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CrisisPapers Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:06 AM
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"The Hurt Locker": When Great Art Meets Lousy Politics
l Bernard Weiner l


I despise the implicit pro-Iraq War politics of "The Hurt Locker": There is no examination or even mention in the film of why the U.S. might be fighting there, no look at the neo-conservative ideology that sent our troops there, no questioning of the aggressive tactics aimed at Iraqi civilians, no overt politics at all, for that matter. But I cannot deny the movie's aesthetic power. It is a great film, one of the few war movies that really got into my gut. It well deserves its Best Picture Oscar.

It's possible that director Kathryn Bigelow made this film as a love-poem to the American troops abroad, but it works on so many other levels as well. In one sense, it's even possible to view it as an anti-war, pro-quick withdrawal movie.

In scene after scene, the U.S. troops in Iraq clearly are shown as an aggressive, swaggering army of occupation, which soon comes to realize that the Iraqis, almost all of them they meet, don't want the U.S. troops in their country. It would be easy to surmise that a good share of the violence in that country most likely will cease once the Americans leave.

"The Hurt Locker," in this interpretation, seems to be suggesting that the American troops are not just fighting the "insurgents" -- they seem to be waging war against huge chunks, perhaps close to a majority, of the Iraqi population that wants their country back. At least one can read that aspect of the film in such a way.

THE BOMB SQUAD

You know, or perhaps have heard, what "The Hurt Locker" is about: a unit of bomb-defusers go out every day to find IEDs (improvised explosive devices) that Iraqi "insurgent" forces have buried on or hidden next to the road down which U.S. convoys drive, or have secreted huge amounts of ordinance in the trunks of cars that can be detonated by cell-phones when American personnel pass by.

Wearing 100-lb. bomb-protection suits (in 100-degree weather in Iraq!), the bomb defuser's job is to locate the IEDs and render them harmless, or, if not, to blow them up in a way that will do no damage to U.S. forces. The bomb defusers sometimes die when things go wrong.

Given the dangers faced by this squad, there is no let-up in the tension. The least mistake and they're lying in pieces in the sand. My stomach was tied in knots for most of the movie, which I saw many months ago when the film opened here in San Francisco.

P.T.S.D. AND BOREDOM

I keep telling my wife (who doesn't want to see it) that the occasional violence in the movie is not the point of "The Hurt Locker."

What the movie really is about is how these gung-ho warriors deal with the tension and threats of destruction they face every moment they are in Iraq.

It's also about the adrenalin high they're on and what happens when these gung-ho warriors get back home and have to deal with the relative quiet of suburban peacetime. It's not a pretty picture and, like the lead character in the movie (played brilliantly by Jeremy Renner, who deserved an Oscar), many want to return to the war zone as soon as they can. That's the environment in which these warriors thrive.

DEFUSING RIGHT-WING CRITICS

I found director Kathryn Bigelow's remarks at the Oscar Awards ceremony a bit puzzling. She went out of her way at least twice to shower U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan with glory and praise. Methinks she doth protest too much. Why? I can only offer some reasonable speculation:

With its Best Picture award, there is no doubt that this small, independent film will be snapped up for widespread, mainstream exhibition in multiplexes around the country. There already had been a low-key, word-of-mouth campaign from the far-right to denigrate "The Hurt Locker" as insufficiently patriotic. Better to try to head that one off early, to get middle-American butts on the movie-house seats.

Perhaps that rightwing campaign was instigated after someone happened to read Bigelow's 2008 remarks about the movie, published in the Internet Movie Data Base:

"Perhaps just because I just came off The Hurt Locker and I'm thinking of the war and I think it's a deplorable situation. It's a great medium in which to speak about that," Bigelow said. "This is a war that cannot be won. Why are we sending troops over there? Well, the only medium I have, the only opportunity I have, is to use film. There will always be issues I care about." (emphasis supplied)

As suggested above, it seems clear to me that Bigelow wanted to show the reality of what U.S. troops face in Iraq, which she has done brilliantly, and her Best Director Oscar is well-earned. But she didn't want to bring overt politics into the movie. Now that the film is on the fast-track to financial mass-success, she's got to try to wrap the film in pro-military trappings to balance out her earlier questioning of the reasons for the war.

True, "The Hurt Locker" should have been made and released many years ago, long before the U.S. had started its slow withdrawal from active combat and maybe even from the country next year. But what makes the film so powerful is that what appears on the screen is of universal application to all wars and to all troops, of whatever nation, facing an enemy in deadly combat.

Certainly, the film can easily refer to U.S. behavior in Afghanistan, yet another misadventure in which American lives will be lost for a war that cannot be won.

ART VS. THE ARTIST

There is a larger issue, one I can only touch on briefly here: How should liberals/progressives react to brilliant works by artists who do not share their politics, indeed may be antagonistic to their politics? Is it OK to laud the work of art as art but to denounce the artist's underlying point of view?

Leni Riefenstahl's two films "Olympia" and "The Triumph of the Will," for example, in the 1930s and '40s, clearly were fascist propaganda films, the impact of which was to glorify the Nazi campaign to take over Europe. It's easy to dismiss those films on that ground, but one can't dismiss them aesthetically. They are brilliant works of art.

It's a generalization but I think based on some truth: Artists, in the main, being those who raise questions and push conventional envelopes, tend to congregate on the more liberal end of the spectrum.

But there are a goodly number of great artists on the right, many of them anti-Semitic or racist or colonialist in mentality. Does one dismiss or boycott or condemn their exceptional, exciting work because in their private life, the artists are biased and bigoted?

Is it possible, or even desirable, to separate the art from the artist?

Let's deal with that ticklish conundrum at another time. (Or you can get the discussion started by contacting me: >> crisispapers@hotmail.com <<). Right now, I urge you to hie yourself to the movie theater to check out "The Hurt Locker," one of the great war movies of all time. BW



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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:17 AM
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1. Implicit pro-war politics
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 10:18 AM by sharp_stick
in other words "I can't prove a fucking thing beyond this line so I've got to use the word implicit here"

Me thinks the author has no idea what soldiers are actually like. This movie is probably as real as you can get with bomb disposal.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:09 PM
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14. The movie is as far from real bomb disposal as one can get. Did
you not read the LA Times article where real bomb disposal experts said they laughed when they saw THL, one remarking the idiocy of disarming a bomb with a pair of wire cutters, explaining that would be like a "fireman going into a raging blaze with a squirt gun". I can't comment further on the movie because I didn't see it (and won't), but I have read a few of the criticisms of it by technical people.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:48 PM
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17. Or maybe not
"Colomer deactivated more than 150 bombs in Iraq as a Marine explosive ordnance disposal (EOD) technician in 2006 and 2007.

He says the movie's bomb-disposal scenes come as close as possible to portraying the incredible danger, tension and, yes, the fear that came with the job. "

http://abcnews.go.com/International/military-bomb-disposal-specialist-hurt-locker/story?id=9971330

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 09:47 PM
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30. There were major technical errors in THL and most other films for that matter
however, it rarely impacts the film, and it did not in this case either. It was not about how a the scene of a potential IED is controlled or how they are really defused, it was about the people. It was IMO a pretty good movie

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:37 AM
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2. There are So Many Reasons Why I Will Not See that Movie
and this summary does nothing to change that decision.

Take the title, which implies sadomasochism at best, torture at the worst. While I am not a complete pacifist, I am a mother and a woman, and I've been hurt enough and so has everyone I know. The purpose of family, society, and government is to prevent pain, not inflict it, to right wrongs, to equalize for the randomly unequal distributions. This film has nothing to say to that, except what a Miserable Failure our BushWorld is.

Take the topic: war, not for defense, but for Corporation. A crime against humanity in general, the Iraqis in particular. My neighbor down the street is Iraqi. She had the presence of mind (and money and pull) to get her family out--and she was a widow with young kids--during Saddam Hussein's reign of terror. Remember him, our old ally/puppet? When it's MY government doing the hurting, from installing an evil dictator, to embargoing food and medicine, to bombing the hell out of civilians, to contaminating large cities with radioactivity, no matter whether Democrats or GOP is in charge, then I'm not with it. I wouldn't watch a rape, either.

I'm sorry, that's not art. If it were a documentary to un-brainwash, to lead a revolt, that would be a different thing.

And I don't care if it's Independent or not.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:58 AM
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5. You both seem to think art has a responsibility to be politically partisan...
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 10:58 AM by Bicoastal
...which is probably the scariest thing I've ever heard.
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ironrooster Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 06:24 PM
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23. Demeter is merely expressing her opinion that art has consequences
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 06:26 PM by ironrooster
All art is political unless you hide it away. Once a work of art is shown to the public be it a film, a painting - whatever, it becomes a political act. Even a painting of a flower. By political - I mean that it is invariably politicized. The artist should be aware - I'm not talking omniscience here - but the artist must be aware of the potential of their work to be politicized given the context. If the artist understands that it is likely to be used in an overtly
political way - and then makes no effort to control the spin - this is acquiescence. I'm not saying that this is the case with Bigalow. So while, art
has no "reponsibility" per se to be politically partisan - the responsibility belongs to its creator.

edited for spelling
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:12 AM
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6. I can follow your logic - somewhat
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 11:14 AM by dbmk
But is staying away from art that depicts what it is wrong - purely because it is art - really the right answer?

Where I think your argument short curcuits is that you seem to say that art is not art when it takes place in a context or handles a topic you have issues with. Even if it supports your view.
An anti war poster cannot be art either?

That would rule out any movie/tv series with any sort of antagonist or antagonistic context. Can't watch a WWII war movie because Hitler was responsible for killing millions. Can't watch a love story that takes place during WWII either, because Hitler was responsible for killing millions. Can't watch CSI, because criminals do horrible things.

If it is just because you don't want to be reminded about what is wrong, fair enough. But you seem to equate the context of the movie with implicit approval of said context. And in this case it could not be more wrong.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:53 AM
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13. Your first statement had me thinking. You said...
... "But is staying away from art that depicts what it is wrong - purely because it is art - really the right answer?" I understand what you mean, and when I was younger I would see any art even if I already knew I wouldn't like it simply because it was art. Now that I am older, and have a shorter time left, I only go see movies that have a potential to entertain and please me. If it doesn't, I'm not interested...I'll walk right out of movies that disgust me. I did that with Inglorious Bastards right after the scene where the guy beat the German officer's head with a baseball bat. I'll never see another Taritino movie again, or one with Brad Pitt in it. Life is miserable enough without seeking out that which grosses you out. Perhaps I'm alone in that thinking. I'm sure it's completely alien to you.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 06:16 PM
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21. Is It Art, or Just Violence-Porn?
Art brings redemption and healing. Art makes change. Art is something you want to be around.
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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:13 AM
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7. I saw the Movie
and as war films go it is closer to John Wayne's Flying Leathernecks than Saving Private Ryan. Too much Ooh Rah, macho let's get drunk and fight.
War is hell, gosh darn it.

There is no other point in making a war film other than mindless violence but to illustrate the futility and insanity of war. Hollywood is an industry not an art form and winning an academy award is like winning the Heisman trophy you don't just win it by playing football.

"The Hurt Locker" was made for $15 million dollars and has barely made back it's cost of production. It's not a bad film but it won the Best Picture due to weak competition.

There was a war picture made that did not win the Best Picture Oscar it was only nominated for best screen play but didn't win. It has become iconic and is considered a classic film. all I have to say is "Me love you long time" and you know the picture as Full Metal Jacket. There is a scene in FMJ where Private Joker writing for Stars and Stripes questions his editor.

"Joker you know we only do two kinds of stories here. Stories about grunts who give up half their pay to buy the Vietnamese toothbrushes and deodorant and stories that end with a Viet Cong body count"

That's "The Hurt Locker" in a nut shell
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:19 AM
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8. Saving Private Ryan?
Are you saying that the Hurt Locker glorfies war compared to Saving Private Ryan?

A movie filled with heroic characters compared to one that has none?
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:43 AM
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10. Excellent post. I will not see it either. Long ago, I was in a war where
the US went in by mistake, then accidentally killed and terrorized the population. I have no interest in watching people diffuse bombs in a country they never should be in to begin with. I will be interested to see how many people go see the movie now. I know no one who has seen it, let along heard of it, except for its unusual pick for best picture in the Oscars.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:26 PM
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16. Let me post a blatant spoiler
The movie is not exactly about how awesome they are at diffusing bombs.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 04:18 PM
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19. It's Extremely Dangerous To Be As Close-Minded As You Are.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 06:18 PM
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22. Judgmental, Not Closed Minded
It's porn for the violent. It's not art. Tribute to the troops would be peace and medical care and rehab, and no more wars. Wars for illegal gains cannot constitute art.

Porn degrades people. It doesn't make them better at anything.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 09:26 PM
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28. No, You Can't JUDGE It, Because You Won't SEE It
You're close-minded.

You don't have the slightest clue what this movie is about.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 04:10 AM
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34. Didn't know
..that Kathryn Bigelow had started a war for illegal gains.

For one that has decided not to see it, you seem more than ready to judge what it is.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:38 AM
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3. Uh, I watched the movie and it wasn't pro-war by any means
In fact the rotten tomatoes show on current said it was a war movie for people that didn't like war movies.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:50 AM
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4. I don't get it
He starts out with "I despise the implicit pro-Iraq War politics of 'The Hurt Locker'".

And then makes a long case for why it is not. His only argument for it is that it does not take on the politics of the context at all. As an argument for the specific war it is neither pro or con. Which is apparently the same as being pro.

If anything it is an anti-war war movie - in the same line as movies like Stalingrad and The Thin Red Line.

From there it becomes a mess of random thoughts not terribly afflicted or connected by logic - based on his initial idea that the movie only has aesthetic qualities.

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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:05 PM
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15. I'm glad I'm not the only one....
....who thought the blogger contradicted themself.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:36 AM
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9. No offense, but did you even watch the movie?
The movie if anything was a rather brilliant (with some acting caveats) piece of celluloid on how war victimizes both: the soldiers who fight it, and the civilians who suffer it.

The movie portraits how damaged and dysfunctional the life of the main character becomes, how you can extract a "pro-war" stance from that leads me to believe you were more interested in a pre fab narrative, regardless of facts.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:46 AM
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11. Ironic, because Cavuto from Faux was all whiney because "Hollywood values win again"
with the Hurt Locker winning the Oscar...
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Indepatriot Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:52 AM
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12. One Mans' "Implicit" .........
I see THL as very much anti-iraq war. The confusion,senseless violence, and lack of a clearly-defined "enemy" all contribute to the tension and futility in a way that to me, is unmistakably anti-war. I'm as anti-violent, war is the LAST option, turn the other cheek as anyone you'll find, but THL had me yelling "shoot that f*cker!" every time they got in a dicey situation .... I don't even want to think what I might do if put in those situations... I think it brilliantly illustrates the no-win situation our troops are in over there, and the political side has been argued over for 7 long years. I think THL would have been half the film it is if they got heavy-handed with the politics. P.S.... I've always felt the "meaning" of art to be exactly what the viewer/listener takes from it, regardless of the artist's intent, so I'm certainly not refuting your take, just adding mine. Peace.
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imnKOgnito Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 09:51 PM
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31. I concur
While not being overtly political either to the left or the right, in my opinion, the movie still portrayed the senselessness of the current situation. Some might mistake the hero's bravado (which is simply his coping mechanism) as being pro-war, but by the end we see him for the tragic, sub-human creature he's become while understanding it wouldn't take much for any one of us to become that.

I also think the scenes involving the mercenaries and the plight they put everyone in to be quite telling. While not explicitly passing judgement on them, it's easy to draw the correlation between their cocky ineptness and the shitstorm it brings down. The subtle fact that the merc's that remained alive drank all of the water while the soldiers were up top baking in the sun and giving them cover (as evidenced by all the emtpies on the ground) hit me good.

While I wouldn't call "The Hurt Locker" a GREAT film, it was certainly a good one, and not in any way pro-war to my eyes.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 04:16 PM
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18. The Sole Aim Of the Hurt Locker Was To Focus On One Specific Dangerous Task
and the kind of man who performs it. Anyone who wants to put their political stamp on the movie is free to do so, but the movie was intentionally neutral about the war...which is WHY both sides are able to claim it, or reject it.

That being said, it's an incredibly overrated piece of filmmaking. Decent movie? Sure. Best picture? Ludicrous. At least three of the other nominees deserved the award more (I only saw six), including Avatar for its groundbreaking technology alone.

Whatever you think of the plot or the script, Avatar advanced the art of making movies. The Hurt Locker was a small character study which failed to completely find the character.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 06:45 PM
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24. I agree with much of what you say but wish to point out
That it is hard for a real war movie to find "the character" when the characters of war are often blown up.

Haven't seen the movie yet, but have heard that no matter which characters you decide to get attached to in the film, they get blown up.

And I am glad that it won - even though like you say, "Avatar" might be the better picture.

It is time that we stop putting the political issues that confront us on the back burner. Maybe it is poetic justice that just this once, some real issues are brought to the forefront.

There will always be an "Avatatr" or "Titanic" or a "Lord of the Rings" series that is lavish and well produced, but whose themes do not demand human consideration. I mean, whether the audience likes Sauron or not, we cannot do a thing about his take over of the Shire.

But since an Academy Award encourages people to see a film, maybe this will get people to watch the film, to think. And then to discuss.

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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 09:24 PM
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27. The Point Is, the Hurt Locker Was In No Way a Political Movie
If people voted for it because they liked its "message", then they didn't get it.

The Hurt Locker was not about Iraq. It wasn't even about war. It was about how a man dealt with an incredibly dangerous job, and what that job did to him and for him. The war was just a backdrop. That was one of the things that was GOOD about it. It was in no way a "message" movie, and didn't pretend to be. It was a character study.

Anyone ascribing a political message to this movie is bringing their own baggage to the party. And I would hate to see Avatar loose because some people thought voting for Hurt Locker sends a message that war is bad. Certainly, in the grand scheme of things, it makes very little difference to me which movie wins Best Picture. But it does annoy me when people vote for ANYTHING for the wrong reasons. And there's a "message" THERE, certainly.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 09:38 PM
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29. Those are all good things to know.
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 09:39 PM by truedelphi
I don't know that much about the movie, though I have liked its director for years.

I haven't seen the movie yet, and will consider everything you say should I indeed go to watch it.

On the other hand, it may be far too violent for me - I couldn't even handle watching the "Deer hunter" back in its day. With ticket prices as high as they are, I'M NOT about to go to a film I might walk out of.

You make some very good points, and I will consider them further should I see it.

(Pls don't take my not watching violent films as criticizing those who make them. I am very unable to handle film depictions of violence. And see no reason to have sleepless nioghts for the sake of a film.)
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:50 PM
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33. Despite the Subject Matter, I Didn't Find Hurt Locker Especially Violent
Although, of course, there are a few violent scenes, as well as a few gory ones. However, compared to, say, Inglorious Basterds (which I do NOT recommend you see, although I thought it was better than either Avatar OR Hurt Locker), it was fairly tame.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 07:27 AM
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37. And Avatar got the Oscars for it.
But as a complete movie it lacked hard in almost every other aspect. Paperthin characters and story. I didn't come out thinking it was a good movie - but that the 3D effect rocked.

To me The Hurt Locker was a way more powerful experience of what movies can be and do.

The Hurt Locker is indeed neutral about _the_ war. But not neutral about war - or this type of war either.

The opressive atmosphere of working not only the insanely dangerous job of bomb disposal, but doing it in the hostile environment of being an occupier, clearly plays in.

That being said, I would not have complained if Inglorious Basterds had won. The lynchpin of that experience was deservedly rewarded for it.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 05:54 PM
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20. "Birth of a Nation" was a tremendous work of art
amazing battle scenes, the long-story format, new editing and camera shooting techniques; it was D.W. Griffith's masterpiece.
It also had the most horrifying glorification of the Ku Klux Klan I have ever seen. The politics are abominable, yet the movie is remarkable. Sometimes you can separate the film's political content from its artistic value.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 05:15 AM
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35. That's the first movie that came tomy mind
It is an amazing technical achievement.
It's racism is appalling

It's interesting since another of his great works was Intolerance
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 06:46 PM
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25. Interesting question
I generally think of right wing "art" as being pure crap. But perhaps that's just my ideological bias showing.

On the other hand I can't quite think of what it would mean to have "art" wrapped up with a right wing political message. It seems to me that that would kind of destroy any value that the "art" might have. I guess I'm kind of with Demeter on that.

In other words, I guess I kind of feel that right wing "art" is an oxymoron. But I can't quite think of how to defend that statement intellectually. I do know, though, that I have never experienced any right wing "comedy" that I actually thought was funny.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 05:18 AM
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36. Birth of a Nation
If you can find this one it's an amazing movie -- deplorably racist, but still amazing to watch
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 09:09 PM
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26. Soldiers are victims of the powers that invent these wars too. It is time we stop glorifying
service in corrupt enterprises. Killing on demand is not intrinsically honorable, and while I don't doubt the genuine patriotism that causes them to sacrifice so much, great sacrifices toward bad ends are just a futile waste of people. Buying into that glory thing just cons another generation into becoming cannon fodder for powerful interests who manifestly don't give a damn about them. These are good brave people enabling bad policy and the next generation needs the warning. You can be part of something bigger than yourselves, AND achieve an honorable end by joining the peace movement.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:56 PM
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32. Oh, don't worry, American troops will be out of Iraq all right,
the day after the last drop of oil is extracted from the sand.
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