There is no excuse for the United States of America because if there was

[stopschoolpaddling]

I would not have to sign a piece of paper to ensure my
children were not beaten with a large wooden object by
government employees hired to educate our children in some
parts of our country.
AND
A principal would not have told me today that it was legal for
her to hit any of my children with her long wooden weapon
without my consent or notification in the state of Arkansas
and the only reason she was would ask permission to inflict
child abuse whenever she saw fit was because the school board
thought it was better to ask the parents if it was okay if
they beat the shit out of their child ahead of time to reduce
the amount of lawsuits that would happen after the parents
actually found out what they had agreed to. Not that they were
afraid they would lose, the law is obviously in their favor
but the costs they would incur to defend the right to beat
children might have taken away from their already limited
budget. 
And while you're at it, try to give me a logical reason why I
should ever allow my children to respect anyone who commits
acts that would put them in jail in another state? 
 After that tell me why I have no right to object to my
children being alone with someone who would be a criminal in
one state and a principal in another? 
     I said "It's hardly personal but I would never allow
any of my children to be alone in a room with someone who was
"EVEN CAPABLE OF PERFORMING THE ACT OF CORPORAL
PUNISHMENT EVEN ONCE BECAUSE THERE IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING
SERIOUSLY MENTALLY WRONG WITH YOU"!!!   
Now please if you are up to it, you tell me, right now, how
anyone in their right mind can call us a CIVILIZED NATION.  Go
ahead and try.  

[brooklynite]

1. Unrec'd

Sorry, but you can complain about your School District, or perhaps your State, but I don't see how you make a judgment about the entire nation based on this instance.

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[paulsby]

4. the post begs questions

it assumes that corporal punishment IS child abuse.

it isn't imo and it's a matter of opinion.

hth

[stopschoolpaddling]

6. If it's not child abuse then bend over and let me get a sumo wrestler to whip your ass

with a long wooden object and see how you like it? Or are you saying it's not abuse if the victim is a child?

[paulsby]

7. i'm saying that like many things in life

context and extent matter

as a matter of law, in my state, it is not child abuse.

my opinion in this matter happens to be in line with the law.

age of course is very relevant. if a parent locks a kid in their room for an hour, that's discipline.

if an adult does it to another adult, that's unlawful imprisonment

hth

i had a case recently where a 17 yr old girl called her mom a "c * n t" (you can guess what the middle letter was)

she slapped the girl right across the kisser. kid called the police as little whiners tend to do. legal? yes. child abuse? no

interestingly. i had nearly the exact same thing happen with a mom and her 18 yr old daughter. she went to jail courtesy of my police car. with an adult, it's assault.

is that arbitrary? sure. so are age of consent laws.

but spanking a kid in the buttocks or hitting them with a wooden object, as long as it is not done to the extent that it creates bruising or other beyond transient marks/pain is not child abuse according to the law, and according to my opinion.

many others have a different Pov.

[havocmom]

8. Calling a fellow DUer 'a complete idiot' is abusive and against rules around here

So, it's OK for some to abuse, ahem, but the whole nation sucks because some school authorities and you don't see eye to eye?

OK. That crap is easy to smell.

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

3. Show us some ink

on this. Without meaningful substantiation, this looks like a cut and pasted email from a Nigerian Prince.

[stopschoolpaddling]

5. What kind of ink?

Show us some ink
Posted by PetrusMonsFormicarum


on this. Without meaningful substantiation, this looks like a cut and pasted email from a Nigerian Prince.

Everything I say it true. I just had a conversation today with the principle of my children's school,2:30 pm this afternoon, in which I asked that in the unlikely event that any of my children would have to meet with her, I would need to be present given the capability of her nature. She said she would not contact me and I said I would take it up with the superintendent and beyond and beyond that. That being true, I still don't see how we can call ourselves civilized while the beating of children is still legal. You would think President Obama might address it since the beating "whipping" of humans originated in slavery and till this day the majority of children beaten in public schools are african american. Personally, all children, all colors, would be safe from harm in a civilized nation. What that tells me is that up till now our power only lies in our power to intimate and inflict fear and pain on others just like some public school officials are still doing without reproach.

[FLyellowdog]

11. Is it the principle of the thing that bothers you or the principal of the school?

Just asking...

[ChicagoSuz219]

10. Hey, watch it!

You're talking about my fiance now! LOL

[proteus_lives]

9. Troll.......

[winyanstaz]

12. K & R......well said and I agree 100 percent....

NO one has the right to beat any child..that is totally barbaric and bullshit.
An adult that isnt capable of getting a kid to mind without beating the crap out of them should NOT be allowed to teach children.

[mbperrin]

13. 21 states still use corporal punishment, in spite of the fact that it does

not work, in that it does not achieve its desired end - to change a particular behavior into a good one.

It does, however, satisfy the lust for violence and humiliation that this country was founded upon. Never forget that the Puritans were an extreme minority in their home country, a splinter group, which turned into the majority culture in this one. Their views are easily found in sermons like "Sinner in the hands of an angry God."

I've been in education 3 decades, don't use corporal punishment, won't allow it to be used on any child under my care and control. It IS cruel, and it doesn't work. How could it? Here's a small child, who commits some horrible act like, gosh, not paying attention during the most boring lesson in the world on subject-verb-object. The horror! So now we take the 4 foot tall 8 year old out of the classroom, down to a perfect stranger who is 50% taller, 400% heavier, wielding a large club. This stranger now hits you with the club, warning you in the future to like subject-verb-object lessons. No doubt you will love that subject now! Associated with pain and humiliation, what's not to like?

So if you are an adult about 5'8" and 200 pounds, your punisher would be 8'6" tall and weigh 800 pounds, wielding a club equal to 3/4 of your height, or about 4 and a half feet long, striking you with it to make you love something. I dare anyone to say that this educational or useful. Even Romans BC knew corporal punishment didn't work, BECAUSE it was cruel. It is destructive of the bond between child and parent. The child has every right to expect that a parent will protect them, not deliver them into pain and danger.

I have never struck any of my own children, and let's see: one is a teacher with grandchildren of his own; the second is a psychologist who works with prisoners; and the third is near the end of his second hitch in the air force, working in supply and logistics. None of them has ever been arrested, and they all support themselves and their families financially.

Or you have Henry Lee Lucas, who lost an eye during a beating by his mother. He didn't turn out so well, it seems. Anyway, any adult who feels as if they need to strike a child needs to have themselves checked; there's something the matter with them.