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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:24 PM
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Attorney's General suing over HCR .. if they win the only HCR possible is SINGLE PAYER!
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 03:46 PM by JohnWxy
Now THAT'S AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE I CAN LIVE WITH!

Keep in mind the current health care system using private sector insurers is going down. It can't continue. It will bring down the whole economy. Something has to be done to reform it. If we want the Denial of Coverage for Pre-Existing conditions to be prohibited AND you want to stay with private insurers you HAVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY IN THE FUCKING RISK POOL - i.e. Individual Mandate. If staying with private for profit insurers can't be done ( with the individual mandate unconstitutional) then , the only thing left would be SINGLE PAYER. WANT TO SUE? BRING IT ON!



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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:28 PM
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1. that would be acceptable.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:29 PM
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2. Expected consequences.
How soon can they file the papers?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:30 PM
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3. Sure would be a nice little fix for the problem! nt
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:55 PM
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4. If they win there will be no health care. Do you think they would not sue to stop
single payer on some trumped up constitutional ground?

The consequence of the having these states win is that there will be no health care.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:03 PM
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5. Somehow I doubt that.
There is way too much money to be made. Too much invested in equipment and infrastructure.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:07 PM
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6. We have the most expensive health care system in the world...
with gigantic profits.

These lawsuits are, in part, to maintain the status quo by keeping costs low by limiting patients and fees high.

The other purpose is to keep their base riled up at the evil, wicked, socialists in Congress and the Whitehouse. This isn't about health care, it is about maintain profits and returning the GOP to power.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:19 PM
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8. when the health insurance industry collapses you're right there will be NO HEALTH Care
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 04:20 PM by JohnWxy
for many millions more than the 46 million who now don't have health insurance, and who will be unable to pay for health care. We will be in an emergency situation. Just as with the Deregulation Disaster, action had to be take quickly to stop Wall Street from imploding. The collapse of the health insurance industry will demand immediate action. The nation will not have the luxury of time to discuss options.

THe most straight-forward and quickest action to take will be the very thing Alan Grayson is proposing with his expand MEdicare bill. We will have to let people buy into Medicare at cost, just as Grayson's bill sets forth. Becuase people will be without medical care and unable to afford it action will have to be taken and very quickly.

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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 05:15 PM
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9. I happen to agree with you about medicare, but the
truth reamins that Republcians oppose any health care. I think Grayson's idea is sound, but I don't think it can get through the Senate and short of some disastrous colapse of the Health Insurance system, I don't think it will get 216 votes in the House.

A major medicare expansion to all Americans is not limited in scope. Such a bill will not qualify for reconciliaiton. That path is limited to what can be done. Aditionally, it wipes out whole industries, quit possibly putting hundreds of thosands of people who work direclty for the Helath Insurance Industry out of work, and destroys the investments of everyone that owns their stock, which includes a lot of retirement funds.

It won't pass the Senate as things stand now. Perhaps, if the Health Insurance industry collapses it could, but I don't think that will happen. It will just go on as it is now, with high prices and astronomical profits while more and more Americans die without healthcare.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:13 PM
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7. When they lose, Single Payer is still the only real HCR.
Meanwhile, the anemic 'reform' passed is still good enough that it will likely to popular, and whet people's appetite for more.
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