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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 08:52 AM
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Joseph Stiglitz: The Great American Bank Robbery
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W. W. Norton & Company / By Joseph Stiglitz

The Great American Bank Robbery
How did the big banks nearly take down the entire economy and still continue to profit? Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz explains.

February 27, 2010 |


The following is Part I of a two-part excerpt from Freefall: America, Free Markets, and the Sinking of the World Economy by Joseph Stiglitz ( W.W. Norton & Co., 2010).

Bankruptcy is a key feature of capitalism. Firms sometimes are unable to repay what they owe creditors. Financial reorganization has become a fact of life in many industries. The United States is lucky in having a particularly effective way of giving firms a fresh start—Chapter 11 of the bankruptcy code, which has been used repeatedly, for example, by the airlines. Airplanes keep flying; jobs and assets are preserved. Shareholders typically lose everything, and bondholders become the new shareholders. Under new management, and without the burden of debt, the airline can go on. The government plays a limited role in these restructurings: bankruptcy courts make sure that all creditors are treated fairly and that management doesn't steal the assets of the firm for its own benefits.

Banks differ in one respect: the government has a stake because it insures deposits....The reason the government insures deposits is to preserve the stability of the financial system, which is important to preserving the stability of the economy. But if a bank gets into trouble, the basic procedure should be the same: shareholders lose everything; bondholders become the new shareholders. Often, the value of the bonds is sufficiently great that that is all that needs to be done. For instance, at the time of the bailout, Citibank, the largest American bank, with assets of $2 trillion, had some $350 billion of long-term bonds. Because there are no obligatory payments with equity, if there had been a debt-to-equity conversion, the bank wouldn’t have had to pay the billions and billions of dollars of interest on these bonds. Not having to pay out the billions of dollars of interest puts the bank in much better stead. In such an instance, the role of the government is little different from the oversight role the government plays in the bankruptcy of an ordinary firm.

Sometimes, though, the bank has been so badly managed that what is owed to depositors is greater than the assets of the bank. (This was the case for many of the banks in the savings and loan debacle in the late 1980s and in the current crisis.) Then the government has to come in to honor its commitments to depositors. The government becomes, in effect, the (possibly partial) owner, though typically it tries to sell the bank as soon as it can or find someone to take it over. Because the bankrupt bank has liabilities greater than its assets, the government typically has to pay the acquiring bank to do this, in effect filling the hole in the balance sheet. This process is called conservatorship. Usually the switch in ownership is so seamless that depositors and other customers wouldn't even know that something had happened unless they read about it in the press. Occasionally, when an appropriate suitor can’t be found quickly, the government runs the bank for a while. (The opponents of conservatorship tried to tarnish this traditional approach by calling it nationalization. Obama suggested that this wasn’t the American way. But he was wrong: conservatorship, including the possibility of temporary government ownership when all else failed, was the traditional approach; the massive government gifts to banks were what was unprecedented. Since even the banks that were taken over by the government were always eventually sold, some suggested that the process be called preprivatization.) ..............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/economy/145774/the_great_american_bank_robbery




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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 08:54 AM
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1. K&R
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:12 AM
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2. History will look back on this administration with a very jaundiced eye
over the missed opportunity to deal with the abuses through re-regulation and also for their utter failure to hold the individuals and entities responsible to account for their behavior.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:57 AM
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3. The money was lent to the banks by BUSH ....
not this administration.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:08 AM
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4. This administration held almost no one accountable
and isn't likely to get meaningful reforms through. The don't even support a financial transactions & Tobin tax, by which the banksters will pay something back for the devastation they've caused (while at the same time discouraging excessive speculation).

Even Bush I dealt with the S&L debacle more effectively through prosecutions and the Resolution Trust Corporation.

And that's how history will view it. Another major black mark- right alongside the torturers...

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:54 AM
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5. They remind me of a retired cop friend of mine.
In 25 years, he made 3 arrests, and the last one was because he (the cop)was stuck in traffic, and couldn't get out of it.

We managed to get Bernie Madoff, when he turned himself in.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:26 PM
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7. The Bush agreement held no-one accountable.
Obama could not do so after the fact.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 05:19 PM
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14. Those are simply false statements of fact
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 05:20 PM by depakid
Admittedly, the truth sucks in this situation.

You can read about the basics of the RTC here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Trust_Corporation

William K. Blacks talks about the parallels (and the non-parallels here: http://kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansascity/stories/2009/11/16/focus12.html
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 07:13 PM
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16. Dodd to unveil financial regulation bill
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/82029-dodd-to-unveil-financial-regulation-bill

Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) aims next week to unveil legislation to overhaul the financial industry.

While the House passed legislation in December with major new regulations of financial markets, action in the Senate has been bogged down for the last year in disputes between Democrats and Republicans.

Dodd aims to hold a markup of the financial legislation the week after next, his spokeswoman said.

The most contentious aspect of the overhaul has been an Obama administration proposal to create a new federal regulatory agency for consumer financial products. The House passed legislation creating the Consumer Financial Protection Agency (CFPA), which would regulate products such as home loans, credit cards and payday loans.

The financial industry has lobbied aggressively against the proposal and Republicans in the House and Senate are unanimously opposed to a freestanding agency. They argue it would it be a cumbersome imposition that would increase costs for consumers and limit their access to credit.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:11 PM
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17. Wait for the refrain: "it doesn't have the votes" in the Senate
Hate to say it (much less think it) but what results won't likely be any different than the meager provisions in the credit card legislation- which caused Durbin to lash out in disgust that "they own the place."

I fully expect a reprise of the mortgage cramdown- sensible, much needed policy, meekly supported by the whitehouse, and thereby doomed to fail.

Hope I'm wrong, but that seems to be the pattern.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:00 PM
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18. I thought Obama (the WH) held a HCR summit.
Meek?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:58 PM
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19. Meek as a church mouse
Strong determined leadership would have associated the opposition with insurance company abuses from the outset- rather than allowing themselves (and ow their party) to be associated with it.

Had they done so- with all of their political capital and momentum at the time, we would have had this done- with a robust public option by August.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 11:32 PM
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20. You are wrong.
It was delayed because of the committee of one bluedog.
The house and the senate are responsible for bills.
Bill Clinton got involved and it failed.
Obama was involved behind the scenes and bills passed both the house and the senate.
The first time in, what, 40 years.
And you call that meek?

You know, the problem in this country and in South Africa where I grew up, was that the public supported politicians that demonstrated "kragdadigheid". I think it time that people grow up and not look for authoritarianism (parents) in their lives. Objectives can be achieved in other ways. So far, Obama and his crew have gotten very far along the way, where the previous presidents had not ---- for a long time.

"Among South Africa's Afrikaner politicians, it is axiomatic that kragdadigheid, a show of strength, wins elections. With that strategy in mind, the National Party government of State President P.W. Botha has been preparing for the May 6 whites-only parliamentary elections by pouring on just about as much kragdadigheid as the country can bear. His government last week was threatening to strike at neighboring countries that might be harboring anti- Pretoria guerrillas and was attempting to enforce harsh new regulations against opposition demonstrations at home."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964204,00.html#ixzz0gnlS5wS1

Yep, I think Bush learned from the Apartheid government, and pliant, meek people now come to expect it.






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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:22 PM
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6. Obama gave them more than half the money
and backed up the FED in giving them massive loan guarantees at 0% interest, so they could then loan that same money back to the government at higher interest.

If they get massive loans at 0% and loan it to the government at 3%, they are guaranteed to make a profit, and that is just another form of off the books subsidy. That one is courtesy of THIS administration.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:27 PM
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8. I thought the Govt make a profit from TARP.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 05:07 PM
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13. The government did make a profit.
The banks made a Bigger profit. :(
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:51 PM
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12. The banks still must be
re-regulated or we will have this bullshit all over again.

Is Obama taking the same approach to regulating the financial services industry that he did with the public option? I want leadership in a president.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 01:04 AM
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22. good luck with that
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:06 PM
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9. the Democrats came into office with the vampired staked in the heart and laying in the sun
they pulled out the stake, dragged him back into the shade, and gave him a straw connected to an endless supply of blood (our treasury) which means that some part of our tax dollars will be used to fight progressive candidates and causes.

Thanks, Democrats!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:48 PM
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11. I'm looking at them 'right now' with a jaundiced eye.
My eye would clear up if OBAMA would push for real regulation to prevent these abuses in the future. He has paid a little lip service but his "push" is about equal to his advocacy of the public option.

I see this regulation as more serious than HCR. For me to support Obama in 2012 I must see reform.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:02 PM
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10. Joseph Stiglitz makes a lot of sense.
Thanks for the thread, marmar.
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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 06:14 PM
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15. Yes banks have gotten away with murder, for the reason that Dick Durbin said
"they own the joint". There are not nearly enough elected officials with the fortitude to stand up to special interests, for one very good reason, they have been chosen for that position.
The election process starts with big money special interests deciding who is malleable enough for them to agree to fund. NO funding from big money special interests, no one knows who the heck you are in the primary, were money is even more important than in the general election. The media pays very little attention to primary's and so most of the voters information is from 30 sec adds.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 11:33 PM
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21. primaries not primary's.
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