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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:55 PM
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Orwell Watch: Democracy Being Linked to Socialism

Those who remember the sorry saga of the Iraq war no doubt recall the numerous, shifting explanations of why the US attacked an unprovoked invasion of a country that had no ability to mount an attack on the US. Once the canard of “weapons of mass destruction” was dismissed, one of the next set of bogus explanations was that Osama bin Laden was in cahoots with Sadaam Hussein. That was implausible on its face; bin Laden had tried to destabilize Iraq, and various leaks from intelligence sources disputed the Administration lies party line (see here and here for example). Bush eventually ‘fessed up that there was no connection between Iraq and al Quaeda.

But there was no risk in denying the myth at that point. Indeed, it turns out that our brains are wired so badly that mentioning two ideas as being connected, whether to claim they are linked or to deny it, serves to reinforce the belief that they ARE connected. Call it “the lady doth protest too much” effect. A 2007 Washington Post article explains:

The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently issued a flier to combat myths about the flu vaccine. It recited various commonly held views and labeled them either “true” or “false.” Among those identified as false were statements such as “The side effects are worse than the flu” and “Only older people need flu vaccine.”

When University of Michigan social psychologist Norbert Schwarz had volunteers read the CDC flier, however, he found that within 30 minutes, older people misremembered 28 percent of the false statements as true. Three days later, they remembered 40 percent of the myths as factual.

Younger people did better at first, but three days later they made as many errors as older people did after 30 minutes. Most troubling was that people of all ages now felt that the source of their false beliefs was the respected CDC.

The psychological insights yielded by the research, which has been confirmed in a number of peer-reviewed laboratory experiments, have broad implications for public policy. The conventional response to myths and urban legends is to counter bad information with accurate information. But the new psychological studies show that denials and clarifications, for all their intuitive appeal, can paradoxically contribute to the resiliency of popular myths.

Even worse, when an erroneous belief is confronted frontally, people still cling to it if it supports an outcome to which they are attached. For instance, surveys found that Republicans were much more likely than Democrats to believe in a Saddam-Osama connection, even after Bush had repudiated it. An article in Sociological Inquiry describes how survey participants who had believed in a Saddam-Osama connection responded when presented with information that the relationship did not exist, including the 2005 climbdown by Bush himself:

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 02:03 PM
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1. KR
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 02:37 PM
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2. A study was done by Anneburgh(I believe) and it was found also
that Fox News Viewers were the ones who made the most
mistakes on News facts. Fox News viewers believe the
Sadam-Osama connection. Fox News viewers believe Irag
was behind the bombing of Twin Towers. The list goes on.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 04:03 PM
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5. I remember heari;ng that, ironincally, it was the Jon Stewart watchers that were most
Edited on Sat Apr-03-10 04:03 PM by BrklynLiberal
accurately informed.

Of course, it could just be that those who are really interested in the truth, prefer Jon Stewart to any of the FAUX NOISE twits
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:56 PM
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11. It was the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) / Knowledge Networks poll.
Misperceptions, the Media, and the Iraq War.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 03:12 PM
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3. The sad thing is that today's youth would watch Starship Troopers and not see it as satire!
Since Fox News pretty much models itself after the "media" depicted on that spoof of a fascist state in the future.

But sadly I believe so many of the youth today haven't seen the media before Fox News, and can't appreciate the satire there...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz5iyEcIjbU&
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 03:17 PM
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4. This is one way reason as to why you shouldn't use negatives if you're trying to change or
break a bad habit.

Ie; I'm "not" going to smoke, I'm "not" afraid, I'm "not" gaining weight etc. etc. your subconscious mind works on a literal basis, and will focus on what you're trying to avoid, in stead of your desired goal.

You're better off giving it positive programming without the mention of the negative.

Someone once said the best defense is a good offense, this is why the so called "conservatives" and corporate supremacists need to be attacked on their ground.

What's conservative about trashing the planet as if there were no tomorrow?

If you just sit back and defend, you will lose little by little, a word here, another word there, then an ideal, then you lose the people.

Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Joanne.

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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 04:40 PM
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6. I've been kicking you all day Joanne
shouldn't hurt, it's the K&R kind of kick.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 05:37 PM
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7. Thanks
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 08:09 PM
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8. Joanne... your stuff is great
we have come a long way towards really perverting society. The relevancy here is that I work with the CDC and I have to go into neighborhoods all over the United States (and witness the mislead and crazy). I am presently working in rural North Carolina and I worry...
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dccrossman Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 08:16 PM
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9. K & R
We need to work on our Brainwashing skills to keep up.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 08:44 PM
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10. With the Republicans it should be easy.....................
Just keep tying together Republicans/Corporations, Republicans/the Rich, Republicans/dictators, Republicans/racists, Republicans/homophobes, Republicans/hatred for the middle class, etc.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:01 AM
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12. Democracy is linked to socialism.
You cannot have political democracy without some substantial degree of economic democracy. Dramatic economic inequality implies some degree of oligarchy, at best.
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