was no legal mechanism with which to charge the teen, a Utah legislator pushed through legislation that criminalizes the seeking of an illegal abortion, and which many observers believe has the practical effect of making all miscarriages in the state theoretically suspect. Had this law been in effect at the time of the incident described above, and had the fetus not survived, the desperate young woman could have received fifteen years to life. As the untroubled sponsor of the bill told a reporter, the young woman “has to face the consequences of her barbaric actions.” No one stopped to ask under what conditions she had gotten pregnant nor why she took such drastic measures.



http://www.truthout.org/anti-choice-woman-hating-goes-mainstream59831
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:30 PM
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1. The church's OFFICIAL stance is that the life of the baby takes priority over that of the mother.
Edited on Tue May-25-10 10:30 PM by BrklynLiberal
It is ACTUAL DOCTRINE...

Read it and weep...and puke...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=466936&mesg_id=467250

The only thing that matters is getting that baby out alive, long enough so it can be baptised.

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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:40 PM
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2. Yes, one of my Republican Catholic "friends"
accused me of being a baby killer because I'm pro choice. I told her that by that logic, she's a pedophile. You should have seen her head explode! It was a thing of beauty!:evilgrin:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:42 PM
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3. LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:52 PM
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4. Thanks, the devil made me do it!
That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it!
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:56 AM
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5. " Misogyny competition " is about right. Look at the hate in Oklahoma!
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 04:55 PM
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6.  I've kind of run out of things to say.
Actually I have a lot to say, but I question what good it would do.

I lost my mother to an "illegal" abortion when I was very young, and never once in my life have I grieved the loss of the fetus that died with her. I've never been curious about it, felt attachment to it, or considered my relationship to it. I have never cared about it, or thought of it in terms of a sentient being or its potential to become one. In fact, other than now and maybe once or twice in the past have I even thought about it in relationship to my mother's death. The laws against abortion, the way women were treated and the control society had over them, killed her . And it is only her death that haunts me and has permanently altered my life. Even to the medical examiner at the time, the fetus was incidental. There was maybe a sentence, two at the most, referencing it in the coroner's report. I believe it stated the gender, as a matter of fact - required data for the report, but that's it. And for the life of me, I don't recall what it said. It didn't matter. It meant nothing to me.

Oddly enough, back then the medical community, and especially women, seemed more enlightened, or wise, when it came to abortion. Even though women's behaviors were called into question, and women had few rights or reproductive choices, abortion seemed to be primarily about the woman. At least to those who cared. And there were a lot of people who did care, but who were restricted by law to help. It seems they didn't mourn the loss of the fetus or really even consider it much at all. Not in the way the religious, pro-birth fanatics do today.

I'm not sure if I'm making sense. Not really sure how to say it. But there is a frightening potential for matters to be far worse for women today, with person-hood claims and fetal life being valued over women's.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 05:57 PM
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7. This piece answers the question I've had since first reading this story...

DOES THIS WOMAN HAVE OTHER CHILDREN???



So now I'm informed of FOUR live births, whose continuing successful development depends heavily on her, being THROWN UNDER THE FUCKING BUS for an UNVIABLE fetus.

I do hope Catholics find a way to RECLAIM their church and THROW OUT their rotten-to-the-core, pedophile patriarchal hierarchy.
Their STENCH is OVERWHELMING.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:25 PM
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8. I was raised Catholic,
and even as a child in the 1950's, when abortions were mostly totally illegal in this country, I didn't understand why men who weren't married were allowed to tell women what do do with their bodies.

I also think it needs to be pointed out a whole lot more often that women aren't getting pregnant by themselves. More men need to have their feet held to the fire for their part in women getting pregnant.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 10:51 PM
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9. Yes. Perhaps we need a national DNA database of all men, then test the baby or fetus and find the
father. Then take appropriate action: child support, jail, etc.

Believe me, when a woman's pregnancy becomes a man's issue instead of a woman's issue, things will seriously change.
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Stargazer09 Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:07 PM
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10. Very sad
It really makes you wonder what women did to deserve so much hatred.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 11:53 AM
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11. Unfortunately, just by being female,
women attract such hatred.

It is much, much worse in Islamic countries.
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