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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:52 AM
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THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN: Cursed by Oil
Edited on Sun May-09-04 06:47 AM by hadrons
boy, I really think Tommy piss-boy is losing it:

I visited the Japanese cellphone company DoCoMo in Tokyo 10 days ago. A robot made by Honda gave me part of the tour, even bowing in perfect Japanese fashion. My visit there coincided with yet another suicide bomb attack against U.S. forces in Iraq. I could not help thinking: Why are the Japanese making robots into humans, while Muslim suicide squads are making humans into robots?

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The Arab world, alas, has been cursed with oil. For decades, too many Arab countries have opted to drill a sand dune for economic growth rather than drilling their own people — men and women — in order to tap their energy, creativity, intellect and entrepreneurship. Arab countries barely trade with one another, and unlike Korea and Japan, rarely invent or patent anything. But rather than looking inward, assessing their development deficits, absorbing the best in modern knowledge that their money can buy and then trying to beat the West at its own game, the Arab world in too many cases has cut itself off, blamed the enduring Palestine conflict or colonialism for delaying reform, or found dignity in Pyrrhic victories like Falluja.

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As I said, the Bush team has made a mess in Iraq. And I know that Abu Ghraib will be a lasting stain on the Pentagon leadership. But here's what else I know from visiting Iraq: There were a million acts of kindness, generosity and good will also extended by individual U.S. soldiers this past year — acts motivated purely by a desire to give Iraqis the best chance they've ever had at decent government and a better future. There are plenty of Iraqis and Arabs who know that.

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But you know what? Despite everything, we still have a chance to produce a decent outcome in Iraq, if we get our eye back on the ball. Of course, if we do fail, that will be our tragedy. But for the Arabs, it will be a huge lost opportunity — one that will only postpone their future another decade. Too bad so few of them have the courage to stand up and say that. I guess it must be another one of those "Zionist" plots.

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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 06:21 AM
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1. Hey Tommy..... Is this the "KINDNESS" you're talking about?
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 06:37 AM
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4. That's my response too
We kill and mutilitate their children and these depraved liars and apologists and propagandists keep telling the public that the Iraqis should love us as liberators.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:39 PM
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12. Why isn't Tommy in Iraq?
If he wants to do the White Man's Burden thing, let him walk the walk instead of talk the talk, get his cheesy fat ass over there and hand him a rifle!
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 06:29 AM
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2. Friedman is the...
... classic imperialist. After months, maybe years, of pleading for the US to wage war against the Iraqis, he considers only that, perhaps, the US troops will prove to all the Iraqis that we are kind, decent and want the best for all.

What Mr. Friedman fails to grasp, utterly, is that we have invaded a foreign country, that we have chosen to subjugate the "heathens" for our own corporate purposes, and that we continue to believe that we are helping these people, when in fact, we are using them for our own economic and political purposes.

Tom Friedman is just another administration-stroking jerk. His views are no more valid than those of Bush. He and Bush are cut of the same cloth.

Sad, sad, sad.

Friedman's an idiot, and half the country praises him.

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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 06:36 AM
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3. That is one of the most idiotic articles...
I have read in a looooong time! Nevermind that OUR own obsession with oil is the BIGGEST part of the problem, no need to mention that.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 06:38 AM
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5. You're dead on with that comment
Damn Muslims...

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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 06:47 AM
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6. Okay - does anybody else think this gibberish is racist as hell?
Notice the smug condescending tone about how the Arab world "does nothing" compared to those industrious Asians. How he implies that it would have been soo better if someone else was in charge of the oil. The Arabs are such children.


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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:45 AM
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7. link here
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 11:25 AM
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8. I replied to Friedman's column with a LTTE
Think the NYT will print this?

It never ceases to amaze me how a columnist as prominent as Thomas L. Friedman can be so utterly clueless. If the Arab world has been cursed by oil, it is not because their reliance on this resource has stifled their development. It is because this strategic resource has attracted foreign powers whose imperial domination has corrupted the Arab world's natural development.

Mr. Friedman believes "we still have a chance to produce a decent outcome in Iraq," but he fails to realize the outcome was always intended first and foremost to serve America's strategic and corporate interests. The current imperialism, cloaked in the rhetoric of freedom and democracy, relies on useful idiots like Friedman to persuade an uninformed public that this war is an extension of our ideals rather than the expansion of our power.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 11:38 AM
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9. Wow - beautiful
I always read the comments first, then if I agree with them or think they are well written I look at the poster. I often find I am looking at Martin Eden. Thank you for your eloquent, well-reasoned posts.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:29 PM
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10. Thanks
Your praise brought a smile to my face.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:31 PM
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11. Good!
Now I am smiling :)
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:04 PM
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20. they don't call oil the "Devil's Tears" for nothin'
Nicely done.
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jayavarman Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:02 PM
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13. Uh, Oh
Maybe I'm out of my element.

I read it when I got the paper this morning & I thought it was a great article that had several valid points.

I guess I'm a little less "your either with us or against us" than most.

I also thought the one he wrote earlier in the week was good too.

I didn't realize that he as 'the enemy'

The world is filled with shades of grey, folks, just because our leadership is blind to it doesn't mean that we have to have the same problem
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 04:44 PM
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14. The problem with Friedman's valid points ...
... is that they are employed to support an invalid war. Sure, Friedman aptly describes the value of entrepreneurship and the dysfunctionality of Arab society, but the context of his argument is not only wrong, it's dangerous.

He apparently believes that a foreign power (this time the United states) will be able to transform Iraq into a functional democratic society, but the native population is all too aware that every foreign power that has come and gone were there to take, not to give.

He essentially promotes the propaganda that enabled this war in the first place -- that our intentions in invading Iraq are noble and unselfish. The Bush neocons may or may not believe they will transform the Arab world for the benefit of its inhabitants, but the facts are they lied our country into this war and they have no intention of allowing a truly soveriegn Iraq. We are building 14 "enduring" military bases in Iraq, and anyone who thinks we have any intention to withdraw our forces is as delusional as Mr. Friedman. This war is about oil, Israel, and the projection of U.S. military might into this strategic region.

The standard rebuttal is that control of Iraq by U.S. forces is preferable to that of Saddam Hussein and why shouldn't we use our power to secure our strategic interests? But events are proving that the neocons are in way over their heads in terms of understanding the land and the people they are trying to transform, and that our presence in Iraq will be a never-ending source of validation for terrorists and their poisonous world view.

The American public will not indefinitely support a bloody occupation that produces terrorism on a larger scale than the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories. This Iraqi adventure is doomed to failure, in no small measure because it began with lies and hidden agendas. The only question is how many American soldiers and Iraqi civilians will die before the American people decide enough is enough.

Friedman is vilified in this forum because he has helped to enable this misbegotten adventure, and especially because a "liberal" who aids the neocon agenda is among the most loathsome of all political creatures.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 04:47 PM
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19. When did you get so smart and when did you get your first pulitzer?
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:06 PM
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21. that's supposed to be your response?
Pathetic.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:13 PM
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23. that and Friedman tries to be pragmatic on everything.....
He's often wishy-washy and reluctant to truly challenge the status quo on anything. He's consistently advocated the war in Iraq and globalization, yet does little to correct the wrongs. He just finds little "rights" that are meaningless. The guy wrote a column last year about an Arabic "American Idol" that he evidently felt was a sign of great things to come. He comes off as delusional because he ignores that we are building permanent bases in Iraq, we are building bases in the Caspian, and the whole concept of neo-cons is predicated on a warped sense of Wilsonian idealism and American hegemony. Not to mention that somehow, they have decided that Israel's enemies are now all American enemies, regardless of the ramifications. It's a mind-numbingly stupid conviction of what the U.S. foreign policy and the world should be. It all boils down to an endgame for the world's energy resources, but try telling Friedman that. He'll spin it into some goofy optimistic idea.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:20 PM
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24. Oh, Mista Pragmatic!
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:08 PM
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22. What's "grey" about "Give War a Chance" Friedman?
That pile of shit helped slide this noxious war down America's throat - there is no shade of grey here, he's wearing a black hat. Sure, maybe he's got a colorful peacock feather on it to distract, but its still a black hat.

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Leilla Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:24 AM
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15. The article how it was really written:
I visited the Japanese cellphone company DoCoMo in Tokyo 10 days ago. A robot made by Honda gave me part of the tour, even bowing in perfect Japanese fashion. Unfortunately, it didn't quite bow low enough to shine my shoes and call me by my preferred name, 'Memsahib'. Still, I was deeply gratified by the respect this little wind up 'yella fella' was showing me. Too bad we can't apply some of our own technological know-how to programming those disrespectful Muslimoids in a similar, bootlicking manner. Instead, we're forced to resort to torture to get the simplest of commands across to the 1.3 billion non-humans responsible for 9/11; a point I bellowed out to the DoCoMo and Honda execs, who, like all folks who don't speak American, eventually understand when you blast them long enough with ear shattering pigeon English punctuated with a few well-aimed jabs between the eyes. My visit there coincided with yet another suicide bomb attack against U.S. forces in Iraq. After my thirteenth flask of sake, (half of which I lovingly poured into my lap so the slant-eyed little lovebot I hired for the night could lap some up for herself) I could not help thinking in my newly discovered zen frame of mind: Why are the Japanese making robots into humans, while Muslim suicide squads are making humans into robots?

The answer (which came as I was bent over hacking into the tiny porcelain squat toilet several hours later) has to do in part with the interaction between culture and natural resources. It's like this: The oil that was meant for civilized countries like America and semi-civilized ones like Japan and Europe, somehow ended up in the desert where mongrel savage tribes of suicide bombers could dredge it up with their knuckles. Countries such as Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China have relatively few natural resources like oil. As a result, in the modern age, their first instinct is to look inward and recognize they'll never be anything but second class white people, assess their weaknesses (small penises and stunted growth), try to learn as much as they can from foreigners (the proper way to bow and open the door for them) and then beat them at their own game. In order to beat the Westerners, they have even set aside many of their historical animosities (whatever those might be) so they can invest in each other's countries and get all the benefits of earning almost enough to feed the children they would have otherwise tossed into a crocodile- infested river.

The Arab world, alas, has been cursed with our oil. For decades, too many Arab countries have opted to drill a sand dune for economic growth rather than killing their own people —so now we in the West are responsible for keeping their populations down. And rather than applauding us for our ever innovative techniques, they get all bent out of shape over a few, stupid pictures. Arab countries barely trade with one another, and unlike Korea and Japan, rarely invent or patent anything. Some deluded mullahs will try to tell you that their 'civilization' introduced astronomy and mathematics to the backwards West, even when you show them photographic proof that George Washington did, but what do you expect from a bunch of bulging eyed zealouts spreading hate from Mosque Central. But rather than looking inward and realizing their inferiority, assessing their mental development deficits, absorbing the best in modern knowledge that their little camel bladder pouches of money can buy and then trying to beat the West at its own game, the whiney-baby Arab world in too many cases has cut itself off, blamed the enduring Palestine conflict or colonialism for delaying reform, or found dignity in Pyrrhic victories like Falluja. You'd think after Abu Ghraib, they'd give up on the notion of dignity, but nooo, they just keep harping on about something that isn't even in their limited and primitive vocabulary. You'd think they'd be grateful for having a pair of clean underwear to wear over their heads - a courtesy, it should be remembered, denied to them by that insane torturer, Saddam Hussein.

To be sure, there are exceptions. Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain, Dubai, Morocco and Tunisia are all engaged in real experiments with modernization, but the bigger states are really lost. A week ago we were treated again to absurd Saudi allegations that "Zionists" were behind the latest bombing in Saudi Arabia, because, said Saudi officials, "Zionists" clearly benefit from these acts. Of course, it's not absurd for America to blame Iraq for 9/11 despite all the evidence to the contrary, because Americans are never absurd (jab yourself between the eyes and repeat).

The Bush team has made a mess in Iraq, (they should have nuked it from the get-go, or at least annexed it to Israel) but the pathologies of the Arab world have also contributed — and the sheer delight that some Arab media take in seeing Iraq go up in flames. The sheer delight of 'coalition' MP's torturing Iraqi detainees is a whole different thing, so don't even go there. It's time for the Arab world to grow up and behave like civilized American beings — to stop dancing on burning American jeeps and claiming that this is some victory for Islam and leave the dancing to us.

One thing about countries like Singapore, Korea, Taiwan and Japan, they may not have deserts but they sure know the difference between the boot and the whip — between victories that come from educating your population to innovate suitably subservient robots and "victories" that come from a one-night stand by suicidal maniacs like 9/11. Notice how I don't go on about that, unlike some turban wearing fanatics with explosives strapped on to them, who just can't shut up about a big, electric fence in a country they have no claim to, separating them from their livelihoods, and forcing them into poverty and starvation and denying themselves the opportunity to innovate non-explosive, dancing robots. Notice, too, how I love run-on sentences.

As I said, the Bush team has made a mess in Iraq. And I know that Abu Ghraib will be a lasting stain on the Pentagon leadership, easily mopped up with a blusteringly incoherent op-ed piec that not so subtly hints at the inferiority of the Arabs, praises Asians for their cheerfully mindless, apolitical worker-bee tendencies and draws imaginary parallels between Iraq and 9/11. But here's what else I know from visiting Iraq: There were a million acts of kindness, generosity and good will (see pictures) extended by individual U.S. soldiers this past year — acts motivated purely by a desire to give Iraqis the best chance they've ever had at decent government and a better future with or without German Shepherds and sadistic she-male whip-kitten guards wearing rubber gloves. After a few well aimed shocks and dog bites, there are plenty of Iraqis and Arabs who know that.

Yes, we Americans need to look in a mirror and ask why we've become so radioactive, not to mention, fat, poorly dressed and plug-ugly stupid. But the Arabs need to look in a mirror too and see that they have to at least, shave. "They are using our mistakes to avoid their own necessity to change, reform and modernize," says an unnamed source at Abu Ghraib while prodding supine, sobbing inmates splayed out in a pool of their own blood.

But you know what? Despite everything, we still have a chance to produce a decent outcome in Iraq, if we get our eye back on the ball and show them once and for all, who's boss. Of course, if we do fail, it won't be our fault. But for the Arabs, it will be a huge lost opportunity to be almost white people, (like the clever Chinese looking ones over in Jhapanistan) toiling in an American run gulag for another decade. Too bad so few of them have the courage to stand up and say that. I guess it must be another one of those "Zionist" plots.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:59 PM
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16. Reply 13 don't pay attention to some of these posters. I
agree with you. Tom F. is an expert on the Middle East and always has insightful articles. Maybe some folks are jealous. This piece, just like all of his that I have read, is excellent.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:22 PM
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17. LOL!
That's too funny!
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:18 PM
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18. I sure am jealous! I wish I could get paid to be consistently wrong
Then get paid even more to blame people for following my advice!
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:21 PM
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25. don't mistake the same guy who wrote "From Beirut to Jerusalem" with...
the current Tom Friedman who writes pro-war/globalization columns for the NY Times. He has evolved into a wholly different person. His Arabic-Israeli Conflict columns - Tom's only genuine area of expertize - are quite insightful. However, his other stuff is ass kissing fluff. I'm just a beginner columnist and my columns to the run up of the Iraq war were more right than he ever was. Maybe it was luck, but Friedman's been blind to reality for at least two years now. He is incapable of seeing and stating the obvious.
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