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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:11 AM
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Cheech and Chong Don’t Live here Anymore
Cheech and Chong Don’t Live here Anymore
By David Glenn Cox


I recently read an article written by a psychologist about how he talked to his children about marijuana. What I found most entertaining in the article was its dependence on stereotypes. He writes, “And you already know I wrote a book with 'marijuana' in the title, so you’re aware that I’ve inhaled.”

“There are three kinds of marijuana smokers. Visitors, Regulars and Stoners."
Stoners, huh?

All my friends know the low rider
The low rider is a little higher
Low rider drives a little slower
Low rider is a real goer

I never wrote a book with marijuana in the title, but I could have. For more than twenty-five years of my life I smoked marijuana. In that time I never had an auto accident or a ticket. I never missed a house payment or lost a job. In fact I was promoted again and again. I bought and remodeled two houses and restored classic cars. What I grew tired of was the high prices and operating on someone else’s schedule. So I began to cultivate and removed myself from the market.

Growing, I figured my costs at about six dollars an ounce. During this time I lived next door to a very sweet elderly couple and it was a mutual admiration society. I admired them as an older couple being retired and devoted to each other. They looked at my young family and could remember when they had babies and toddlers playing in their back yard.

One day, during one of our neighborly chats, Hugh told me his wife Martha had been diagnosed with cancer and had to begin chemotherapy. As time progressed I could see the worry and anxiety grow across his face. The chemotherapy was killing his wife. He complained that he couldn’t get her to eat and that she was wasting away. My conscience began to hurt me; I had something in the house that might help that woman to ease her suffering. It would cost me no more than a birthday cake from Kroger to give it to her.

I didn't dare do it though, because if I did and it were perceived wrong or discovered by the authorities, I could lose everything. My job, my house, my freedom and my future. To this day I feel that what I did was wrong, but that my government forced me to live in a secret society. I was criminalized like a Nazi or a Communist because I smoked the wrong brand of cigarettes.

For the first century and a half in this country there was no such prohibition, and in that time we defeated the British King, conquered the prairie, built a trans-continental railroad. We created an industrial revolution, fought a civil war, invented the airplane and defeated the Kaiser, and throughout all of my historical readings I have never found one reference to America’s path being hindered the least little bit by smoking marijuana.

It is said that the prohibition of marijuana came about due to the demands of the paper, pharmaceutical and chemical industry to make it illegal. Those economic theories don't take into account the social aspect that the illegalization was rather a result of racism directed towards American immigrants of Mexican and African descent. It was also a direct response to the prohibition of alcohol. After Bible-thumping prohibitionists in their righteous and religious zeal managed to outlaw America’s most popular recreational drug, they took a very dim view of any other recreational drug that rose to the fore to replace it. They wanted it banned, shouting, “Not on my watch, buddy! The book's agin' it!”

Since the beginning of recorded history there is a history of recreational drug use. From the Pharaohs to the Caesars, drug use and sales were common. Rome grew rich from the sales of wine. In the nineteenth century the patent medicine business grew into a mass industry based on refined drug products which caused health and emotional problems and addictions. Yet you must ask yourself, were most of these problems caused by the drugs themselves or by ignorance about the drugs?

Opium and cocaine were common ingredients, but the products weren’t called Vicks Cough Syrup, Now With Opium! Or Red Bull, Now With Extra Cocaine! They were called Dr. Pendrake's Mystery Elixir. People became addicted to these products because they didn’t know any better, and what’s more the products worked. Old Abe Lincoln’s favorite remedy for his headaches was a steaming bowl of water with opium powder poured in. The President would breathe in the vapors with a towel over his head.

Today if Barack Obama were to try using the same treatment he would be out of the White House faster than you can say “Bill Clinton’s Intern.” On top of the legal stigma of recreational drug use is also a moral stigma that is new and was created right here in the good old USA. Recreational drug users are described and depicted in the media as defective people. In over two decades as a business manager I have dealt with employees with drug problems. Oh yes, I fully accept that people can get into trouble with recreational drugs. Some had a problem with their drug use, others just had problems and were medicating themselves with drugs. Eliminating the drug use in this group didn’t solve the problem; in some cases it made it worse.

Drugs can cause problems, but so can alcohol, cigarettes and even food. Imagine dragging people out of their houses in handcuffs. “That lousy fat slob was feeding ice cream to children! I hope they throw the book at him.” Obesity and childhood obesity is a major problem in America today, yet employers aren’t encouraged to hold random body fat screenings. There are no T-shirts or programs in schools like “Just say no to Dairy Queen.” One of the founders of the Dairy Queen empire died from a heart attack at an early age. Go figure.

For many years I played music and you would be surprised by the number of longhaired, hippie-looking rock musicians that didn’t smoke marijuana. You’d be even more surprised by the number of calm, sedate, middle class, hard working ministers, policemen, firemen, mechanics and just plain Joes and Janes that do. They are not defectives or people with problems. They aren’t child molesters or rapists. They are your neighbors, that nice man down the street or that sweet little old lady that brings cookies to the homeowners association meeting.

As for the visitors, regulars and stoners, I have known them all. The visitors might take a toke or two at a party. The regulars might smoke the whole joint. The stoners who the doctor described as folks "whose lives have slowed, and then stopped. For them, smoking weed results in gravity turning up -- it takes enormous effort for them to do anything, so they don’t. Ambition – even once fierce ambition -- evaporates and a creeping sadness replaces it.”

I have known them, as well, sitting on the couch all day eating Cheetos and watching TV or playing video games. Do you know what they were doing before they were smoking marijuana? They were sitting on the couch all day eating Cheetos and watching TV or playing video games. I have never known an ambitious person slowed by marijuana or a lazy person that developed new energy after smoking marijuana. It is more a symptom of the personality than a symptom of the drug.

The wheels of medical science turn slowly and sometimes turn backwards. Cigarette smoking does not cause tuberculosis and Dr. Kellogg’s corn flakes do not increase male potency. Such were the claims; swimming pools were once closed to prevent the spread of polio. During prohibition the hospitals were filled with those sick on bad liquor and the jails were full of junior hoodlums given a leg up into crime through bootlegging. America then tried a noble experiment. We left it up to individual citizens whether to consume alcohol or not, rather than making it a function of government.

Recently Joe Bageant wrote about American expatriate retirees living in Mexico. “An American never quite gets over the sight of half a dozen retired middle class seventy year olds in puffy white velcro strap tennis shoes, nonchalantly passing a fat bomber."

A study was recently published in Australia that warned “Young adults who used marijuana as teens were more likely than those who didn’t to develop schizophrenia and psychotic symptoms including hallucinations and delusions.

“This is the most convincing evidence yet that the earlier you use cannabis, the more likely you are to have symptoms of a psychotic illness,” said McGrath, a professor at the Queensland Brain Institute in Brisbane, Australia.

“Researchers in the study were looking for causes of schizophrenia, McGrath said. The researchers included 3,801 young adults who were born in Brisbane from 1981 to 1984. At the 21-year follow up, the participants, whose average age was about 20, were asked about marijuana use. The researchers also measured whether those in the study had psychotic symptoms.

"Of the 1,272 participants who had never used marijuana, 26, or 2 percent, were diagnosed with psychosis. Of the 322 people who had used marijuana for six or more years, 12, or 3.7 percent, were diagnosed with the illness. Overall, 65 people were diagnosed with psychosis, according to the study.”

If you look for it you will find it. You have a 1.2% chance of developing schizophrenia in Brisbane, Australia. This has been going on for so long that it grows tiresome. It is a known medical fact that most people who drink water die within seventy years and those who refrain from drinking water die quicker. Scientists found that if you sew a dime into a rat’s stomach, it will develop tumors. It proves conclusively that many scientists have way too much time on their hands.

What did I tell my children about marijuana? I told them that it’s something that adults do like drinking alcohol. I worried about them experimenting because I was more afraid that they did not have the skills needed to not get caught. My son told me about his friend getting busted with a pipe in the car and I slapped my forehead. Son, you never carry a pipe in a car, you roll a joint. “But that’s a waste,” he countered.

“So is getting busted.”

My son is a grown man now and he doesn’t smoke marijuana. He made that decision himself, not because Dad gave him lectures about, “My friend the doctor says,” or, "you could end up a stoner, a junkie or even worse, a Republican!" Dad told him it’s something that adults do to enjoy themselves, and when you get older you can make that decision for yourself.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 02:36 PM
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1. I believe you summed up the situation quite nicely.
I agree with the economic and racial motivations behind the genesis of the Marijuana Prohibition movement, but with Nixon and Reagen, I believed it morphed in to cold political power calculation as well.

I believe they viewed the "War on Drugs" as a means to increasingly alienate and/or disenfranchise the American People; particularly those people deemed not to share their corporate supremacist political ideology, from their government in order to further corporate/Republican domination over the people and in turn a weakened "We the People's" government.

How do you "shrink government to the point that you can drown it in a bathtub"?

I believe one way, is to have government wage war on it's own citizen's; freedom and privacy. A second way is to create a business model with a police force and prison system built on the idea of profiting from that domestic persecution.

The corporate supremacists by their rhetoric; demonizes the idea of government doing anything effectively or good on behalf of the American People and their draconian police state policies subliminally/emotionally reinforces that same message of government being the adversary of the people.

When the people are alienated/disenfranchised from this prostituted image of government and no longer visit; corporations are allowed easier access to sneak in the back alley door to present their bribery/lobbying gifts for returned blessings and favors cementing or increasing their domination over the people.

Thanks for the thread, Daveparts.:thumbsup:
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:27 PM
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2. Woman who framed Chong and put him in jail is running for Congress
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 03:28 PM by JPZenger
Mary Beth Buchanan, the woman who entrapped Tommy Chong's company into mailing bongs to PA and then put him in prison, is now running for Congress.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10049/1036744-454.stm

P.S. the article needs to be shortened to avoid copyright violations.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:51 PM
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3. Excellent article Dave.
Heartbreaking about your sweet neighbors. When my mom was dying of pancreatic cancer one of the few things that helped her eat and sleep was marijuana (slowly cooked in cream) in her tea. Almost 80, and was she nervous about it the first time! It helped her far more than the incredibly expensive prescription drugs.
I wish I liked it, I would use it to sleep and to help prevent cancer. But I don't like how it breaks my focus and gives me momentary time lapses. Just not worth it to me, at least now. If I ever get a disease that it eases, like MS or cancer, I'll change my mind in a heartbeat.
Maybe your son feels the same way I do about it. :hi:
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:37 AM
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4. I believe marijuana should be legal, taxed, and regulated for adults, however...
I disagree with the following statement:

"I have known them, as well, sitting on the couch all day eating Cheetos and watching TV or playing video games. Do you know what they were doing before they were smoking marijuana? They were sitting on the couch all day eating Cheetos and watching TV or playing video games. I have never known an ambitious person slowed by marijuana or a lazy person that developed new energy after smoking marijuana. It is more a symptom of the personality than a symptom of the drug."

Having worked with hundreds of teens with substance abuse problems, I have seen my share of perpetual couch potatoes, but I have also seen star athletes sabotage their place on the team due to excessive pot smoking, as well as "A" students risk their diplomas and choose marijuana over education. Some of them have turned to marijuana as a means of coping with the stress of demanding athletic and academic situations, and others have used marijuana to numb the pain of poverty and family conflicts. Heavy marijuana use at this young age prevents these teens from developing normal adult stress management skills; without THC to alleviate their emotional distress, they feel bored, anxious, depressed, irritable and miserable. So, they smoke weed, feel better, but don't care about missing practice, skipping class, falling behind in high school credits, etc. It's the only coping mechanism they've known since the onset of adolescence.

It's not black and white, it's shades of gray. It's a blend of personality, the family system, socioeconomic situation, and the effects of drug use.
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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 11:02 AM
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5. Dad told him
Edited on Fri Mar-12-10 11:03 AM by Daveparts still
it’s something that adults do to enjoy themselves, and when you get older you can make that decision.

I never advocated teens smoking Marijuana but this is the only nation in the Western world that has teens huffing toxic chemicals to get high. In Europe access to alcohol is easy and access to automobiles is hard.

If a teen wants to get high for what ever reason they will do it, the question is what will they do it with?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 01:52 PM
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9. My experience with friends and family and general observation, piles up
Edited on Fri Mar-12-10 01:52 PM by ooglymoogly
definitively on the side of the original poster. There are shades of grey of course in all things; But that does not make the exception in the overall picture the rule.
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 06:55 PM
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16. so are you suggesting my example is the exception?
My perspective, outlined above, is based on 20+ years working with teens as a licensed psychotherapist, the past 8 years specifically providing substance abuse treatment. I've worked with literally hundreds of adolescents, and, at the beginning of treatment, have assessed the impact of substance abuse on their functioning compared to their pre-addiction functioning. These assessments are standardized, evidence based measures.

Your perspective is anectdotal, based on observations (with an admitted bias) of a small number of marijuana using (adult?) people you have an emotional connection to.

Let me be clear: I am saying that the majority of adolescents who use marijuana regularly/heavily (say 4+ times a week) will have lower functioning, and impaired emotional and cognitive development compared to clean and sober or experimental users.

Do you dispute this as an "exception"?
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 11:30 AM
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6. I've had a prescription for marijuana for over two years now. I still
have about 3/4 oz from the last time I went to a dispensary about 8 months ago. I simply have no desire to smoke it anymore. It makes me cough and allows me to serenely think of the horror of things. Having said that, I still think it should be made legal. Too much money has been spent to go after people for such an innocuous drug.
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snort Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 01:19 PM
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8. I'll send you
a postage paid envelope.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 04:14 PM
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12. LOL
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 02:05 PM
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10. There are different characteristics of the many kinds of
the weed, usually broken into two categories for which it would take pages to explain. Some will bring out the paranoia and horror of life of your particular citation, magnifying perceived problems, sometimes, to scary proportions; Others act differently, to alleviate pain, and to smooth out the rough edges and make some of the more horrible illnesses bearable. If you are in need of this medicine, you need to do the research to see which is which. You have the wrong kind. I no longer smoke but remember it well. I did the research.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 04:31 PM
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13. Ha, Oogly. Oh, I used to smoke years ago. Even grew my own
in various different ways. On the old stuff I was pretty much an expert. Now, I have no idea...Anyway, after I got my prescription the first time, I went directly to store, which looked like an apartment in nice part of town. I go inside and they check id and buzz me through a door. I enter a small room with and L-shaped counter with glass shelves below and about six shelves behind and above. All shelves were filled with these huge masion jars of marijuana. A kid, maybe 18 comes out and asks me what I want. I said I want something relatively weak that might lessen my arthritis pain. He says, wow, no one every asked me for anything weak... I don't think any of this stuff is weak. But here's a good one, he said, lifting out a large jar. I said okay. I could seem the kid didn't know anything. I get home and light up pipe full. Jesus H. Christ, two draws and I could barely walk. I took the whole bag and traded to a friend for something weak. Next time I went to the store someone else waited on me. Same results. So, it just seems like a waste of money. If the pain gets bad, I just pop a Vicodin 750, and I don't have to worry about being loaded and have to do someting. Sure, you're right about the wrong kind...But getting the right kind might take some time.

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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 11:34 PM
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17. You might be senesitive to "hydro"
One of my "panel of experts" swears that hydroponic pot screws him up - and he's an "iron lung" otherwise.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 12:06 PM
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7. More reality and common sense from Dave n/t
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 05:25 PM
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14. Dave's not here, man. nt
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 06:40 PM
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15. Sorry, awoke...
But that bit's not about weed. It's about "reds" (Seconal, of the barbituate family, IIRC). I was so scared of ending up like that I never dared mess with pills - but my "panel of experts" tell me that's what was wrong with Skeeter when he was so messed he did'nt feel a cigarette burn through between his fingers. Or the college friend's mom who quietly OD'd on her coctails and prescribed "tranquilizers".
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 12:25 PM
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19. Oops...
it has been awhile, and I was rather young when I heard it :hi:
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:44 AM
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20. No worries
Long as you wer'nt doin' reds by the handful. Most of the OD's around here are from prescription medicines - particularly methadone.
Years ago, a friend of mine was hurt working in the woods - cut his scalp with a chainsaw, cracked vertebra... After 3 days home, he gathered up all his pain prescriotions and traded 'tm to his man for a big bag of weed "I hurt a little bit, but I know where the fuck I am, and sunshine from streetlights!"
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:33 PM
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21. pain pills are the worst...
my stepdaughter did a big battle with them after a pretty bad accident. After a while, the body seems to manufacture pain to get its fix- or so it seemed on her part.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 02:08 PM
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11. Beautiful post of a beautiful mind...wish I had seen it early enough to rec. nt
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 08:55 AM
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18. I suppose some experts could demonise my coffee. Some people get
blah blah blah. List your annoyance about the person. Get a study going, and pretty soon my coffee is a tool for harm.
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